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TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:00 PM
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:04 PM
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Are Bates and Hall leaving? We don’t have any DL commits now, right? That seems odd for a team with such a strong history of putting defensive linemen in the league. It’s either coaches leaving, NIL, or this extra year for players that’s throwing this off.
Go Tigers!
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This will possibly be...
Dec 9, 2021, 1:33 PM
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...the worst recruitment class in a LONG time and could set the program back for God knows how long! I'm just sick!
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Re: This will possibly be...
Dec 9, 2021, 7:01 PM
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This was a week recruiting class when it came to numbers and just getting worse. Even worse is we don't have sheet lined up as potential signees except Williams. Will be taking a lot of 3rd and 4th choices, usually reserved for the teams we laugh about
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Re: This will possibly be...
Dec 13, 2021, 8:03 AM
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This class was planned to be a “teens class size-wise “from the getgo. Don’t panic. Mostly you got 3 guys from IMG that bailed. Just a panic attack. If they don’t want Clemson as a home, good luck to them. We’ll be fine. After all, I rather have Dabo handling the current situation, and he will skillfully, than any other college coach in America. He’s a blessing to us.
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Re: This will possibly be...
Dec 9, 2021, 9:02 PM
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Could be worse, could be LSU… 
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Crap, and more on the way if Reed does leave.***
Dec 9, 2021, 1:05 PM
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Re: Crap, and more on the way if Reed does leave.***
Dec 9, 2021, 1:06 PM
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If Reed leaves and we lose this CB class that will be very sad. We have plenty of talent to play next year, but we saw the impact of attrition this year and was hoping we wouldn’t have to go through that again.
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good thing there is a portal***
Dec 9, 2021, 8:23 PM
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Re: Crap, and more on the way if Reed does leave.***
Dec 9, 2021, 1:06 PM
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If Reed leaves and we lose this CB class that will be very sad. We have plenty of talent to play next year, but we saw the impact of attrition this year and was hoping we wouldn’t have to go through that again.
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Re: Crap, and more on the way if Reed does leave.***
Dec 9, 2021, 1:22 PM
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I'm more worried about losing players on this current roster to Transfer Portal. I mean just think if Breese or Murphy or Carter or Simpson or all? Oh Know We will suck again!!
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Re: Crap, and more on the way if Reed does leave.***
Dec 9, 2021, 1:25 PM
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I actually say this ^^ to say if they stay at CU and stay healthy and do real well, then we can show everybody including recruits we are Defense U even without BV.
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Yea, we've always been well above average on defense.
Dec 9, 2021, 1:50 PM
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ands thats going back as long as I can remember. Even our 3-8 team in 98 had like 5 or 6 NFL players on that side of the ball. We may not look exactly the same, but can generate comparable results as it relates to us wining games. There is so much noise with social media and couple that with emotional kids, things can go the other way pretty quick.
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Re: Yea, we've always been well above average on defense.
Dec 9, 2021, 2:32 PM
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Sorry but our number of defensive players in the NFL has not been a large number for years. Coach V knew how to adapt a defense to his players and was able to produce winning defenses. We have not always had the most talent but we had the coaches that knew what to do with the players.
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Not sure what you're apologizing for...?
Dec 9, 2021, 7:58 PM
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Im not talking about players in the NFL...referring to the fact that we have always had solid defenses at Clemson, yes BV's units were excellent year in and year out but not always foolproof.
Our success on the defensive side of the ball didn't leave for good.
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Re: Reed is leaving?***
Dec 9, 2021, 1:32 PM
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No, I think this is just message board speculation over him potentially being Venables’ DC or following Tony. Nobody knows right now. Dabo will sort it all out, and this will indeed be the most interesting football season yet (2022, that is).
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It's going to be rocky. Try not to freak out.
Dec 9, 2021, 1:06 PM
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We have been spoiled. Let Dabo handle it.
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Re: It's going to be rocky. Try not to freak out.
Dec 9, 2021, 3:01 PM
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Dabo had us at 14 commitments going into December before the floor fell out while everyone around us is sitting at 20-24. I’m not terribly optimistic about recovering from that
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He had 12 in his first class. Not worried. Chill.***
Dec 10, 2021, 11:12 AM
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:07 PM
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:09 PM
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Geez didn’t know Radakovich meant that much to him
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:17 PM
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Name a DC does this change?
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It certainly couldn't make it worse, in his case.
Dec 9, 2021, 1:19 PM
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Much better chance to save the relationship with a live body in the DC job talking to him.
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Re: It certainly couldn't make it worse, in his case.
Dec 9, 2021, 1:33 PM
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I was hoping that 4 days after BV being officially gone that we would have already named a DC and would have been out securing our commitments... :/
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:20 PM
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Name a DC does this change?
I think name a PROVEN D coordinator and it might. Money is on the line right out the gate for kids now why would they take a chance on a no name DC.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:28 PM
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Probably if it's the right one. Perhaps someone like Bama or UGA coordinator. I seriously doubt you can go inside or they'd stayed. I posted in @dhood article a few days ago that CBV was coming after Reed and our class. It's a FB battle and the lovefest gloves need to come off.
I was laughed at. Tre Williams, God Bless him tried his best to keep Jihad and Sabb in house. I believe it's another player too. Guess the Dabo/CBV recruit trip last week is paying dividends for Oklahoma and Mich.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:50 PM
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If you want to get a Down vote or laughed at just tell Tnets the truth.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 5:51 PM
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Maybe the most toxic sports forum I've seen out there. Which is a shame, as I expect better from Clemson fans.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 4:28 PM
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Right, plus, who wouldn’t rather have Dabo for a boss than Nick Satan. And geographically and culture wise, I’d take Clemson over Tuskerloser any day.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 5:55 PM
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Personally, I'd choose Nick. Very few elite coordinators want to stay a coordinator. They want head-coaching gigs. You tolerate a year or two with Saban, and you go to coach an elite program. Venables had to prove year after year that he was the best defensive coordinator in football to get a worthwhile offer. Elliott, probably for good reason, still hasn't gotten one. Scott had to leave for South Florida.
Saban's coaching tree includes Dantonio, Bobby Williams, Jimbo, Muskrat, Derek Dooley, Kiffin, Pruitt, Smart, and Sark. They all got premier coaching gigs. You can't argue with Saban's track record.
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Your data is tainted…
Dec 10, 2021, 4:36 AM
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A few points…
Venables and Elliott could’ve taken a gig before now - Dabo does a better job of keeping coordinators because he’s tolerable.
Nick Satan likes to pick the best coordinators. His formula is to take guys proven to be phenomenal coordinators that have fallen flat as head coaches (Peter principle). This includes Kiffin, Sark, and now O’Brien. This is just pure genius IMO. We should try to do the same.
Also, Satan does not keep guys at coordinator he shouldn’t just because of past accomplishments and because they are good Christian family guys and friends. He operates in true best is standard fashion.
Just my opinion. Can’t really compare the two situations as apples to apples.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:28 PM
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Probably if it's the right one. Perhaps someone like Bama or UGA coordinator. I seriously doubt you can go inside or they'd stayed. I posted in @dhood article a few days ago that CBV was coming after Reed and our class. It's a FB battle and the lovefest gloves need to come off.
I was laughed at. Tre Williams, God Bless him tried his best to keep Jihad and Sabb in house. I believe it's another player too. Guess the Dabo/CBV recruit trip last week is paying dividends for Oklahoma and Mich.
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I dont have a problem with BV taking Reed...
Dec 9, 2021, 1:59 PM
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if its an offer for the DC positon too....thats an upgrade for him, certainly so if Dabo doesn't offer the same. BV taking recruits is another thing. I dont think that is going to happen. If a kid like Campbell wanted to play only for BV then so be it. I have no problem with the kid switching to OU...same with the kid form Kansas. But, if BV actively pursued kids then thats a different deal...but I dont see that happening. I could be wrong though.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:22 PM
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This class will probably be one one of the worst classes in 20 years. It was already sketchy. Clemson football is definitely at a crossroads.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 2:15 PM
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You haven’t been a Clemson fan if you believe this is the worst class in 20 years..
That negativity feeds on itself, & our recruits who are committed now see crap like this from fans And they believe it.
We all need to be speaking with faith & confidence, every rumor & fear feeds seeds that will grow into our program.
This is a time where Dabo & Clemson needs fans to help by feeding the mojo or momentum with faith in the program & our coaches to overcome.
We are in good hands & Dabo has great plans to make Clemson better than ever but your help & support will make a difference.
Go Tigers! The best is yet to come!
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 5:57 PM
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It's cute you think high school and college kids are searching this forum and judging the fanbase when deciding where to go.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 7:05 PM
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Exactly. Kids are on Tik Tok and Instagram dude, not some message board that looks like it was last updated in 2005.
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Ughhh.***
Dec 9, 2021, 1:22 PM
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:25 PM
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Whatever. Strange way to show his “love”…
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:34 PM
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What’s funny about this is that five or six days ago he posted a picture that had three padlocks, a tiger, and 4L (for life) in it. That’s a little flaky…
And the other picture of him and Sabb in their Clemson uniforms holding a New Jersey license plate that said “All In”…
I guess those Jersey ####€rs are All Out…
We be aight.
GO TIGERS
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:41 PM
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Because they committed to a coach…not a program…
For anyone who thinks these boys won’t follow BV to OU is giving him way too much credit. At the end of the day he’s a coach and he’s got a job to do…the poaching will not stop…Clemson is just going to have to weather the storm as much as possible.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:37 PM
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I say good riddance. If a player is having 2nd thoughts then he doesn't sound like a good prospect anyway.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:47 PM
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Yeah I mean what 17-year-old changes his mind? he’s obviously a thug and not a good fit
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 4:56 PM
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The Clemson culture will survive. Dabo will see to that. Look the sky is not falling! This isnt Dabo's 1st rodeo. If someone decommits then Clemson isnt really the place for them. Dabo is still in charge! Things will get worked out
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 5:58 PM
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Good, denial is an important first stage to grief.
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No one should be surprised by this....
Dec 9, 2021, 1:38 PM
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... it happens
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He’ll regret it
Dec 9, 2021, 1:43 PM
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Garnteed
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 1:44 PM
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Did Alabama lose commits when their co-ordinators left? IDK, i don't follow them close enough. I doubt it though.
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Bye***
Dec 9, 2021, 1:49 PM
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*for my family and me***
Dec 9, 2021, 1:50 PM
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 2:01 PM
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We will be lucky to finish in the Top 20 recruiting this year. Dabo or no one will be able to save this class. I see Everette leaving next. There are also rumors that Kanak is thinking of leaving because he was a BV fan. This recruiting class will be filled with 3 stars and a few 4/5 stars. We will finish 4th or 5th in the ACC alone. Let this sink in, UNC will have the #1 recruiting class in the ACC. Lets hope we do not lose current players too. We need to announce a DC immediately and it needs to be a big name.
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So much for selling these fine young men on being part of the Clemson culture.
Dec 9, 2021, 2:06 PM
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At the end of the day, for elite recruits it’s ultimately about playing for coaches you like at a school that you believe gives you the best chance to play in the NFL. Period.
Don’t get me wrong, other things such as the family culture matter (and I’m very glad we have it). This is in no way disparaging that wonderful aspect of our program. But these decommitments are a prime example of how that is lower down the priority list for many recruits.
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Re: So much for selling these fine young men on being part of the Clemson culture.
Dec 9, 2021, 2:46 PM
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Judge, you are exactly right. Unless a fan has been a player, he does have any idea who many hours and how much hard work football players put into a season. Regardless of what recruits say, they are playing for their coach, not the school. A college President or Alumni Association President does give a pre-game speech, a coach does and when a player develops a relationship with a coach, it is traumatic when that coach leaves.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 2:19 PM
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Thanks for being a great fan & feeding that positivity into the fan base, exactly the perfect thing to do when your team faces challenges....lol
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 2:56 PM
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I have been a Clemson fan since the 8th grade in the 80's. As a matter of fact, Im from Louisiana and currently live in Arkansas. Try being a Clemson fan when all your good friends are LSU fans and see how that goes for you. I am a realist. If you think we will compete with 3 stars then good luck. While, I may have never played football, I did go to Southeastern La Univ on a Baseball scholarship. Im frustrated because we cannot afford to lose so many good players when there is so few left to get. Something needs to happen fast! So thanks for your input!!!
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 2:09 PM
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Dabo is going to have to hurry up and make some decisions on coaches. This whole process even with TE is just dragging A$$, the stability needs to be set soon. Only good thing with recruiting is we still have til FEB to get some guys since this is still just the early signing period next week.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 2:51 PM
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Seriously? Neither Dabo nor Clemson has anything to do with Tony Elliott's situation. It is his life and the future of his family is in his hands and he has every right to make sure he has enough information to make that decision.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 2:11 PM
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This class is in a heap of trouble
Dec 9, 2021, 2:18 PM
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It’s going to create a talent drop off no doubt
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Re: This class is in a heap of trouble
Dec 9, 2021, 2:20 PM
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gosh we are doomed. we will be down to coot level before you know it. smfh. do you goobers have any clue how moronic you sound
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Re: This class is in a heap of trouble
Dec 9, 2021, 2:23 PM
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Have to agree with deroberts here, why even follow Clemson if you can’t lift your team up when they need you most...
Words have power to create & destroy when it’s what people believe.
One of the Greatest things that lead to our run was we where United in believing our team would win & get better, we had vision!
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Re: This class is in a heap of trouble
Dec 9, 2021, 4:13 PM
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Honestly acting like nothing is wrong and using the word “goober” isn’t helping anyone’s sanity. Like all the people that your type called coots said….he needs to stop with all this and bring in a big name to get the recruits excited. Mickey Conn or the other guy doesn’t seem to be working. Couple that with the reluctance to use the portal so far, things look scary right now. But keep pretending big guy!
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 2:20 PM
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The most pressing issue for Dabo will be whether he wants to construct a new senior staff from the inside or outside. Inside is comfortable, but when you are trying to maintain a BCS eligible team, filling the top staff positions with lesser knowns is a high risk approach. That is why Nick Saban often goes outside to get his OCs and DCs. Venables became famous here and lingered. That is not how it normally goes. Now he's gone, and the hemorrhaging of future talent has begun. Does an avalanche of de-commits await? Too soon to tell.
We now see what a luxury it was to have a staff that was both stable and famous. When OCs and DCs are "hot", they are ambitious and won't hang around for long. That does not seem to be the Dabo way, but it is almost impossible to have staff fame and staff stability simultaneously, and therein lies Dabo's conundrum.
If Dabo stays with what is comfortable, Clemson will be drawn farther and more permanently back in the ACC pack.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 2:27 PM
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Looks like we can take IMG players off our radar. I truly hope Dabo has other prospects out there but the clock is ticking down to next Wednesday.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 2:33 PM
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I'm trying to stay optimistic. But, it feels like the wheels are falling off.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 3:16 PM
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I optimisticly predict we win the natty next year and everyone who doubted what’s “in those hills” will eat crow.
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+1 for positivity!
Dec 9, 2021, 8:47 PM
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Keith Moon predicted he would be the world's all-time best drummer.
He ran over and killed his personal driver. He hired help to break the knuckles of mates who slept with his (ex) wife. He lived on amphetamines and brandy. He drove his Lincolns and Caddies into hotel lobbies and swimming pools. He routinely blew up his hotel rooms.
Pretty typical behavior for some of our more out-of-control T-Netters in times of duress.
But Moon was an excellent drummer.
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who? Never heard of her.***
Dec 9, 2021, 3:18 PM
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Please go and take your other posers with you. We want real people who'll grow up to be good men.
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This ain't good at all.***
Dec 9, 2021, 3:48 PM
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 3:50 PM
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When you lose a CBV you have to expect to shifting around - especially with the ME-generation we are now dealing with, the Portal, NIL, and on and on. We just need to establish our new equilibrium and move forward with a less-than-our-standard year and recruiting class. We are strong enough to get past this but I am a little surprised at how slowly Dabo is responding. He has always had a Plan B and quickly replaced anyone who left and has appeared to have know what he would do before they even left - something I have always admired him greatly for. Things have never changed this quickly across the board so we need to get a staff in place and show stability so we can pick up players for everyone we lost. Remember we aren't the only school changing coaches so everyone should be fair game at this point!
We've got tons of spots now for recruits and to open up the Portal - it does work both ways you know Dabo!
Get what we can for early signing, win bowl game with new staff, regular signing period and Portal in spring - we have a boatload of talent, just need to plug some holes and we'll be fine.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 4:35 PM
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If a kid will bolt at this point, knowing nothing but Coach V is gone, honestly we didnt need him around here anyway. It takes more willpower to succeed at this level than he just displayed. Having said that, who really knows why he decomitted- Next Man Up.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 6:07 PM
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You're an idiot. You clearly possess no knowledge of the real-world.
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I didn't realize
Dec 9, 2021, 5:51 PM
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There were so many wimps on T Net. ### people need to stay calm.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 8:12 PM
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No worries,with a name like Jihaad?Is he a holy Muslim warriors or what?I've always felt IMG Academy was unfair for a lot of other football players and a bit sketchy.Lots of money and star treatment.THIS IS WHATS WRONG WITH FOOTBALL.Money,the root of all evil.
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Re: TNET: 4-star defender announces Clemson decommitment
Dec 9, 2021, 10:37 PM
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I have to laugh at these guys thanking Clemson for what for turning your back on Clemson.
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