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TNET: NIL Era Begins: First Clemson player sponsorships posted
Jul 1, 2021, 7:57 AM
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NIL Era Begins: First Clemson player sponsorships posted
With an Instagram post in the wee hours of morning, the NIL era was kicked off for Clemson's Tigers. Thursday is the first day that deals for student-athletes' name, image and likeness to go through by a new interim NCAA policy. Clemson is following a more specific state of South Carolina bill passe Read Update » |
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Cool! About time
Jul 1, 2021, 8:04 AM
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Many schools have been skirting the rules for years with boosters, which created the rich getting richer.
+ I was always against what happened with Terrell Pryor.
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Re: TNET: NIL Era Begins: First Clemson player sponsorships posted
Jul 1, 2021, 8:14 AM
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This is great. I have no problem with that.
Now, can we get our NCAA Football video game back?!?
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Re: TNET: NIL Era Begins: First Clemson player sponsorships posted
Jul 1, 2021, 8:23 AM
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Can you say Cha-Ching! All kidding aside, the only thing that bother me in his post was the phrase, "Let's get paid ". I hope money doesn't become the driving force for these kids and are mature enough to see the bigger picture down the road. Nothing wrong though in making a few dollars for yourself right now.
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People pay to play video games against "famous" people?***
Jul 1, 2021, 8:32 AM
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Re: People pay to play video games against "famous" people?***
Jul 1, 2021, 9:45 PM
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Yes, they do.
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My Company Will Invest
Jul 1, 2021, 8:49 AM
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I have just created a company called Orange Power( fill in your own name. I really want Travis Shaw to sign with Clemson. I see absolutely nothing to prevent me from offering money to him. Those willing to push the limits( eg: Alabama, Ohio State) will use the NIL to buy recruits!
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Re: My Company Will Invest
Jul 1, 2021, 8:56 AM
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I have just created a company called Orange Power( fill in your own name. I really want Travis Shaw to sign with Clemson. I see absolutely nothing to prevent me from offering money to him. Those willing to push the limits( eg: Alabama, Ohio State) will use the NIL to buy recruits!
Not saying that NIL won't be used as a recruiting tool, but ad contracts can't be tied to going to a certain school by the NCAA rules. So a booster could somehow steer a player with big $$$ to a school, but once the ink dried on that contract, the player could easily use the one-time transfer rule and not void that contract as I understand it.
I tend to think the idea of boosters/companies enticing recruits in NIL with lots of cash is a bit overblown. Some kind of NIL market will likely develop and there might be some of that, but I don't think it will a rampant issue.
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Hope you are right, but
Jul 1, 2021, 9:23 AM
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I highly doubt the SEC sharks will honor the spirit of the "rules", which are very loose BTW.
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Re: Hope you are right, but
Jul 1, 2021, 10:37 PM
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I've just sold all my stock in brown paper bags...
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Re: My Company Will Invest
Jul 1, 2021, 9:39 AM
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I said this last year but you're example of starting a company to pay players needs to be replaced with real local big businesses (example, a regional auto dealership, think multimillionaire owner) who just happens to be huge supporter of respective university.
Well guess what? They start offering deals to high school athletes if they play for said school.
Of course they can't say that directly but they won't have to....
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Re: My Company Will Invest
Jul 1, 2021, 9:48 AM
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Also, it's the absolute Wild West out there now because there are no coherent set of rules or laws in place. No Federal law, some States but with different guidelines, and the NCAA rules are temporary and vague.
So good luck enforcing and prosecuting anyone, except for the most egregious examples.
I'm all for it but call me sceptical that this won't get out of hand quickly.
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The NCAA and its member schools make millions off these kids
Jul 1, 2021, 10:00 AM
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Hundreds of millions, really, and have been doing so for decades. It's only fair they get a cut of the pie.
The only thing I'm worried about is recruiting. The schools still can't do anything, but a head coach plays golf with the richest alum and two months later, a 5* commits. A few weeks into enrolling, the 5* gets a big endorsement deal with said alum's company. Or the alum sets up a deal with a different company.
THAT could kill college football. Not Trenton Simpson being sponsored by some video game matchmaking service I've never heard of. No way his deal is more than four or five figures. I think we'll see a lot of that: underclassmen and not-quite-star-players being sponsored by garbage freemium games and tiny startups you've never heard of selling magnetic wall art, waterproof shoes, fancy underwear and the like. Obviously guys on watch for the Heisman and 1st round draft picks will get big deals from legit, established companies like Nike, Underarmor and Gatorade, but I don't expect there will be tons of those.
Watching this play out will be fascinating.
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Re: The NCAA and its member schools make millions off these kids
Jul 1, 2021, 12:07 PM
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Nobody cared about this until about 20 years ago when the money got big because of cable TV and ESPN and the Internet. Schools have not been making millions of dollars long-term off of these kids. Also, the Supreme Court fundamentally does not understand economics much less the economics of college athletics. There is no market place for 98% of football players. Only 2% will play in the NFL. There is no competitive market place outside of college football for the other 98%.
Furthermore, only football and men’s basketball make money. Clemson is not making millions of dollars off of these athletes. The money generated by the football program and men’s basketball fund all the other sports at Clemson. It pays for the facilities. It pays for the coaches. It pays for the chefs and the medical staff and the trainers and everything else these kids enjoy.
Their scholarships are actually paid for by IPTAY So the athletic department can maximize the money brought in for other sports programs. And if you haven’t noticed the cost of athletics has gone up so much plus Title IX Clemson that Clemson only has about half the sports now compared the 80s. It has had to cut many programs, especially for men.
That expensive stadium for the girls softball team wasn’t free! Football paid for that! Along with donors and other money generated by the athletic department, which again, is primarily football and men’s basketball.
People like you remind me of people that vote for a socialist. They think everything is free. Nothing is free! Most athletic departments are actually losing money. Almost all of them in fact.
The athletic department actually gives between $3 and $5 million per year to the University. Because typically the university doesn’t make money directly off the athletic department. But it does benefit greatly from the free marketing of a successful athletic program.
10 years from now most small schools will likely be playing in a division lower because they won’t be able to compete. Tens of thousands of women and minorities will no longer be getting scholarships to bring them and their families out of poverty and give them opportunities because many schools will have nothing left except football, basketball, and maybe baseball, but not much else.
Just like with Socialism, most people don’t have a clue about economics. And they certainly don’t understand the economics Of college athletics. Again, nothing is free!
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Re: The NCAA and its member schools make millions off these kids
Jul 1, 2021, 12:19 PM
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What do the schools paying for other sports have to do with any of this? The schools aren't the ones that will be paying the players so I don't see how any of that stuff matters. This is simply allowing the players to be able to market themselves. I don't see what it matters that 98% of the athletes won't be able to make money from this, and don't think that was ever the point to begin with. That's no different IMO from how only a small percentage of pro athletes get paid to be in commercials.
Will people abuse these rules? Of course they will, but I think we can all agree those same people have already been abusing the existing rules to begin with. I'm a big concerned about how this may impact recruiting in the future as well, but I think it's also silly to tell athletes they aren't allowed to market themselves because some people will cheat.
You're also right in that college football programs help fund other sports on campus, but it's also hard to argue against them making millions whenever the top coaches are now starting to earn $10 million per year. Dabo and Saban are only the first two to make that, but you can be certain more top coaches will enter that same bracket very shortly. I don't have a problem with them earning that money, and I'm happy for them, but it definitely flies against the argument of there not being enough money to go around, or this all being about amatuer athletics.
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Re: The NCAA and its member schools make millions off these kids
Jul 1, 2021, 10:49 PM
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It has everything to do with this because it’s about the so-called players being exploited, which is nonsense and BS, and football didn’t help pay for all of this stuff it does pay for all of this other stuff. If it wasn’t for football and men’s basketball we would basically be a division to school and athletics. Football and men’s basketball pay for everything else! There is no free market economy. This is a monopoly. Division two division three and NAIA do not compete against division one. But local restaurants compete against national chains and fast food restaurants. That is a free market. You clearly don’t understand economics.
And again Danny Ford never made close to $1 million. This is a new thing only in the last 20 years. And college football players come and go. There are 15 to 20 walk on‘s on every team. 98% of the players will never play another down a football after college. But these coaches are the ones that drive the engine. The coaches deserve that money because it’s supply and demand. Players come and go every day. With the exception of a handful of elite players, the Deshaun Watson‘s and Trevor Lawrence, it’s a team sport. It’s the collective. And I agree they should get more, but unless you were more than about 45 years old and saw white players and white college football was like in the 70s and 80s you have nothing to compare it to. You have no contacts. Ask people on this board that were in high school and college in the 70s and 80s. Ask guys that played sports at Clemson in the 70s and 80s what they think about what these kids get today. They get 100 times more and practice 50% less. Go watch the movie from ESPN called “The Junction Boys” Which was bear Bryant at Texas A&M in the 50s. That was abuse! But there was no money back then and kids were tougher and they would walk on and play for free. But even I, as a radical libertarian and capitalist pig, can’t see that what happened back then was abuse!
These kids today are pampered beyond belief and treated like kings. They will never have to worry about a job as long as they keep their nose clean. They have amazing opportunities that other students will never get. And again, only 2% of them were ever play professional football. These rules of being designed for the 2% which is going to ruin it for not only all the other football players but all the other sports take your scholarship the girls in minorities.
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Jul 2, 2021, 10:26 AM
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The Supreme Court doesn’t make decisions on what’s best
Jul 1, 2021, 9:45 PM
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for the sport. They make decisions about applying our laws. Whether or not this is good economically or is good for the majority of players doesn’t factor in at all. It’s about pure legality. You really should learn what the Supreme Court does.
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Re: The Supreme Court doesn’t make decisions on what’s best
Jul 1, 2021, 10:55 PM
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I know exactly what the Supreme Court does. But they make rulings off of factual information. In this case they got the factual information wrong. They are comparing college athletics to the free market place. Call Jeff Lennox or a monopoly broken up into the visions. If college athletics were a free market place there would be no divisions. The smaller schools would compete against the bigger schools regardless of budget and scholarships. Mom and pop restaurants compete with McDonald’s. That’s the free market place. 98% of these kids are never gonna play football again after college because there is no free market for them. Only professional football primarily the NFL. Cavanaugh was completely wrong because he doesn’t understand economics and he doesn’t understand how college athletics work as an economic system.
And I hate to break it to you but the Supreme Court has become extremely political. Even progressive constitutional scholars thought that Obama care would be ruled illegal by the Supreme Court. The swing vote was Chief Justice Roberts, who was supposed to be a conservative and was appointed by Bush 43, but he has turned out to be more of a liberal. What the Supreme Court did in that situation was actually unconstitutional and illegal. They do not get to write the law. The legislature rights laws and the supreme court determines whether those laws are legal and constitutional or unconstitutional. Rather than throw Obamacare back to the legislature, Which would have killed Obama care because the car legislature had changed radically while that case was waiting to go to court, so Roberts instead rewrote the Obama care law. They rewrote the law and then passed it and said it was constitutional. That is unbelievable and it blew the minds of even the most progressive constitutional scholars. It was a blatant unconstitutional act an activist overreach by the Supreme Court. What they did was illegal and unconstitutional. And Robert said he did it send it to court would not appear to be political. When actually it was 100% motivated by politics!
That is not the only time they have done that. More and more recently Roberts has voted with the liberals and done things that legal scholars are shaking their head over repeatedly. The Supreme Court has become activist and political. You are the one that doesn’t understand what’s going on. I understand exactly how it’s supposed to work. But that’s not what they are doing. They have become political. They are legislating from the bench, which is unconstitutional!
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I didn't realize the entire Supreme Court was socialist
Jul 1, 2021, 10:39 PM
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You learn something new every day.
Seriously though,
The Supreme Court decision and NIL are the exact opposite of socialism. Instead of suppressing reality and forcing an unnatural outcome, they both allow the free market to dictate where the money flows. This is what capitalism is all about.
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You couldn't be more off topic with this incoherent response
Jul 2, 2021, 12:06 AM
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I was taken aback at how egregiously irrelevant your post was to what I said.
Before I say anything else, stop forcefully inserting politics into literally everything you do. You didn't even do it right lol. People like you really make me understand how crap like QAnon becomes a thing, when y'all think you see political messages in your alphabet soup and take to the internet. NOTHING I said should have been taken in a political manner. NOTHING. May God have mercy on your soul for thinking that it should have been.
Good Lord above, so much of what you said has nothing to do with my post. I talked about NIL; you wrote paragraph after paragraph about scholarships. Guess what? The NIL thing won't affect how much money the NCAA makes, the school makes, or the scholarship pool that comes from NCAA revenue. These companies will still sponsor the NCAA and the schools, and TV revenue will still make them rich. Therefore no, schools won't be demoted to lower divisions and non-football and basketball sports won't evaporate in droves, because NIL has nothing to do with that.
I also understand the NCAA's economic structure just fine, thanks. I said they make hundreds of millions off the kids, and that was wrong, sorry. It was actually $1.1B after the 2019 season. OBVIOUSLY a lot of that goes back into the schools and expenses; that's not my point. I spoke in favor of NIL because it was still the kids that generated those nine figures, regardless of where the money goes, so punishing them for making $10 on a t-shirt sale is simply laughable. I'm glad that won't happen anymore. The deserve it for the dedication they show to honing skills for an extremely profitable and high-demand entertainment service.
The bulk of my post concerned recruiting, which you never mentioned once lol. Figures. You people incorrectly think you see something political and fly off the handle with your angry little rants, relevancy be d*mned. It is just so, so easy to see how you got your coot-level pulse.
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Re: TNET: NIL Era Begins: First Clemson player sponsorships posted
Jul 1, 2021, 11:02 AM
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I'm confused...I've C&P this from David Hood's article
...Student-athletes cannot profit from use of their NIL in
situations where they have no legal right to demand such
compensation (i.e. when the athlete’s school trademarked logos
are used.)
Am I Wrong? So, what Fred Davis has posted violates this rule, right? He's using his NIL with trademarked school name and logos? I know this will be a trial and error experience with all involved esp the athletes. I'm thankful CU has the resources to help the athletes. I also know this happened pretty fast and I'm sure the NCAA like any large business is busy writing more concrete rules. Get what you can while you can ladies and gents because the big business will always win.
This is like winning a little battle for the athletes but a bigger war is brewing. GO TIGER$!
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Re: TNET: NIL Era Begins: First Clemson player sponsorships posted
Jul 1, 2021, 11:46 AM
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FWIW it does say NCAA approved ad. I hope that is true. Hopefully the compliance office is giving counsel on this stuff
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Re: TNET: NIL Era Begins: First Clemson player sponsorships posted
Jul 1, 2021, 12:22 PM
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I could be wrong, but I take that to mean that let's say ESPN runs an ad to hype up the upcoming Clemson vs. Georgia game, and during that ad they show highlights which includes a Clemson player catching a touchdown pass. I think it's stating that player can't demand payment from ESPN for using him in the ad.
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Serious questions
Jul 1, 2021, 1:23 PM
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Good for the players, but ...
Jul 1, 2021, 9:20 PM
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... it’s day 1 and I’m concerned that the attention given to making some short-term $$$ is going to hinder some players’ long-term goals, like working hard on their grades and sport craft.
Hopefully Dabo creates a “course” to help the players prioritize this endeavor, learn how to build a legitimate business, and get advice and truly understand the risks and traps ... as well as the rewards... of this law.
Since this is summer time and the players have some free time on their hands, then no problem ... what happens when there are not enough hours in the day to go to class, study, train, travel, REST, and plan their income?
Which item will be negatively impacted the most? Time management is key!!
we’ve got Great young men at Clemson, so I know they’ll be ok in the long run, but the road may be a little bumpy in the short run. Will the practice of starting off social media during the season still hold up?
Go Tigers! Do you due diligence with this. ??
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Wow, ain't it absolutely amazing that they got all that done
Jul 1, 2021, 9:40 PM
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since midnight last night? Signed with agents, who then negotiated these contracts, all in less than 8 hours? Let's sign those agents up for Congress, and maybe something will get done!
All: Be sure to check the batteries in your SARC-O-METERS before hitting reply.
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Re: Wow, ain't it absolutely amazing that they got all that done
Jul 1, 2021, 11:07 PM
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Lol
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