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TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 11:35 AM
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Honestly, they both make good points especially about the QB
Nov 2, 2022, 11:45 AM
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performances to this point. It'll work out by both teams winning.
Fun to be thought of as Blue Bloods!
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They do. But why is it Clemson v. TCU discussion?
Nov 2, 2022, 1:24 PM
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I'd be hammering on the fact that 1-loss Alabama is ahead of TCU. Bama hasn't beaten a team currently ranked in the Top 25, and they have a loss. TCU doesn't need to worry about Clemson. They need to worry about being ranked behind the 3rd best team in the SEC. If you want to look for "blue blood bias" look there.
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Oculus Spirit [76919]
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That would be going against the machine though.
Nov 2, 2022, 2:11 PM
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Attacking Clemson is a safe argument for these idiots.
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Re: That would be going against the machine though.
Nov 2, 2022, 8:21 PM
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The machine about which you speak is broken. It's supposed to be fair and honest. Somehow, that's a lot like Elvis. Fairness and honesty have left the building.
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Re: Michigan’s SOR is 7 and SOS is 79.
Nov 4, 2022, 12:54 PM
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They don't need to. They weren't complaining about Clemson being ahead of anyone except TCU. So, if you put TCU in at 4, you slide us, Michigan and Bama down one, you don't have to mention the other teams that don't really matter to the argument.
Honestly, they have a point. I think we're better than TCU; but, I can see there are points to be made to counter that position.
...and who really cares if we are fifth at this point with two teams that still have to play each other above us?
Just win...for us and for TCU. An undefeated Big-12 champ gets in. Trick is, no one has earned the champ bonus, yet...even if they fans have baked it into our heads already.
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They don't HAVE to, except it would bolster the idea that
Nov 4, 2022, 1:14 PM
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they are advocating FOR TCU, instead of bashing Clemson, which they were.
Heck, if SOR and SOS should put TCU above Clemson...why not ahead of #3 UGA? Their SOS is 75 and their SOR is 5, worse than Clemson and TCU. Yet they are ahead of both.
As usual, there is a perfectly sensible argument to be made for TCU being ahead of several schools. And they could make that argument without singling out and bashing Clemson. But that's not the goal.
And yes, I'm hoping that both Clemson and TCU go undefeated so that we have four conferences represented.
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Re: They do. But why is it Clemson v. TCU discussion?
Nov 2, 2022, 8:22 PM
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That/those teams are in the "right" conference. How sad this all is with espn having so much voice.
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The one thing that character has to understand: there
Nov 2, 2022, 11:47 AM
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is no "we" with the rankings.
The Committee discussed and ranked teams, as they saw fit. And I doubt any of the Committee gives a particular dammmmmmn about Klatt's opinions nor anyone else's, for that matter.
(It is particularly nice to be 75, and not give one whit about calling out some of those punk-assssed morons, calling themselves analysts.)
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Re: The one thing that character has to understand: there
Nov 2, 2022, 8:25 PM
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They should have jobs at a Dr's office doing stool samples. I'd bet they would be able to impart some real wisdom there.
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 11:49 AM
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I would say the defenses that Clemson plays against (FSU, NC State, Syracuse, soon to be Notre Dame as well) are better than ANY defense TCU has played yet.
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 12:23 PM
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Technically Kansas State is ranked higher than any of them in scoring defense
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sounds like Klatt admits a lot of Bias - proud to be Biased
Nov 2, 2022, 11:59 AM
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but doesn't want to talk about all the Bias - Just Clemson and TCU
if Clemson had played the same schedule as Bama with same result we would maybe be ranked 9 or 10
Shut up KLATT
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the two main things I got from that article.......
Nov 2, 2022, 12:01 PM
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1...… we are FINALLY considered a "Blue Blood" and more importantly....
2.....Klatt is sooooo buthert and jelly about little ole Clemson!
GOOOOOOO TIGERS!!!!!
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Re: the two main things I got from that article.......
Nov 2, 2022, 1:45 PM
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Pls stop with the little Ole Clemson mess ....
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Re: the two main things I got from that article.......
Nov 3, 2022, 8:21 AM
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why? is not Clemson one of the smaller schools from a smaller state? I'd say that we've been fighting above our weight class for a long time.
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 12:02 PM
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Interesting they talk about bias and don't even mention Alabama with a loss ahead of TCU. Clemson won 2 NCs, not 1. Also failed to mention Clemson's been to the CFP almost every year in its existence.
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this guy has a clear bias against clemson
Nov 2, 2022, 12:07 PM
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hes honing in soley on clemson..when tcu has a better resume than bama, mich and uga as well but he ignores them... also
“If Oklahoma or Texas, from the Big 12, had the exact same schedule and resume and outcome as TCU, they'd be no worse than No. 4,”
if oklahoma or texas both had our same resume he would be arguing they should be ranked number one.
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Re: this guy has a clear bias against clemson
Nov 2, 2022, 12:50 PM
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We say it a lot, but it falls on deaf ears 99% of the time, but it's true that most analyst have a bias against Clemson of the college FB world. Every year we've been listed as one of the top 4 teams in the country, there has always been someone arguing that we don't belong. We belong bc we have earned our title as a Blue Blood, we have won 10 games a few times, and 11+ games a year a lot times with our 10 and over wins starting in 2011 through 2021 along with playing in 5 playoff games, and winning it all in 2 of the 4 NCGs we've played in, and who ever don't like it, they can suck it, and suck it all!!!
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/228/season/2021
I bet Clap mouth Klatt hasn't ever bothered to look at our record from 2011 to 2021, Clemson has one of the best win/loss records in college FB, comparing to only Bama's!!!!
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Re: this guy has a clear bias against clemson
Nov 3, 2022, 1:09 PM
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Who exactly argued we didn't belong in the top 4 in 2015, 2016, 2018 or 2019? Heck, even in 2017 I don't recall anyone saying we weren't one of the top 4 teams in the country.
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I mean…..
Nov 2, 2022, 12:19 PM
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Clemson put in the work to get to “bias”. They don’t have to like it, but that is a fact….period. Brand matters…… I do like TCU….hopefully they go undefeated and get in.
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Thanks Captain Obvious ... Brand bias also explains
Nov 2, 2022, 12:21 PM
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Bama and LSU's rankings too.
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TCU's best wins notes
Nov 2, 2022, 12:22 PM
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Kansas St: Lost to Tulane
OK St: Lost 48-0 to KSU
OU: Lost 49-0 to Texas
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And TCU beat K-State after QB1 Martinez went down early Q1.
Nov 2, 2022, 1:06 PM
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I'd imagine that the committee discounted TCU's win over KSU. I doubt that TCU wins that game if Adrian Martinez hadn't gone down early (1st series) in the first quarter.
Similarly (but opposite), although NCSU's ranking sank after they lost their starting-QB (Devin Leary) to injury, but Clemson beat a full-strength, Leary-led NCSU.
The committee is allowed to consider injuries. I suspect that they did.
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 12:24 PM
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I actually don’t disagree with the points, but it’s not a knock on Clemson to me as much as it is a point that TCU should be a few spots higher (which I agree with). Put them at 5.
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IF Wake had won the OT game with Clemson (and then of course
Nov 2, 2022, 12:28 PM
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NOT laid an egg against Louisville) - would they be #4 now? They'd probably have a similar SOS as The Tigers. I'll bet the would not be Top 4 - because they are Wake Forest.
That said - He's also failing to acknowledge blue blood bias with the other schools.
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It’s more of a bias against a conference that has
Nov 2, 2022, 12:36 PM
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yet to show up in the playoffs. Can’t say that I blame the committee. Big 12 is who we know they are.
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Yet somehow the press considers the Big 12 a “gauntlet”
Nov 2, 2022, 1:40 PM
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and the ACC a cupcake league
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He says that about TCU and all, but if we were to play each
Nov 2, 2022, 12:36 PM
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other this season, just like Greg McElroy who echoed the same thoughts prior to the selections, he would bet on us to win it. He would also likely pick Alabama to win a game vs TCU were they to play each other. It's just talk and noise at this point from the professional talking noisemakers.
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Joel Klatt is a Clemson hating crybaby.....***
Nov 2, 2022, 12:44 PM
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Yes. He’s as bad as Neuheisel. Rick had picked
Nov 2, 2022, 12:48 PM
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us to lose at least four games including ND. If he picked WF, it would be five.
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Dear Joel Klatt: Clemson has 3 National Championships
Nov 2, 2022, 12:54 PM
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....on display, not one.
TCU has ZERO defense. They have also had to come from behind and eke out games against bad teams. They have TWO wins against current top 25 teams.
Sorry Joel, Clemson has earned their ranking and so has TCU. Alabama is the "blue blood" that got the benefit of the doubt by being ranked ahead of TCU at #6 with a loss and zero top 25 wins.
Dummy.
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BLAH BLAH BLAH
Nov 2, 2022, 12:58 PM
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??
Just WIN TIGERS!!!
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Wow Klatt called us a blue blood***
Nov 2, 2022, 1:05 PM
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 1:26 PM
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Not so long ago they doubted our ranking because the Tigers were an upstart program with no serious history (supposedly).
Now they doubt our ranking because we are suddenly a "blue blood" program.
SMH. Whatcha gonna do?
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 2:06 PM
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Klatt needs to compare the TCU defense with the Clemson defense.
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So, the ESPN #### ysts want to compare SOS and SOR
Nov 2, 2022, 2:41 PM
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Ok.. And compare previous QB’s to current ones. We’ll give you that. However, the two factors not being considered are the Head Coaches! Dabo Swinney, the head cook and chief bottle washer, has shown the ability to wash all the dishes clean enroute to 2 National Championships (1 loss in ‘16). Besides the ability to win two Natty’s is the CULTURE! Call it Blue Blood all you want but these two factors play a huge role in
identifying, ranking and projecting who are the best dishwasher’s in the country! Experience and record matter!
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 4:16 PM
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I give a twit about what Klatt has to say with his bias against Clemson. The bigger issue is why is TCU behind Bama.
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What an ironic turnabout. For years, we are considered the
Nov 2, 2022, 6:27 PM
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redneck hillbilly interloper at the table, but now, suddenly, when if fits their narrative, we are a BLUEBLOOD! Break out the PBR and celebrate, guys and gals!
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Re: What an ironic turnabout. For years, we are considered the
Nov 2, 2022, 7:10 PM
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Pbr....? How about a case of md2020? How about we get a blue...blood next weekend instead of orange / white?
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 7:48 PM
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Is Blue Blood Bias sort of like systemic racism?
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 7:50 PM
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Is Blue Blood Bias sort of like systemic racism?
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 8:16 PM
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Funny! They don't mind the prejudice when it's SEC bias, but when it's somebody else, it's a problem. They can suck on some lemons, as far as I'm concerned. They have about as much credibility as a coot fan, and coot fans just jump on the band wagon of any sec team flavor of the moment, from the conference they got into by default), that is being pushed. Wouldn't it be nice if there were zero conference affiliation with networks, and certainly not with certain conferences owned by said particular network.
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 8:23 PM
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Maybe instead of looking at it as Blue Bloods, it should be considered that certain programs have shown the ability to be successful with different groups of players. That consistent success means that the coaches and support staff are more experienced and give an edge all other things being equal, which the SOR and SOS virtually are. Just keep winning and we'll see how well we belong.
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 2, 2022, 10:56 PM
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Joel Klatt has never liked Clemson, so I expect nothing less than his biased opinion. Pffffttttt!!!
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 3, 2022, 7:40 AM
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Lackluster (can't play a full game) Clemson = peak TCU
therefore, Clemson has far more CFP potential
please quit the amateur hour with the TNet journalism
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UcheaT is at #1 and he's talking about the committee's...
Nov 3, 2022, 8:02 AM
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blueblood bias?
Please. UT hasn't sniffed even a division championship game in nearly two and a half decades. Their last NCG was in the last century. They gave up half a c-note at home in front of 101K hillbillies.
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Appreciate the compliment but we prefer ORANGE BLOOD***
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Isn’t it great that we are now being referred to as a blue…
Nov 3, 2022, 12:57 PM
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…blood? I think it’s awesome, and so happy to see what Dabo has accomplished!
Clemson being a blue blood is what many of us dreamed of since 1981. I’ll gladly take the hits that come along with it.
Just win baby!
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Re: TNET: CFB analyst: ‘Blue blood bias' works for Clemson, against TCU in CFP rankings
Nov 3, 2022, 6:12 PM
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Klatt's ### has been sore since Clemson beat Colorado in their bowl game years ago. Screw his bias views. Fallica is a DA who reads stats off his computer--- he is clueless.
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