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TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 12, 2022, 9:12 PM
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Best complete game I have seen us played this year. Good all around in all phases except the fumbles.
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 12, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Clemson was never a top 10 team... proved it again today...
Disgrace to let thy Cards score on a Hail Mary at the end. They don't play 60 minutes of football...
Sweeny can't make the hard choices. He rather keep lousy OC and DC than confront and fire them. He won't bench DJ...
Needs to be able to make tough decisions hold folks accountable and wear big boy pants
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What are you talking about??
Nov 13, 2022, 1:49 PM
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The coaches have moved us up to 9th. I'm thinking the AP will do the same, and we'll be at least 9th in the playoff poll.
What poll do you write?
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 13, 2022, 5:51 PM
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Clemson was never a top 10 team... proved it again today...
Disgrace to let thy Cards score on a Hail Mary at the end. They don't play 60 minutes of football...
Sweeny can't make the hard choices. He rather keep lousy OC and DC than confront and fire them. He won't bench DJ...
Needs to be able to make tough decisions hold folks accountable and wear big boy pants
Number 8 coming up in 2 weeks chicken boy....
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 12, 2022, 9:50 PM
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Clemson was never a top 10 team... proved it again today...
Disgrace to let thy Cards score on a Hail Mary at the end. They don't play 60 minutes of football...
Sweeny can't make the hard choices. He rather keep lousy OC and DC than confront and fire them. He won't bench DJ...
Needs to be able to make tough decisions hold folks accountable and wear big boy pants
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 12, 2022, 9:22 PM
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Definitely better than last week. Our defense was much better, outside of a few busted plays. I really wish we wouldn't let uo near the end of games on offense. I also don't understand why we put Cade in, and then never let him throw the ball.
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 12, 2022, 9:39 PM
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We don't intentionally let up on offense. Just look at the drive chart. It's consistent through the entire game. Score, 3/out, 3/out fg, punt etc.
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 12, 2022, 9:57 PM
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Maybe true but the team seems to play differently. I’m happy with most of the game but we easily gave uL 100 yards of offense with the last drive of the first half and the BS 6 we gave up at the end.
The real issue is if we win by 21 the perception is we dominated. But to win by 15 is good but worthy of being #10 and placing two 2 loss SEC teams ahead of us. We need to play a complete game.
LSU barely beats a poor Arkansas team but will not drop. We will not move up even though we dominated today.
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 13, 2022, 6:50 AM
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I would tend to disagree. We run the ball more and use more of the play clock. In past games, I agree that if we are being successful that it is the right way to play it, at least the philosophy, although I think we sometimes go into a shell too early.
The problem that I had with yesterday, involves the issue that I don't think that we are out of the playoff race. I know, my orange colored glasses are so dark that I can't see out of them. I am not sure that we would deserve to be there, but at the moment we have to pass 4 teams. I don't care if Alabama is ahead of us. They won't be if we win out.
1) Michigan - If OSU beats them in anything other than OT or a last second field goal, we will pass them.
2) LSU - Not if but when UGA boat rolls them, we pass them.
3) USC (the real one) - Another loss and they still have a few challenging games, we pass them.
That leaves TCU or a Tennessee team that takes championship week off. Without some style points, I don't know if we jump Tennessee or even a 1 loss TCU team, especially if it doesn't come championship week. I know that Dabo likes focusing on each game and letting the rest fall where it may, but it doesn't hurt to look at the big picture in my opinion. Not to mention, curb stomping Miami, the Gamehens, and UNC would put a giant smile on my face.
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Good afternoon TD Queen (bloodbeorange)
Nov 13, 2022, 2:18 PM
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I see you're still struggling to grow up and find a life.
I recommend therapy.
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 12, 2022, 10:05 PM
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I’ve come accept this season’s version of Clemson football is simply just like watching basic TV plan without cable programming channels such as Netflix, espn, HBO, CNN and Fox News.
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 13, 2022, 12:06 AM
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I’ll take winning over incredible offense & defense and losing.
Winning is always beautiful & we should never let anyone take the beautiful wins away by saying it wasn’t good enough.
Stop comparing ourselves to others or other conferences, we are dominating our conference and it’s been a incredibly great season at 9-1.
Keep on wining Tigers! 15-1 in the last 16 games, that’s absolutely great!
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 13, 2022, 12:50 AM
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Winning is great and I’m proud to be a Clemson man. Comparing our performance versus other teams and conferences is part of the game. You cannot separate the winning from the comparison to your piers. We need to play a complete game actually we need to play a perfect game to be held in the same light as other schools.
The fact we have 1 loss and are completely out of playoff consideration is frustrating. If we win out and UNC wins out and we win the ACC championship game. Why would we not be considered. By the end of the year our only loss would be to a ranked ND team.
Let’s do a little exercise and play the what if game. LSU will play UGA for the SEC championship. If LSU wins should they be in the top 4 with 2 losses. Should the SEC get two teams in the playoffs. It’s all about comparing, the eye test the offense.
Sorry for the rant. It’s just so frustrating. If an SEC team struggles against a 5-4 SEC team the narrative it “ they did what they had to for the win”. LSU vs AK
If Clemson wins by 6 the narrative is “ Clemson is done. Dabo has lost his edge”. Just a load of crap.
We don’t play perfect or overwhelm opponents but we win and don’t get credit. Therefore we need to burry opponents and leave no doubt.
Let’s hope we can beat Miami similar to how FSU did. We should. If we play like the video broadcast at the start of tge 4th quarter we should. Let’s be great not just 9-1. Go Tigers
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Hopefully, we get a chance to beat LSU like FSU did…
Nov 13, 2022, 4:08 AM
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 13, 2022, 2:28 PM
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You just articulated life in the ACC. People in power (media, SEC/Big 10, playoff committee) believe if Clemson is coming out of that conference they better be undefeated if they want to be in the playoffs. This seems especially true now that ESPN, SEC, and the Big 10 run things instead of the NCAA or CFB playoff committee.
The reality is, and I never thought I would say this, but going to the 12-team playoff in '25 or '26 is probably the best thing that could happen to Clemson if we are going to remain in the ACC for the next several years and hope to be a regular participant again in the playoffs.
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 13, 2022, 7:24 AM
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That is the best analogy I’ve heard and you’re dead on. Sure winning is great but let’s be realistic. We all watch the same games. Why do our WR’s struggle to get separation? It’s a real issue and why? Is it our scheme? Or, and if you look at the last few years of recruiting you’ll see this, is our talent level at the skill positions flat out weak? Take number 0 off the field and who frightens you on this offense? Who’s the game changer? Ngata? Bo Collins? (Did he even play yesterday, I don’t know?) EJ Williams was supposed to be a stud? What happened to him? From 2015-2020 Clemson averaged 56 pass plays of 30+ yards or more per year. Even in 2017 with KB we had 44 such plays. In the last two years we’ve had a total of 43 such plays. We constantly through WR screens but will go through entire games without taking one single deep shot? Not one. We make zero attempt to stretch the field. Yesterday we recover a fumble at midfield, a chance to strike with the change of possession and we throw a bubble screen? Is there such little confidence in DJ that we do this or is our offense just stale? I don’t know about anyone else but I’m tired of all the love for will Shipley? He’s a good player. A little above average. That’s it, that’s the truth but yet he gets treatment that no other back in the Swinney era has been given. Yesterday he fumbled and luckily we recover the ball, Swinney’s MO has always been to take that back out after a fumble. Even ettiene. Even Wayne Galman. Not Shipley? Ettiene his freshman year didn’t see the field as much as we craved because we were told he had to get better at pass blocking? How many times do we e watch Shipley miss blocks, not read the blitz correctly or just flat out get blown up and shoved back into DJ? If you’re honest you’ll say more than any back we’ve had in the last 8 years! He’s a me guy. After his second fumble his temper tantrum should’ve landed him in the live shack. When Phil Mafah scored on a 39 yard TD where was Shipley running over to congratulate his teammate? He was too busy doing his Kelly Bryant pouting impression?? I’m sure I’ll get hammered for this comment but let’s be honest. How many times does he “almost” break one? Really good backs those almosts are TDs. He plays hard I’ll give him that but he’s not a top tier back. That’s the truth.
On the second series of the game Drew Swinney caught a pass? Are you kidding me? That kid wouldn’t see the field if he played for Furman but he’s in the game on our second offensive series? Only a fool would believe that doesn’t effect the team. Swinney has always played favorites but lately it’s become painfully obvious and it’s hurting the team. ESPN nailed it when they said there are transfers that fit the ideal of a Clemson man. Our offense struggles because our scheme stinks and we’ve got a roster loaded with second tier skill position players. Shipley doesn’t start for any of the teams ranked ahead of us? Would DJ?
The only positive I saw is that our DC actually started a game being proactive not reactive and he’s realized that our secondary is terrible so get pressure on the QB? Wow what’s shocker, that really worked? Only took him 9 games and a beat down by ND to get it? Numerous times the announcers talked about how Clemson’s defensive mine struggles with handling the double team? How is that possible? These aren’t all babies in this line these are guys that have been in the program 2+ years, and they don’t know how to handle a double team? I love this program and I love my school. I enjoy when we win but it’s frustrating watching what is happening. We are slowly slipping away from national prominence and it hurts. Since 2015 we’ve been spoiled, and maybe it’s unfair to have lofty expectations but Swinney was the one who elevated our expectations, you cannot then say we should just be happy with the win. Not when we all see that things are changing.
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We don't struggle to get separation more than anyone else.
Nov 13, 2022, 2:16 PM
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This is a myth propagated by Walt Deptula. Virtually on every passing play, we have guys to turn to in the progression if the primary guy is covered. Nearly every single pass play. And then too, sometimes the primary guy has deep 1:1 where we need to attempt more 50/50 balls. The QB has been told to do this and still can't let go of the ball. More often than not, when he does throw into 1:1, it's uncatchable due to poor accuracy. But please, at the next game, pay close attention to the second level and what receivers are doing. Nearly every play someone breaks free, but the QB is having trouble surveying the field and finding the "next" receiver.
Walt started the whole separation nonsense, and he doesn't even go to the games. He's making this assertion based on watching TV, and you can't see what's happening in the 2nd and 3rd levels on TV. Walt is talking out of his butt.
I didn't read your whole post. I stopped at the parroted, "separrots, comment. In reality, we would have a much more explosive passing game if the QB was more capable or reading post-snap defenses, surveying the field, having the cahones to throw it, and then of course throw more consistently accurate downfield.
Please, next game, do your best to focus on the 2nd and 3rd levels, then let's talk again.
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Re: We don't struggle to get separation more than anyone else.
Nov 13, 2022, 3:31 PM
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I’m a huge fan. I love my Tigers. I’m not parroting anything I watch the games. I attend several every year, where you do get to see the whole field and I’m sorry. You’re wrong. If DJ has to constantly be looking at progression number three or four why is that? Is it because one and two are covered? Let’s play the hypothetical game. If you’re an opposing defensive coordinator which one of our receivers strikes the fear of god in you?? Are there too many times that DJ waits to throw the ball? Absolutely. But be honest, who’s going to be the tee Higgins or Mike Williams and ###### those 50/50 balls? The answer is no one. There’s not a receiver on this team that is a game breaker. We don’t have a RB that’s a game breaker. As I said earlier Shipley is the king of the “almost broke one” we don’t stretch the field because we cannot stretch the field. Other teams have caught up to us air surpassed us because of our average skill position players. I’m as much of a homer as anyone, it pains me to write this. But I’m right and most will agree with me.
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I'm not wrong, sir.
Nov 13, 2022, 5:16 PM
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On nearly every (not all) passing play, there is someone running free, whether it be a a WR, TE, or RB. Not sure where you're getting "3rd or 4th receiver" because DJ never gets to that in his progressions. I honestly think you just threw that out there, hoping it would stick. It's simply not true.
We do sometimes try to stretch the field, but most every time DJ stands motionless in the pocket, afraid to throw it deep. Even on clear calls for DJ to throw it to a specific receiver in 1:1, he either holds the ball or throws it somewhere where the receiver doesn't stand a chance to fight for the ball.
It's not about "striking fear" into anyone, it's about seeing the whole field and finding the open guy, then letting it rip. Or, if a 50/50 ball is the call, have the confidence to throw it, and when you do don't throw it 10 yards over the receivers head, short, or even worse, place it out of bounds.
I'm just going to be honest with you - I do not think you've focused on it like I have. Heck, my 14 year old and I have paid close attention to what I'm saying (he wants to be a TE), and he and I are constantly seeing the issues I mentioned. I maintain that you haven't focused on the 2nd and 3rd levels like we have, and I truly think you're biting on the Walt Deptula soundbite going back to last season. Walt doesn't even go to the games!
The clear cut issue is the play of the QB. Insert Trevor, Deshaun, or even a Stetson Bennet or Sam Hartman, or Joe P5 QB, and the vertical passing game takes off.
I assume you'll be at the game this weekend. Pay full attention to the 2nd and 3rd levels, and even take a few pics if you like. I assure you you'll sing a different tune than the company line, "we're not getting separation". That's a myth. We need a QB who sees and delivers. In fact the coaches have commented on this very thing, where they have tried to get him to look downfield and more often take shots.
Maybe you're confusing "separation" with being wide open streaking down the field? Well guess what, connect on more of our downfield passes, and we'll see the long ball takeoff and we'll see the explosive offense that Joe Fan is wanting.
You do realize the staff has cut back the passing playbook to short passes, solely because DJ doesn't see downfield well and is lacking confidence right now. Why do you think even in high percentage completion games, the yardage isnt breaking 200-250 yds? The answer is obvious. We're calling short, safe passes that DJ can (mostly) handle.
We're 83rd in yards per attempt! Do you think there are 82 teams with better receivers? Of course not!
Call Dabo tomorrow night on his show and ask him. He'll tell you we scaled it back for the QB.
I look forward to you focusing on the 2nd and 3rd levels next Saturday, then let's talk about it again.
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Re: I'm not wrong, sir.
Nov 13, 2022, 6:51 PM
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How on earth do you know the “staff has cut back the okay book” are you in the meetings? He do you know that the call from the sidelines are for DJ to throw a deep ball and he decides not too? Sir that’s silly absolutely silly. In two years with DJ at QB we’ve gone from averaging 56 plays of 30+ yards a season to a total of 43? That’s a fact. To put that blame all on DJ is a lazy ignorant narrative. What you’re asking us to believe is that when DJ stands in the pocket, shuffling his feet looking around, each time that occurs there’s a wide open wr and he misses them every time? Okay? It’s simply not true. Our WR’s don’t get open. They don’t fight for 50/50 balls and they don’t make plays when they need too. One play of fifty yards was the pass play against fsu. It was called that way, the receiver got open, DJ ducked a tackle stepped up and threw a dime. We simply don’t call those plays as you state. When a receiver does run a go route they’re covered. Our success rate on third down is a perfect example of how mediocre our receivers are. Far too often we watch DJ throwing balls out of bounds not necessarily due to accuracy but due to the receiver being covered. You’re wanting to make this simply about DJ as if we replaced him the offense should run like a well oiled machine? That’s not true. Our issues run deep on offense, when the second series of the game you’ve got drew Swinney catching a pass your receiving corps is mediocre. Look at Ohio states receivers? Wake forests? FSU? Those wr get open they fight for 50/50 balls and they make the big plays when they need too. If you want to believe that everything’s great and it’s all djs fault bless your heart. Our skill position recruiting stinks and it is showing up big time on the field week after week. Cade replacing DJ won’t change a thing unless he somehow has better people to throw to
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Sir, we 9-1 and #9. How the heck are doing that when
Nov 13, 2022, 5:27 PM
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(According to you)
- Poor playcalling.
- We have no receivers.
- And our best player (Shipley) is average?
It doesn't add up, at all.
Too, you mentioned "looking at the last few years of recruiting". Obviously you haven't done that yourself. We currently have (5) top 20 receivers and and another top 50. How many receivers do you reckon there are in the entire country.
Please stop saying things just because you think it suits your cause.
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Re: Sir, we 9-1 and #9. How the heck are doing that when
Nov 15, 2022, 8:34 PM
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Would Shipley start at alabama? Georgia? Florida? FSU? Texas? Ohio State? ND? Tennessee? The honest answer to that is absolutely not! Beaux Collins Decatur Collins and Troy Stellato, that’s 2021 class one isn’t here and the other two? All ACC guys right? Oh no they’re not. The year before EJ Williams. How’s he doing? He’s a stud right? First round pick? Nope! Antonio Williams could be a player, Adam Randall is a question mark. The truth is there is not one single WR on this current roster that would get taken in the nfl draft. Not a one. I don’t care what they were ranked that’s a meaningless stat. What was DJ ranked? Please? We aren’t WR U. Not right now. It’s okay to be a homer I am too. I want to see them win every game but don’t get your panties all wadded up because of the truth? How many Bubble screens or wr screens do we throw a game? My comment about play calling is we don’t throw the ball deep. Our offensive issues are about scheme and talent. You want to continue to think that without DJ this offense would be great and that’s simply not true. Your comment that on almost every single drop back a Clemson receiver is open and DJ just cannot get through his progressions is not just wrong it’s dumb? His struggles with holding on to the ball too long are because there’s no separation on 80% of his pass attempts. We don’t have a top ten wr on this roster. Period. Sir you are so wrong. I’ve forgotten more about football than you portend to know and what I’m saying isn’t to bash our team. It’s the truth and as long as apologists like yourself say things like but but he was the 15th ranked recruit. It’s never going to get better. If all these highly raked recruits are on the roster why aren’t they improving? DJ? He coached them now too? According to you our play calling is great and you Joe that they call long shots but DJ won’t throw them??our scheme is good because on every play a week is open DJ just misses them? And that are wide receivers are talented kthey don’t really drop a ton of passes they dot compete for. 50/50 balls and they seem to always be covered on third done? I’m laughing to myself at how litttle you actually watch a game or sadly if you do watch how little you understand.
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For 2 years, I have been complaining why passes are
Nov 13, 2022, 12:19 AM
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not thrown into the corner of the end zone where only our tall tight ends can catch them?
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Re: TNET: Quick Reaction: Tigers prove resilient in win over Cardinals but still have work to do
Nov 13, 2022, 3:08 AM
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“Shuffled the cards off to Louisville” - nice!
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