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TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 7, 2022, 6:24 PM
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Everyone sees it... but Dabo***
Nov 7, 2022, 6:28 PM
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If that clown orvolsky says start Klubnick..
Nov 7, 2022, 7:47 PM
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I say it's Hunter Johnson's job for the rest of the year. Kma if you disagree. That guy isn't qualified to offer suggestions in a McDonald's drive though.
Not hating ck2 just making a point about that idiot.
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Bless your heart!
Nov 7, 2022, 11:09 PM
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He’s not the only one seeing and seeing this. It’s obvious!
Starting Hunter Johnson would be the definition of insanity. You start cade because he’s the future. You give him the reps the rest of the year to get ready for next year. Because DJ is gone and even if he’s not we would be stupid to start him next year. He’s not getting the job done. This is Dabo being stubborn and wanting to prove the media wrong. This is Dabo thinking he has all the answers. This is Dabo being arrogant.
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Re: Bless your heart! Think it through.
Nov 8, 2022, 12:01 AM
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The only reason to start C.Klubnik is to give him experience.
The outcome from starting Klubnik for the final 5 games is us to lose 2, win 1, and the other 2 being toss-up games.
The outcome from DJU starting the final 5 games is for us to win 3 final regular season games; toss-up for ACC Championship; and toss-up in the (highly rated / prestigious) bowl.
Is it worthwhile to end the season with a 'reasonable maybe' of 13-1 as the outcome from DJU at QB?
..... or .....
Is giving C.Klubnik the opportunity to get on-the-fly training as starting QB in exchange for a 'reasonably likely' 10 - 4 record?
Too much downside and not enough upside for C.Klubnik to take over at QB this season.
(After Spring practice 2023, if C.K. wins the QB job, then Dabo will gladly have C.K. as our starting QB for the 2023 opener.)
(Game / predictions break-down):
Louisville's defense is pretty good; despite a broken finger on his LEFT hand Malik Cunningham is still good enough to drive their offense to a few scores. If Klubnik starts and plays the entire game (with the objective of giving him experience to kick-start next year), Louisville beats us in a low scoring game. Clemson loses with C.K. We win if DJU starts.
Miami, we beat them if you or I play QB for Clemson. Miami is Gosh-Awful. Clemson wins with C.K. or DJU.
S.Carolina. They could beat us if Klubnik still hasn't learned to make the mental adjustment to the speed of the college game. (Right now, he reminds me more of Will Proctor than of Deshaun Watson.) Clemson as toss-up vs. S.Carolina with C.K. at QB. We beat S.Carolina handily with DJU at QB.
UNC in ACC Championship. They kill us if C.K. is our QB. We win if DJU is our QB.
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Bowl game:
Finish the season with C.K. as QB, then we're in a lower tier bowl against a mid-major opponent.
Let's say Coastal Carolina in the Duke's Mayonnaise Bowl in Charlotte. Maybe C.K. has learned enough about football (taking advantage of the long pre-bowl break) so that we compete against CC.
Clemson toss-up vs. Coastal Carolina or similar mid-major program bowl opponent.
Finish the season with DJU at QB, then we are in one of the high profile / prestigious bowls against a big time opponent. I.e., opponent such as: B1G #3 such as Illinois, Penn State, or maybe Michigan drops down that far; SEC number 4 [i.e., Tennessee / Mississippi / Kentucky / Alabama]; Big 12 runner up [Texas / K.State / Baylor].
Clemson is toss-up vs. Mississippi or other prestigious bowl game opponent.
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Your odds are skewed way too far towards
Nov 8, 2022, 7:38 AM
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Pre-Syracuse DJ. That guy has left, and using your methodology, we would be 7-2 right now without Cade.
Not saying Cade is guaranteed to come in and set the world on fire the rest of the season, but it’s an absolute coin toss right now as to who would have the better record at seasons end as the starter.
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Re: Your odds are skewed way too far towards
Nov 8, 2022, 8:27 AM
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I tend to agree with both these posts. Imo (water under the bridge) it started game 1 with not getting cade in for more series. Not garbage snaps, but a couple series in a row. So, going forward, start dj but give cade a couple series in the first half. Key - don't let either one play scared. = play calling.
End of last season we went to 3 personnel? 2 personnel, I get confused but whichever one, it was discussed after the bowl ad nauseum that we hoped Streeter would build off that with the installation. Seems we abandoned that. That's OK but seems certain teams and certain situations, we could use it. Last Saturday being prime example.
Either way, I'm just perplexed that now 9 games in, we still don't seem to have any offensive identity. In addition, keep Randall on the field and let him develop. Maybe time to move past ngata. I still maintain as poor a decision as cade made on int, ngata didn't help him.
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So much speculation…
Nov 8, 2022, 8:55 AM
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I have to give a big disagreement to your argument. DJ is terrible. Period. Cade has the chance to be special. Sure, DJ did too. However, the college game is too fast for him. He can’t process the defense and make quick decisions. Elite defenses make him look like a deer in headlights. Enough is enough. Even if Cade goes winless, he gains experience. DJ cannot win at this level against elite talent. Period. End of discussion. Dabo has to see the writing in the wall. Any CEO would have made a change.
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Re: Bless your heart!
Nov 8, 2022, 9:49 AM
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Case has shown a tendency for bad decisions at the worst times. To me, I have to say this guy urging replacing DJU with Case at this point is foolish, or stupid.
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He’s only been put in games at the worst times.
Nov 8, 2022, 11:57 AM
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And given some craptastic play calls to execute while ice cold as well. No one knows what his gameday normal is right now because he hasn’t been given a chance to show it. We do know that he’s pulled one game out of the toilet that DJ would have lost.
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Re: If that clown orvolsky says start Klubnick..
Nov 8, 2022, 2:44 AM
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Well, that could be a serviceable choice that would give Cade more time to strengthen his body bc, a true dual threat QB do get beat up a lot during a season!!!
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Re: Everyone sees it... but Dabo***
Nov 8, 2022, 2:40 AM
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Dabo sees it, but Dabo's loyalty to his players goes so deep that it becomes a fault. He will come around, but not until he makes peace with himself of having to bring down one of his players when he was left no other choice, bc every opportunity had been exhausted!!!
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He did it to KB
Nov 8, 2022, 10:02 AM
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And He needs to do it now.
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Start whatever QB you want….still doesn’t fix the problems.***
Nov 7, 2022, 6:58 PM
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No. But
Nov 7, 2022, 11:11 PM
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Cade has more natural talent, he’s a better fit physically and his background for our offense.
DJ is done. He’s gone anyway. Why keep playing a guy that’s not gonna make you better. Play Cade and let him get all the mistakes out this year, let him take his lumps, and be ready for next year.
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Re: I'm not listening to a guy that is known for this...
Nov 7, 2022, 7:26 PM
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He was actually kinder to us than most. Have heard the bla bla bla (not worthy, overated, told you so) since Sunday, especially today. From Fartbum to Klatt or whoever, etc. Dabo is loyal, in this case to a fault. True, it wouldn’t fix all of our problems but it would fix one.
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To be fair, he is smart, and a very good analyst.
Nov 7, 2022, 8:47 PM
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I think he nails it with his take, and he's been really complimentary of Clemson over the last few years. Yes, he had one boneheaded play but he made the most of his talent and played in the NFL for a number of years.
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Where are the DJ fanboys now
Nov 7, 2022, 7:02 PM
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Everyone knows this Cali 5 star is a bust
How much money was wasted recruiting #5 & #80? Plane trips, meals, perks, etc....
New leaders must step up
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Re: Where are the DJ fanboys now
Nov 7, 2022, 7:27 PM
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Cade has been so much better. Not sure why we start DJ. We could have a qb who throws under 50% completions and has more ints than TDs.
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Re: Where are the DJ fanboys now
Nov 7, 2022, 8:53 PM
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Correct. Cade did get the job done against Syracuse, but he does look like a freshman and is not settled in the pocket.
Not sure we can do much with either to get the offense going this season. Cade does have better wheels though. I have lost all faith in Streeter based on this years body of work. It pains me to say this like it did with TE. It is more or less more of the same.
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Re: Where are the DJ fanboys now
Nov 8, 2022, 6:50 AM
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I agree with poster above with analyst above of 13-1 chance is higher with DJ than CK. Cade isn’t polished, still plays like a freshman, and not ready. Now that we have a loss, I don’t care if Cade starts next week… but they wouldn’t have been 8-0 if he started earlier. I’ve been adamant that DJU is not the big offensive issue… it’s the OC. Play calling has been terrible.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 7, 2022, 7:38 PM
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And who is this sEcepn guy? Oh someone that was QB on a lousy college team and played in the NFL. But that doesn’t make him an expert to pipe up to tell Dabo what he should do.
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Lol. “What does an NFL QB know about this quarterbackin stuff anyway?”***
Nov 8, 2022, 7:41 AM
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Bare minimum
Nov 7, 2022, 7:45 PM
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Dabo needs to rotate CK in an early possession or 2.
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id rather eat 1 or two more losses with cade starting
Nov 7, 2022, 7:48 PM
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getting experience for next year than keep goign with dj who is not going to get any better than what we had seen earlier on the season..that was his ceiling as a starter
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 7, 2022, 7:49 PM
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Time to replace both coordinators. Let's finish up the season and see how things go. Then fire Streeter and Goodwin. Call Scott Frost and judge his interest in coming to Clemson. Also give a call to Chad Morris and Jeff Scott to see if they wanna be co-offensive coordinators. But make them throw away every bubble screen. We need get back to a fast paced offense to where we tire out the other defense. Then I'd wait and see what Texas A&M is gonna do with Jimbo. See if he wants to be the new defensive coordinator or call Manny Diaz and see if he's interested. All I know is we need a big change.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 7, 2022, 8:18 PM
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I do not think that this will happen. Dabo will not bench DJ I don’t believe. He has had to many previous chances and has yet to pull the trigger. I hope that it works out the way he has it planned but I also hope that he does allows the new kid his chance to shine. Perhaps the ND game will be an awakening for this team. There are too many good players wearing Orange to be performing as they are right now. I’m really anxious to see the team that shows up Saturday after the ND performance. I’ll be in my regular seat down at the goal line cheering the Tigers on. I hope that many of you join me. It’s military appreciation day and a chance for the veterans to be on the field. If you are a military man you need to become a part of the program to help the school.Clemson was once a leader in supplying the armed forces with officers but that has dropped in recent years so ROTC scholarships need to be increased. Support this team. Let’s make the tv “experts” eat their words. Five or six ,ore games to go. Let’s win them all.
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Stop the TL comparison
Nov 7, 2022, 9:35 PM
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Trevor was a legit generational talent with a guy in front of him that couldn’t throw a forward pass. As bad as DJ has been Klubnik must not be as ready as fans believe. I would hope Dabo’s loyalty is only a tie breaker in an even competition and nothing more. No way in hell is he not playing who he believes gives him the best chance to win. I can confidently say that Cade Klubnik is not the second coming of Trevor Lawrence.
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Stop the TL comparison
Nov 7, 2022, 9:35 PM
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Trevor was a legit generational talent with a guy in front of him that couldn’t throw a forward pass. As bad as DJ has been Klubnik must not be as ready as fans believe. I would hope Dabo’s loyalty is only a tie breaker in an even competition and nothing more. No way in hell is he not playing who he believes gives him the best chance to win. I can confidently say that Cade Klubnik is not the second coming of Trevor Lawrence.
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Re: Stop the TL comparison
Nov 8, 2022, 9:17 AM
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I bet you were one of the KB cheerleaders when we all were screaming “Put in TL!” I can confidently say that Cade plays better than DJ. Based on what I have seen in games. All of this knowing Cade has had limited practice with the ones. Knowing Cade has very little game experience. DJ can’t make the routine, EASY throws. Just make the layups. Cade made every layup against Syracuse and had a couple of slam dunks. He was on a short leash and didn’t have the whole playbook either. DJ frequently makes the wrong reads on zone runs, pass protection, and progressions. How many time have you seen a receiver flash open and DJ is scared to pull the trigger? How many 50/50 balls has DJ thrown in game?! Very few. Cade has and some were completed or earned a PI call.
The next GLARING issue is defensive coordinator. I was screaming that we should hire Dan Lanning, Will Muschamp (ugh, he is a good d coordinator), Marcus Freeman, or any defensive coordinator with experience and a pedigree. This was before some of those guys became head coaches. Some unknown analyst should have never been given the job. He makes no adjustments and makes an elite defense look pedestrian. I was screaming we should pursue Joe Brady or some big name coordinator who has been setting the world on fire. Streeter has been better than Elliot. Maybe call Jeff Scott and bring back the magic he made with Lawrence as a freshman.
I’m tire of arguing this point. DJ will lose two more. Regardless, I will be tailgating in Lot 5 and numbing the pain with scotch. Spending time with friends, family, and my Tiger family. Yes, we’re all family. We’re going to disagree from time to time. The one thing that makes us special is everyone is family in the Valley on GameDay. I always bring extra food from the smoking pig to feed anyone who wants some! That said, Go Tigers!
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Stop the TL comparison
Nov 7, 2022, 9:35 PM
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Trevor was a legit generational talent with a guy in front of him that couldn’t throw a forward pass. As bad as DJ has been Klubnik must not be as ready as fans believe. I would hope Dabo’s loyalty is only a tie breaker in an even competition and nothing more. No way in hell is he not playing who he believes gives him the best chance to win. I can confidently say that Cade Klubnik is not the second coming of Trevor Lawrence.
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Re: Stop the TL comparison
Nov 8, 2022, 2:49 AM
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Actually, there is no QB that has played at Clemson for the past umpteen years that compares with TL16 IMHO!!!
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DW was and is a better QB.***
Nov 8, 2022, 7:43 AM
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REPEAT the TL comparison
Nov 8, 2022, 10:36 AM
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Kelly Bryant couldn't throw a forward pass?
Neither can DJU.
Kelly Bryant could scramble and extend plays.
DJ lumbers through the backfield until he falls over.
No one knew how great TL would be. ESPN told us the same about DJU as they did about TL.
Now. Two years later. It's obvious that DJ is a bust. Cade "may" not be ready but DJ 100% "is NOT" ready.
Make the change....
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 7, 2022, 9:52 PM
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In short, we’ve got too much talent based on our recruiting to be embarrassed like that. And on top of that, we’re barely beating ACC teams that probably average 25th or worse in recruiting rankings and we’re consistently in the top ten. There’s a math problem here and it’s the coordinators on both sides of the ball. It’s not personal, it’s business.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 7, 2022, 11:34 PM
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Totally agree. It’s not the talent, it is the coordinators.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 8, 2022, 5:04 PM
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Teams with far lesser offensive talent are running up scores every week. Clemson has been struggling to contain some of these 1* and 2* loaded teams. The reality is Clemson is running a very outdated scheme that right now has no strength except waiting for a home run by Shipley.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 8, 2022, 12:22 AM
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Orlovsky is absolutely correct. What you expect is growth in the performance of anyone in any line of work. How many highly touted players don't make it in the NFL after boffo careers in college. DJ has not even done that. Imagine being the fifth rated within the ACC in any statistic after almost two full seasons as the starter on the team leading the league.
Dabo stands by his people, but the true measure of any great leader is flexibility combined with fairness. He has the fairness part nailed down, and wants to stand by his man. What he increasingly is showing is insufficient flexibility. DJ, with the two seasons he has had, could easily decide to stay for one more year to give himself a chance for enhanced status in the NFL draft, and especially with a QB heavy class coming out this year. What is Cade supposed to do, and what does hanging with DJ telegraph to other top players in high school who wonder where they will be on the depth chart if they come to Clemson.
The truth is Dabo has little to lose. The season is over, a meaningless bowl game in the offing following a championship game that means little to recruits who know the ACC is a less than powerful league, so why not give Cade some seasoning. If DJ wants to start, he can always use the portal and go elsewhere.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 8, 2022, 2:51 AM
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The team is at a crossroads without question. Changes are needed. We need a new starting QB and possibly a new OC. I would say a new OC, DC, and QB.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 8, 2022, 6:38 AM
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Playing Cade because he can run the rest option better is a good reason. Playing him to get experience is another. Saying he has played better than DJ this year is stupid. He came in and attempted 4 passes against Cuse. He had one good drive against Tech in garbage time where he looked really sharp.
He has the ability to play better than DJ is playing now, but we dont really know. Dabo should give him the chance to find out.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 8, 2022, 6:56 AM
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That's it. Cade hasn't had enough work to get comfortable. He didn't get many snaps against Furman or La Tech, when they should have had him playing more. It said something about how much DJU under-performs that he was staying in those games because he needed the reps.
Cade should get most of the snaps against Louisville and Miami. We should win both of those home games and we are already in the ACC Championship game which means we are already playing for a shot to go to the Orange Bowl.
With two full games under his belt, we should have a good idea as to whether Cade or DJU should start against USC and (presumably) UNC.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 8, 2022, 8:06 AM
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Do not be fooled by this article. Dan Orlovsky does not work for ESPN. He works for eSECpn.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 8, 2022, 10:08 AM
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Im in full agreement.
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Re: TNET: ESPN analyst says Clemson has to make QB change, program at "little of a crossroads"
Nov 8, 2022, 10:13 AM
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Why not just commit to a 2-QB system the rest of the year and take it game by game? Give one a couple of series and then alternate. Make in-game adjustments based on which one is playing better if you need to. We don't have a lot to lose now, but we do need to get CK ready for next year, and getting him some meaningful first-team reps and experience now means he doesn't have to start out behind the learning curve next year.
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