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TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions
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TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 9:33 AM

 
David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 9:37 AM

And that is it. It was a reckless play and he was way out of control. Not intentionally trying to hurt anyone but also not thinking and it hurt his team. He was ejected and that’s that. Move along. Nothing more to see here.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 10:02 AM

+1. I’m sure we’ve all done things in the heat and speed of the moment that we wish we hadn’t. IMO, admirable show of maturity from this young man to acknowledge.

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Whatever choice(s) you make makes you. Choose wisely.


Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 10:43 AM

Inertia. Totally agree. Nothing to see.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 10:14 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions ]

I completely disagree.

I appreciate the fact that he apologized and that he wished the Duke player well, but it was absolutely intentional.

He may not have been intentionally trying to hurt the Duke player, but he intentionally made a football play on a basketball court.

Undercutting the guy in the air and running through his legs was absolutely on purpose.

I don't buy the "I was going to fast to stop" garbage. He is an elite athlete who had half the court to make his decision when it only takes a small fraction of a second to veer off and avoid the contact. I've even seen guys get too close on a play like that and pull up and try to catch the opposing player to soften the landing. He finished the hit completely.

He should be suspended for some games for that type of play.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 10:39 AM

I always respect your opinion and follow your posts but we'll have to agree to disagree on this one. If you go frame by frame, you can see there's no malicious attempt to hurt him.

It's simply an unfortunate play by two atheletes playing ball. It happens. It's called accidents. Had it been anything other, Collins wouldn't have slammed into the base padding.

And disagree he should be suspended. The guy from unc didn't get suspended by doing similar to Collins.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 11:02 AM

What more would he have had to do for you to consider it a "malicious intent"? Throw an elbow to the back of his head?

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 11:06 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions ]

It appears that we won't agree on this. Thank you for your respectful reply and your kinds words.

In fairness to your comment, I went back and watched the play again multiple times from multiple angles and came away feeling worse about what Collins did.

Collins is an elite athlete. He has more control of his body than most people would imagine. He is a high level college athlete in part due to his ability to stop on a dime, control the balance and positioning of his body even when moving at full speed or while in the air, and he often makes those movements look so easy that people don't even notice the amount of control that he has. In my opinion, the slightest lack of intent prevents the play from ending up like that.

As I mentioned, it takes the smallest fraction of a second to abandon the attempt to affect the shot and avoid that awful collision. In slow motion, rather than pulling away he seems to lean in with his shoulder at contact.

When I watched again before this reply, I now feel that he accelerated into the contact because he was quite far away from the Duke play when the Duke player left the ground. This is where things get much worse for me.

Again I am not saying that he wanted to hurt the player because I don't know exactly what was going through his mind at that moment, but he absolutely wanted to hit him as hard as possible when contact was made and never made the slightest attempt to do anything else.

In contrast to your feeling, I think the fall by Collins further displays intent to run through him because it looks all too similar to watching a defensive back hit a leaping WR in the body and the impact is enough to knock them both to the ground.

Because the impact was high on Collins body, it threw off his balance and caused him to lose his footing which led to his fall.

What I saw when I watched again:

When the Duke player prepared his feet to jump, Collins was still completely out of the play. At that point he had no chance to block the shot or make a play on the ball. It was at that point that Collins seems to accelerate, with no intent to jump with the Duke player and with no hand/arm motion toward trying to swipe the ball, and creates contact with the airborn Duke player.

If Collins had jumped with him, the play would be much safer. If contact had been made with the body as Collins swiped toward the ball, then I can see a defense that it was a basketball play that resulted in a hard foul.

I see what Collins did as something that cannot be defended. That is the most dangerous way to choose to take out frustration or anger on a basketball court. In all honesty, I would have preferred if Collins had punched the Duke player in the face because it would have been much safer for both players and would have led to the same ejection for Collins.

What he did was worse than a punch, because it could have caused a much more severe injury to the Duke player (as well as to Collins with his fall). I consider the Duke player very fortunate that he doesn't have any broken bones or a very severe concussion.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 11:56 AM

I will agree to disagree with you on this too. I played and refereed a lot of basketball and I see the play unfolding exactly as Collins described and I’ll take him at his word. I don’t believe there was any malicious intent but I do think he got himself into a position he couldn’t get out of because he was out of control. None of us can know what he was thinking but I’ve been in that position and seen similar things happen many times with guys that I know didn’t intend to get in that position but it still happened.

I thought it was interesting that you said “ I am not saying that he wanted to hurt the player because I don't know exactly what was going through his mind at that moment, but he absolutely wanted to hit him as hard as possible when contact was made and never made the slightest attempt to do anything else.”

The two parts of your statement seem to contradict each other. Not sure how you can know he absolutely wanted to hit him as hard as possible if you don’t know what was going through his mind. Since I don’t know what he was thinking either I’m going to take him at his word and believe his explanation.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 12:35 PM

I appreciate the response.

In regards to my statement about not knowing his thoughts but knowing that he tried to hit him:

His actions of speeding up (creating more energy for his contact) once the Duke player was already leaving the ground, not making a play for the ball in any way and throwing his shoulder into the Duke player display that he had every intention to deliver hard contact. Therefore I feel confident judging his intent to make hard contact.

What I don't know is whether he was thinking "I want to hurt this guy" (I seriously doubt it was anything close to that) or if he was simply very angry with himself and possibly the game and made a terrible decision to take a cheap shot with no further thought into what could result from the play.

I think the second option is the most likely closest to where his mind was at the time and I agree that many athletes have that mindset from time to time.

The difference is that he followed through with an extremely dangerous decision based on his frustration and often players frustration leads to something much less dangerous for the target of the frustration.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 15, 2022, 8:44 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions ]

After all that explanation, you cannot pretend to know what is in someone else’s heart or their intentions in any action. You can assume based on the evidence. But, that’s as much as you can do. I tend to believe the source who was penitent immediately after the play and remains so since.

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I'm sure everyone has done things when theyve been


Feb 15, 2022, 8:50 AM

angry/frustrated and then immediately regretted their actions. Unfortunately, that doesn't excuse the behavior.

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Disagree there. Anyone that played basketball at even


Feb 11, 2022, 11:59 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions ]

the HS level knows that getting undercut like that is about the scariest thing that can happen on a basketball court. And everyone that plays understands what happens when you do it.

He got his pocket picked, lost his cool, and intentionally made an extremely reckless play. I understand that he was seeing red and not thinking clearly, but it was still a choice he made and was in no way accidental. He could ve pulled up at the end, or he could've jumped to make the contact up high which is much less dangerous. Instead he tried to tackle him and he's lucky he didn't cause a serious injury.

Hopefully he can work on keeping his cool in the future.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 11:07 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions ]

Suspension for 1 game not some games. That would be enough to make the point.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 11:22 AM

I said "some" in the general sense because I am not in a position to choose the number of games and I am not invested enough in basketball to know if there is a precedent set for this type of play.

In my opinion that suspension should be equal to that of a player who starts a fight on the court, because in any sport I have ever played that is exactly what would happen after a play of that nature.

I do commend both teams and coaching staffs for being able to keep the players under control after that happened.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 9:10 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions ]

If you really appreciate the fact he apologized, why the but…? Why can’t you just leave it at that? What good is any of your post after you stated “I appreciate the fact he apologized”. I don’t mean to sound disrespectful but what exactly do we have to accomplish here? Collins made a mistake and he apologized to Duke at the game and apologized on here to all of us. I accept his apology and I’m not in a position to read his mind or even care to speculate. I’m sorry it happened and he said he is too. The ACC has disciplined him. I accept that. Go Tigers. Beat ND!

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It looks even worse from that angle.


Feb 11, 2022, 10:03 AM

It sure seemed intentional. Good thing he apologized because that was awful.

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 12:21 PM

I have no doubt that Collins did not want to injure Moore or himself but both could have happened. Collins had no chance to block the shot and his really bad decision hurt the team.

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Re: Without a doubt


Feb 11, 2022, 12:30 PM

a dirty flagrant on purpose attempt to punish a player after getting his pocket picked. Although that would be a good play in football. Can he play football on grass?

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Everyone mad about one unintentional


Feb 11, 2022, 12:36 PM

Flagrant by a Tiger

When Coach Rat Face churns our dirty plates like butter from an Amish church.

SKA RUE Him and Duke into the ground

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Re: TNET: David Collins apologizes for flagrant foul against Duke, explains his actions


Feb 11, 2022, 2:15 PM

I don’t buy Collins explanation of his stupid dangerous foul. He obviously went right after him. From the replays I’ve seen he had no intention of jumping.
If Brad doesn’t sit him for a few games he is spineless.
To say otherwise is ignorant.

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