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TNET: Tony Elliott addresses Dixon, play calling and "archaic" offense


Sep 27, 2021, 1:18 PM

 
Tony Elliott addresses Dixon, play calling and "archaic" offense

Tony Elliott sat down with the media Monday afternoon in the Poe Indoor Facility and answered questions about his performance, the play calling, and the overall malaise of the offense. Full Story »


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Sep 27, 2021, 1:24 PM

Did he really just point to UNC who brought back a coach from 30 years ago and is likewise doing poorly?

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:26 PM

So we’re running the same offense as everyone across the country ? Why would do you do the same thing everyone else is doing and expect to win ?

I don’t believe this bullchit coach speak for one bit. Tony is brilliant and spinning the truth.

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:29 PM

Well not the rest of the country as the announcers and other talking heads have pointed out…but UNC who had 63 yds rushing against GT.

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Sep 28, 2021, 4:06 AM

Ah, yes those all knowing announcers who have no accountability for results.

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Sep 27, 2021, 4:34 PM

The offense is not archaic. It's actually one of the more modern schemes in the game. How old or new an offense is does not matter. What matters is does it work with the personnel you have.
We can not run the ball. NO offense will work if you can't run the ball. You don't have to run the ball much, but you have to be able to run the ball.

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Sep 27, 2021, 8:30 PM

Exactly. If you can’t run the ball, and 10 att for 8 yds in the first half isn’t running the ball, nothing else will work.

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Sep 27, 2021, 10:52 PM

No it is similar to the high school offenses. Screens and go routes. We still do not attack the middle of the field find the soft spot in the zone. Use rub routes like the one that won the NC against Bama. I think we need to look at the route trees. Crossing routes, more slants, teach receivers to sit in the open spot in the zone.

NC State had guys open all day in the short game.

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:29 PM

So the takeaway from his comments are, "we run the same plays like everyone else, we just aren't running them as well." Is that our winning formula and the extent of our "creativity"? If Dabo really thinks this guy is brilliant then we have a bigger problem than we thought.

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Sep 27, 2021, 3:03 PM

Exactly.

This reflects poorly on Dabo.

Don't think for even one second that this DOESN'T affect recruiting. Every team out there is now telling recruits that Clemson's run is over. They can't even get their 5-star play makers the ball, so how will they even get their kids into the NFL?

This program isn't too far away from snowballing the wrong direction and Dabo's got his head buried in the sand. Just he thinks he's build up too much emotional bank account and latitude with Clemson for anyone to do something about it.

Hope they can right this ship.

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Sep 27, 2021, 5:58 PM

We can kiss Arch Manning goodbye. His family isn't going to let him near this offense and our coaching.

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We need to forget about Arch Manning…


Sep 27, 2021, 6:48 PM

He was never coming. We do need to worry about the realistic recruits though.

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Sep 27, 2021, 6:55 PM

I agree. Too much history with the SEC.

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UNC is 15th in the country with 507 yards per game.

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:04 PM

They've averaged 474 in three conference games, taking out GA State. They're struggling with not turning the ball over, but certainly not with MOVING it.

We're 121st with 296, and you saw what David said about our numbers less SC State. I'd say he referenced an offense that's getting MUCH better results. How much stock to put into what TE is saying right now is another issue entirely...

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:48 PM

Oh no!! I came here to ask the exact same thing. If you’re going to use a comp why pick UNC? In football?!?!

I have some serious concerns about our ability to materially improve on offense. I get that the coaches are not going to show all their cards in a press conference but this is scary. If they really think we are running the same plays as everyone else around the country and our players’ execution is that poor, who recruited these guys? Who’s coaching these guys? The current coaches didn’t inherit the current players.

Fundamental question here: what does it say about our offensive scheme/system that we need first round NFL talent to execute it well? Off guys like Kiffin and Sarkesian run schemes that plenty of different sets of guys can score with. Their offenses didn’t only score points at Alabama. And I don’t even think those guys are great head coaches. But their offenses have a much larger margin for success to be achieved. More options, easier options, things that plenty of college players can execute.

If Dabo & TE need generational QBs to execute their offense, that is a huge problem. Starting to feel like that’s where we’re at and have been for several years now. People claiming this is the same system that got us to the playoff last year? Any chance we made the playoffs last year in spite of the system, and not because of it?

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^^ THIS!***

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:59 PM



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Saaawing and a miss.


Sep 28, 2021, 12:36 AM

LOL.

Please stop trying to discuss football.

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Sep 27, 2021, 6:45 PM

Tony, if the players are not in the correct place, that is on you.

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Hmm, interesting take.


Sep 28, 2021, 12:41 AM

How is it players were in the right place while finishing in the top 4 for six straight seasons, 6 of 7 playoffs, 4 of 7 national title games, and two national titles?

I guess Tony had a lobotomy over the summer? Or maybe it's that the key player on the field has regressed into a barely functional mess?

The answer is simple. Hint: Tony has not had a lobotomy.

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Sep 27, 2021, 8:17 PM

He was pretty successful with DJ last year. It sucks but we're going to have a down year. Hopefully they turn it around quickly so we have more confidence going into next year.

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DJ completed 67% of his passes last year and executed this offense every bit as good

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Sep 28, 2021, 12:35 AM

as Trevor last year.

Fast forward to 2021 - same offense, same QB.. what's changed?

DJ is completing 46% of his passes and he's obviously not functioning mentally or physically. After throwing for the most yards in Notre Dame history last year, he can't execute simple fundamental plays this year. That's what's different.

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... And it's not like the roster is all 2-star freshmen.


Sep 29, 2021, 1:14 AM

We're one of the worst offenses in FBS with one of the most talented rosters. Other OCs would kill for our 4-star roster. And I think it's fair to say that a brilliant offensive mind, like Sark, would do a heck of a lot better than Elliott with the roster we have.

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:25 PM

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:30 PM

He has no clue. The run was great while it lasted.

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:32 PM

So DJ is a sophomore that’s been in the system for, what, two years now and you are looking to take some off of him. By now you should be able to put more on him.

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:53 PM

LOL, I'm very surprised that he didn't blame the QB problems on the sophomore slump, that we may have accepted!!!

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DJ is a soph AND an early enrollee. Where is 2020 DJ?***


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Sep 27, 2021, 1:35 PM

11 guys are executing what is being given to them and one person is not giving the right info based on the talent you have? I'm sure TE is a knowledgeable person but based on the results so far maybe the pay package needs to be adjusted based on productivity.

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:00 PM

That usually will fix most problems of slackness in all work environments, but I don't think that it would work in college FB bc, those guy know they are making way to much money for what they do!!! And it shows that Tony didn't do anything that could have made his job easier during the off season bc, here he is with the bull shyt that he has been using since The Chad left!!!

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:42 PM

When you have a good OL, you can run basic offenses and make it work. You just run over people in the run game and the QB has all day so defenses have to spend players on blitzes. We are getting owned against 3 DL’s. Let that sink in.

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Yep. That's why Babers uses misdirection with his 2-star OL***


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Sep 27, 2021, 1:45 PM

The next to the last sentence in the answer under the second question says it all. Those calling for TE to be replaced should reread that sentence. Its amazing how comfortable some get when they are used to putting W's in the column and some L's pop up. Ask yourself what has changed over the past few years other than players (when W's were heavy and L's were few)?
For the "simple offense plays" commenters, you have to complete the simple ones before you move to a more complicated scheme.

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Who makes millions to make sure that the players can

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:20 PM

execute the simple ones?

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Sep 27, 2021, 5:19 PM

That's right. If Dabo and TE believe this not playcalling, but youth and execution as the problem...who is in charge of making sure this raw talent is ready? Their high-school coaches? C'mon man. Provide an answer that doesn't blame the players.

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Sep 27, 2021, 6:05 PM

Never mistake brains for a bull market. Sometimes talent covers coaching. Last year we had enough talent to execute above a shaky plan with TL, ETN, and a senior OL. You can't let a playbook stay dormant just because you've had past success. Eventually, the defensive coordinators you play every year begin to figure out how to defend against it.

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:46 PM

In those same words that y'all got from Tony, they are the very same words to the questions that y'all ask 2 or 3 years ago. His answers to the media must be in the same playbook that he's been using since The Chad left, and he has it all memorized!!!!

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:47 PM

Did he really say that they run the same plays as UNC? The same UNC that just lost to GT?

That’s “brilliant” right there.

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:06 PM

It was brilliant really, he was saying that we beat GT playing the same plays that UNC used and lost. Dabo maybe onto something when he said that Tony is brilliant!!!;)

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:48 PM

I see it now. He really is brilliant.

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A Thing We Are Learning

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Sep 27, 2021, 1:50 PM

Tony’s favorite and go to coach speak phrases.

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:00 PM

I believe there are many issues when it comes to the "offensive" lack of performance. I noticed something in particular this weekend I had failed to notice before. DJ5 doesn't sell the plays very well at all. He is almost robotic in his fake to Shipley and throw to the bubble screen. It is as if he is following Arthur Murray's dance lessons (the one with the feet diagrams). His pump fakes are merely a suggestion of a shoulder shrug or possibly a twitch. I'm not saying that he has failed and will never "get it", but much of his success in high school probably was due to his size compared to the others. That and the talent of his teammates. Now that the talent of the guys he goes to battle with is diminished and he is not the biggest fella on the field, he has problems.
I don't want to sound like an armchair qb, God knows there are plenty of those types in here, but DJ has to be willing to help TE help him and selling the play actions, misdirections, RPOs, etc would be a "step" in the right direction.

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:06 PM

As poorly as DJ is doing I wonder why he wasn't even asked about giving TP7 a chance. Seems the media is on autopilot as well. A legit run threat at QB would be helpful considering how dialed into our play calling the defenses have been. The easiest run play we had was the 1st TD when Shipley walked into the end zone. I have to believe that was because the defense was banking on TP7 keeping and running right and the play was handed off to Shipley left.

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:19 PM

Really wanted them to ask about our route tree. That seems to be a common theme I'm reading and hearing from people on Tnet and other analysts. Not so much our plays are archaic, but how we designed and run said plays.

True, everyone in the country is running the same thing, it's called football.

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:24 PM

How healthy is TP though? I know Dabo said he is "ready to go" but is he really?

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Evidently it doesn't matter if TP7 is ready to go

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Sep 27, 2021, 3:02 PM

because Dabo said yesterday that D.J. is our guy.

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Sep 27, 2021, 4:43 PM

Personally, I don’t think TP7 is 100% healthy and they therefore are NOT going to risk his health unless absolutely necessary…..we had Amari Rogers return from serious knee injury in a miraculous short time and now we are saying TP7 is 100% ready to go after an Achilles heel tear? ….who ever returned this quickly after an Achilles heel tear must have a Voodoo doll in the injury tent.

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Depends on the tear. TP's recovery is within normal range.


Sep 29, 2021, 1:37 AM

... for a young athlete. If the doctors say that it has healed, then it's less likely to tear than his other Achilles.

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Sep 27, 2021, 11:01 PM

Dabo’s ready to go means he is about 51%. ??

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One line told me everything I needed to know…

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:06 PM

“Possibly, I can take some of that off his plate and control that a little bit more for him. Those are the things I can do better, just try and limit some of the decisions that he may have to make.”

We have QB who is struggling with his reads and decision making, and it limits what we can do offensively. Do we stay with DJ and further dumb down an already bland offense, or make a QB change until he can fully grasp the offense? Either way we’re in trouble..

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:30 PM

That and saying when the W's were aplenty, not many question it. But actually many have asked, all the way back to DW4.

He kinda answered what many have speculated on here for years. You had 2 generational qbs that could read defenses like the best. So our success really is tied to having a QB that's 1st round NFL ready when they enroll.

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... Jeff Scott may have been our poor-man's Joe Brady.


Sep 29, 2021, 1:42 AM

We mostly out-talented opponents badly last season but the play-calling seemed worse without Jeff Scott. And we couldn't run the ball despite having a 1st-rounder ETN (and the #1-pick QB).

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It doesn't appear that D.J. is being asked to make a lot of

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Sep 27, 2021, 3:05 PM

complex decisions.

Don't get me wrong, a QB has a lot to assess and has to make quick decisions. I'm not minimizing how hard the position is to play. But it's not like we are asking him to make the decisions and plays that Deshaun and Trevor (or even Kelly Bryant) were making.

It's a huge concern if he can't decide whether to hand the ball off or keep it on a RPO play, and if he can't scan the field and find an open receiver and get him the ball. This is big time college football. You're a 5 star recruit, coached by coaches who have won national championships. Something is very wrong here.

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Why can't you just be happy for these players and coaches?***


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Sep 27, 2021, 4:22 PM

loyal as it gets and have been from the age of eight, but what is there for anyone to be happy about right now? I’ve seen plenty of seasons in which a strong Clemson defense carried the offense until they got on track - and I thought that might be the case this season - but no defense can carry the offense for 42 minutes. Our offense can’t stay on the field long enough to give the defense a decent break. I’ll ask again: what is there for anyone to be happy about right now?

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Sep 27, 2021, 3:13 PM

Been wondering that since UGA.

If I'm TP, what more do I have to do to get playing time? If DJ is struggling that badly and I can't seem to see the field, maybe I should transfer? Take a page from some of the other Clemson QBs that have left.

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Maybe waiting for 4th game so DJ doesn't go transfer portal?***


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Sep 27, 2021, 4:47 PM

I think you just hit the nail on the head….I don’t think DJ5 can “process” his reads quick enough at this level…and I cannot explain how he played so well in both games last year. So far, he is clearly not the player he was last year.

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Sep 27, 2021, 4:47 PM

I think you just hit the nail on the head….I don’t think DJ5 can “process” his reads quick enough at this level…and I cannot explain how he played so well in both games last year. So far, he is clearly not the player he was last year.

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Wipe that smile off your face. We’re 2-2

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:15 PM

And you’re leading one of the worst offense’s in the country.

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Sounds like the same b.s. to me


Sep 27, 2021, 2:22 PM

The only way we will know that things are changing for the better are the results on the field meaning much better play calling, effective pass protection, a solid running game and a consistent receiving corp (actually catching the ball and advancing). Currently I don't see that happening...

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:22 PM

I had "out of sync" and "make progress" on my bingo card, now I just need "get into a rhythm" and I'll have bingo!

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This was a Flashback to the Bowden years!

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:39 PM

“10 Guys will do the right thing and 1 does not”, or 9 and 2. Basically, a lot of “Coachspeak” filled with empty Platitudes.

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Sep 27, 2021, 2:55 PM

the whole "10 guys doing the right thing, 1 guy doing the wrong thing" sounds very familiar in the years between '99-and the sixth game of the '08 season. we need to stop hiring any and every body that plays and graduates from clemson. what credentials do spiller, boyd and grisham have as coaches? seems our program went from a football factory to a football family. i get it,.. dabo wants the good feelin', lovin', family oriented program.. and, it worked for a while, but what WOULDN'T work when you have d. watson and t. lawrence as your qb in the acc? i think, offensively, talent (that's no longer here) made up for the lack of coaching... well, that talent is gone, and so is our offense.

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Sep 28, 2021, 2:15 AM

I don't have an issue with Spiller. He should be fine for what he's asked to do, recruit high level backs and help them play to their potential. Our running backs look pretty good (don't ask me where Mafah is). But everyone else on offense is trash.

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Sep 27, 2021, 3:00 PM

Auburn just fired their wide receiver coach after 4 games and promoted an analyst to take his place. Ohio State demoted their DC after 1 or 2 games, but sine we are around 120 in national offense, we are good to go with the same plan and people.

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Sep 27, 2021, 6:30 PM

Can't you read? We're just 1 or 2 plays away ;)

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What’s next, a lip quiver?***


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Sep 27, 2021, 3:03 PM

Tony Elliott needs a Jeff Scott on the field and if he insists on playing Ross in the slot he has misjudged Ross’s outside talent. He avoided answering why they only gained 1 yard for each of the 7 series. I’m not confident in his ability to call plays by himself. Nor in his ability to develop talent.

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Translation:

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Sep 27, 2021, 3:05 PM

Our QB is completely overwhelmed and I'm calling plays as simple as I can to not confuse him or put him in a position to make a bad decision.

Not where I thought we would be this year. Coaches see a lot more than we do - if Big 5 if the best we have, then that's where we are at. However, I'm really to give TP at least a chance during the game - game vs practice = 2 different things.

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Sep 27, 2021, 4:01 PM

Still haven't heard the word "Urgency" yet. Saban uses the word urgency. He wants his players to play with urgency. Our guys are still going through the motions and preaching patience. The results demonstrate the difference.

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Sep 27, 2021, 4:27 PM

Unless you got a coaching check let the coaches worry about the adjustments and the fans be good supportive fans.

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Sep 27, 2021, 4:53 PM

What, no question about the lack of tightend usage? Based on his answers, appears the staff is largely content with the current scheme with some minor adjustments.

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Lol UNCs offense is just as archaic as ours


Sep 27, 2021, 5:19 PM

WOW......

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To be fair, UNC scored a whopping 22 points vs GT.***


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Sep 27, 2021, 5:21 PM

I believe RG3 comments was referring to routes our WR and TE were running. No crossing, drag and wiggle routes which help receive shake off man to man coverage. Also, these type routes enable the QB to see and track the receivers along with the space in front of receivers better.

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Sep 27, 2021, 6:27 PM

The QB ain’t getting the job done! Elliot calls a play but Hollywood can’t execute. There is no way to sugar coat that. It IS whats happening on the field that counts.
I don’t think our problem is with coach Elliott. The coaches have decided that DJ is the man and I’m not sure they are right. Flame away

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Sep 27, 2021, 6:26 PM

Hey Dabo, didn't TE just say he is not brilliant but brilliantly insane??
After reading this, he says he not going to make any changes and keep working on execution of the same 3 plays he has been calling that the whole world knows how to defend. Couldn't he at least add 1 more play or is DJ not capable of processing that because Tony is trying to simplify things for him. Well the definition of insanity is to keep doing what you've always done expecting to get different results. If this is truly his idea of how to change things, the only thing that going to change is it won't take 2 overtimes for BC to lay it on our Arsz. He__, go to an I formation or triple option at least do something to make the opposing defense tired. I also agree with another poster that DJ has no deception or illusiveness about him, it is too easy to see what he's gonna do even on a QB run. No wonder the running game is non existent. We don't have the O-Line for a QB like him- can't the coaching staff see that?? So frustrating listening to Dabo sing Kumbaya about staff loyalty when he needs to be driving the Roy Boy Bus to winning not keeping poor performers on the cushy payroll. Take a lesson form Ryan Day, Nick Saban and make some changes. remember what Nick did in the CF Championship against Ga when Hurts couldn't get it going and then flipped it the the SEC championship when Tua couldn't do anything. Nick wasn't afraid to do something.

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Sep 27, 2021, 9:54 PM

It ain't the play calling, the O line or the coaching. The bottom line is DJ can't make decisions. He sits in the pocket all day and telegraphs passes to his receivers and we say that the o line isn't doing enough. When he does decide to pass he overthrows the receivers. Of course they are going to shut the running game down because even when he is given the opportunity by the defense to make that pass it doesn't happen. The defense knows he is not going to complete the pass so they stack the line. The coaches need to make the change at QB and won't do it because they don't want to hurt his feelings or there is not another option behind him. The bottom line is DJ can't make the right decisions and the coaches don't want to make the right decisions and until that happens the situation will not improve.

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Sep 27, 2021, 6:40 PM

If we start getting receivers open all the rest of the problems will resolve. I know there’s been blown OL and RB blocking assignments in bunches. I know DJ has really missed some throws. But our receivers (almost exclusively WR and not RB or TE) are not getting open. DJ is not capable of consistently fitting balls in like he did on the one drive. There have been plays where the pocket held up and no one was open. As for our completions, they are too contested. Fix this and we are fine. Design a play to get this or that specific guy open and make it easy on DJ for a minute. Etc. I’ve seen us do this before and we can again. And TE can definitely fill in the Hows on this.

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Sep 27, 2021, 11:43 PM

Ist Q ,NC State game.Throwing longer balls with one success. Otherwise. DJ wasn't even close to a target. Second Q, began throwing shorter passes and DJ was 5 yards behind each open receiver.Please give some one else a chance. I believe Pharmie can throw accurately for 10-15 yds Look at the success State had throwing short passes. And I don't mean bubble screens

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Re: TNET: Tony Elliott addresses Dixon, play calling and "archaic" offense

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Sep 27, 2021, 7:02 PM

I was halfway expecting TE to respond with "Dabo is Brilliant"

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Re: TNET: Tony Elliott addresses Dixon, play calling and "archaic" offense

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Sep 27, 2021, 7:51 PM

TE says the problem is the offense is not “in sync.” He explains that what he means is “one or two guys”“aren’t on the same page” as the other 9 or 10. This is not poor technique or lack of physical skill. This is lack of preparation and bad coaching. If they don’t know what to do, they need to be coached. If they do know and just don’t do it, they need to be benched until they get it right. So problem number one is bad coaching.

Problem number two is the predictable, “archaic” offense. TE defends this by basically admitting it. “We do the same thing as North Carolina” (to his credit, he means ‘everyone else.’) But that’s the whole point, Tony. You aren’t innovative. You are predictable. Clemson’s O is easy to defend because the other side knows what you are going to do. Most of the fans know. We have seen these same plays over and over for years. So essentially, TE admits that this criticism is well founded and he has no intention of changing anything. So strike two.

He then says his play calling is too much for DJ to process. But that DJ is smart and works really hard. So thump thump the ROY bus runs over DJ. Bad coaches blame players. Good coaches take the blame in public then bust their guys butts in private. Not Tony apparently.

So Tony - the highest paid OC in football - better start performing ASAP. Or he should be demoted or fired. That is very clear. Sadly there is very little room for loyalty at the elite level of CF. Ask Saban. If your players don’t perform, it’s on you. You get one season to show what you can do, and then you are out.

That’s how it must me at Clemson or we will keep getting what we have seen over the last 5 games.

Am I wrong?

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Re: TNET: Tony Elliott addresses Dixon, play calling and "archaic" offense

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Sep 27, 2021, 8:05 PM

This is terrible. And shocking to read. I would like to ask why our 4 and 5 star guys are unable to execute against 3 star guys at state and Georgia tech. Specifically would it have anything to do with the folks responsible FOR GETTING THEM READY TO PLAY THE GAME? Dig into that a bit, just why can’t we execute. Obviously based on this arrogance we will do the same thing which is try to execute the same plays with the same players. If freakin 88 doesn’t block someone to the ground this weekend, I surely hope the Clemson media asks why the heck a player is allowed to not execute but still get playing time for 5 games straight. Blocking isn’t a complicated science, it’s freakin training and effort in game. They don’t need to bash the fans either along people jumping off bandwagon. This is OUR bandwagon not theirs. I will be a fan till death no matter of results. I think we have the right to criticize this absolute horror show. 121st ranked offense with the recruits we have? Put that in your calculator Tony Elliott.

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Re: TNET: Tony Elliott addresses Dixon, play calling and "archaic" offense


Sep 27, 2021, 8:23 PM

#### do y'all practice ? If you do your now doing it right........im sorry be is DJ throwing these ball games because you really can't look as good as he looked last year and suck this bad im thinking bench his DR, pEPPER, A$s and go with the back up

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I see a lot of excuses and blaming the players in his

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Sep 27, 2021, 9:15 PM

Responses….

Curious if he ever owned up to it being his job to have his offense ready to go. He makes millions/yr. To ensure that happens….

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Yes, both he and Dabo said they can do better as coaches.


Sep 28, 2021, 12:18 AM

They also threw in other coach-speak platitudes like “we are young,” “we were just a couple of plays away,” “this is a hurt locker room,” “these guys are working hard,” “I’m really proud of them,” etc.

In the middle of all of the above was a stubbornness that they are going to keep doing what they have been doing and that ultimately the players have to execute.

Again, I don’t think they know how to fix this yet.

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Re: TNET: Tony Elliott addresses Dixon, play calling and "archaic" offense


Sep 28, 2021, 7:05 AM

Im going to say what no one wants me to say. TE is not a bad offensive coordinator but no where near the top. He rode Jeff Scott and TL as long as he could and it is showing. We need someone who can turn the ###### around. We need to throw money at Kendall Briles. Heck, even his dad Art, (who I know is blackballed) was a magician in the offensive scheme of things. If we keep TE we need to get a field coach as well.

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Re: TNET: Tony Elliott addresses Dixon, play calling and "archaic" offense


Sep 28, 2021, 11:14 AM

What can you do better as a play caller

Elliott: There's a lot of things. I felt like on that second and long, I probably should have gone with a different call, even though it was an RPO. I could have put DJ in a better situation. Possibly, I can take some of that off his plate and control that a little bit more for him. Those are the things I can do better, just try and limit some of the decisions that he may have to make.”

He had previously mentioned DJ getting antsey in the pocket. So we will see if Tony gives him plays that allow him to get the ball out quicker with fewer reads or WR routes that can come open earlier.

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Re: TNET: Tony Elliott addresses Dixon, play calling and "archaic" offense


Sep 28, 2021, 11:20 AM

Perhaps I'm tardy but please consider replacing 'archaic' with 'inept'. TIA

Go Tigers!

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Sep 29, 2021, 2:22 AM

Instead of QBR, let's call it OCR. Our offense is already near the bottom of the FBS rankings, but I'll bet Tony's OCR would be the worst.

DJ is a 5-star sophomore early-enrollee. Clemson's O's roster is 4-star. GT & NCSU have 3-star rosters. Shipley & Tate beat out older guys, but the rest of the roster was sophomores, juniors, seniors, and super-seniors. The depth chart for BC has no freshmen starters.

Listening to Dabo & Elliott, you'd think that the entire offensive roster 2-star true-freshmen.

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