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TNET: Midseason report card: Grading the Clemson offense's first half
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TNET: Midseason report card: Grading the Clemson offense's first half


Oct 17, 2021, 8:00 AM

 
Midseason report card: Grading the Clemson offense's first half

Statistically, the Tigers have had one of the worst offenses in college football this season, and there's some shared blame across the group. Full Story »


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F


Oct 17, 2021, 8:02 AM

No sugarcoating it.

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Man, I wish the Clemson professors had graded on that good


Oct 17, 2021, 8:11 AM

of a curve when I was there! :)

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Oct 17, 2021, 8:11 AM

Way too kind here. All of these need to be dropped at least one letter grade, with the possible exception of the OL.

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Oct 17, 2021, 9:47 AM

I think the running backs are where they need to be.

Every other position D-.

Coaching is an absolute F.

Bad decisions this year include:

1. “Cross training” the oline where no one could get comfortable. Injuries really hurt here.
2. Putting Ross at the slot. Not the we have anyone else, but could you put a warm body in the slot and increase Ross’s production.
3. The Lynn J situation. Not that it was not inevitable.
4. Not having the self awareness after last year to realize our scheme is not helping our players.
5. Not bringing in another QB when the writing was on the wall with Chandler. Honestly I never want us to recruit another very high baseball prospect again unless there are 100% wanting to play football. Heck we could have lost Taylor too.
6. Dabo keeping Caldwell around.

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Oct 17, 2021, 11:38 AM

I get what you’re saying about the coaching on the offensive side of the ball and don’t disagree with any of those points. For me, coaching should be graded separately. As you said, offense and arguably head coaching has been an abject failure but defensively Venables has done an amazing job. Not only has his defense been great, he’s managed the depth issues very well considering Bresee and Davis have been out.

Imo the two units are in a completely separate class right now. If they’re both getting a D then our defense is in advanced/honors/AP whatever and our offense is in some kind of remedial online zoom school.

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Oct 17, 2021, 2:27 PM

This was only grading the offensive side of the ball.

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Oct 17, 2021, 8:21 AM

If we are grading on a curve, our O gets a solid F.

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Oct 17, 2021, 8:25 AM

One of the worst in college football after hearing about how talented we are all summer is a resounding F. We can’t revert to accepting mediocrity.

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Oct 17, 2021, 8:30 AM

Best is the standard? If my child came home with those grades I’d take him out to the wood shed!

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Re: Best is the standard


Oct 17, 2021, 11:32 AM

And what if he shrugged and said, I’m close, only a quiz or two away. I am what I am. How much would that help? I’m guessing not much. Would just add to the frustration?

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Don’t we hear “Best is the Standard” around here? Let’s see if corrections and changes happen.***


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Oct 17, 2021, 8:53 AM

And there are still people on here who think maintaining the status quo is exactly what is needed. Bizarre.

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Oct 17, 2021, 9:27 AM

I think your grades are more fair, and realistic then some

I see effort, and incremental improvement, but nothing close to expectations. We've (the fans) have been accustomed to the excellence (standard) that has been established over several years. I think the coaches fell into that mindset as well.

It appears that the coaches think they can plug & play any player into the system, and continue with the same results. They've missed the part about each player having different skill sets, and not being as interchangeable as they think.

Your point about Justyn Ross is a perfect example. He's not the "Slot" receiver this offense has had in the past

We don't have the luxury of watching the coaches film. We don't knowing the exact responsibilities for players on each play. We do have the ability to recognize the redundancy of certain plays, and even the formations.

One thing that stands out for me, is that lack of pulling offensive linemen, or trap plays. Everything seems like straight on blocking assignments, that often are missed.

Another item of note. We don't have the leadership from players on the offensive side of the ball, we've had in the past.

I have faith in Dabo, and this staff, to put it together. There are more championships to come.

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Oct 17, 2021, 10:02 AM

Best response on this thread

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Oct 17, 2021, 12:17 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Midseason report card: Grading the Clemson offense's first half ]

I have 'hope' Dabo will grow a true coaches backbone. But he seems to have forgotten 2018 when he had both Bryant and Lawrence playing snaps game time. I have the feeling he's complacent with the 'this is where we're at' shtick. We have known DJ isn't correcting his game time play for 4 games. Dabo knows it too but for some egotistical reason he won't even consider doing the easiest thing that offense can try to gain a true spark.

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Oct 17, 2021, 12:18 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Midseason report card: Grading the Clemson offense's first half ]

I have 'hope' Dabo will grow a true coaches backbone. But he seems to have forgotten 2018 when he had both Bryant and Lawrence playing snaps game time. I have the feeling he's complacent with the 'this is where we're at' shtick. We have known DJ isn't correcting his game time play for 4 games. Dabo knows it too but for some egotistical reason he won't even consider doing the easiest thing that offense can try to gain a true spark.

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Oct 17, 2021, 12:23 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Midseason report card: Grading the Clemson offense's first half ]

I have 'hope' Dabo will grow a true coaches backbone. But he seems to have forgotten 2018 when he had both Bryant and Lawrence playing snaps game time. I have the feeling he's complacent with the 'this is where we're at' shtick.

We have known DJ isn't doing well improvi g his game time play for 4 games. Dabo knows it too but for some egotistical reason he won't even consider doing the easiest thing that offense can try to gain a true spark.

People are already looking to next year. The problem is the issues go deeper when a HC won't make the choices now that effect the now rather than the maybe future.

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Oct 17, 2021, 7:57 PM

Hello TigerInCarolina,

Do you really think that Dabo and T.Elliott and Offense coaching staff had gotten stupid since the start of 2018 season (when they assessed ... in practices ... that T.Lawrence was a ready-to-go backup QB) for K.Bryant?

Had it occurred to anyone that ... perhaps, just perhaps, this same coaching staff in 2021 had evaluated T.Phommachan as a back-up QB during practice, and deemed his performance as not meriting taking playing time away from DJ except for an occasional gimmick play (such as TP's one play during Syracuse game)?

Got to think just a little and the answer is obvious ... despite all of our frustrations watching DJ gradually develop into a quality QB.

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Oct 18, 2021, 4:42 PM

You forget, the mantra Dabo has ingrained in the fans and players is 'next man up'. TP and the other backups aren't getting normal reps because DJ is underpeforming. And he was chosen to start because of spring practice, but he's demonstrated a rather lackluster ability game time. TP has a very good rep with the receivers, which is a part of the game where the 45% incomplete passing by DJ is sorely lacking improvement. Plenty of better QBs have been sat down to give non-starters a chance to spark the team. Because it's pretty clear the only spark during the Syracuse game was lit by Spiers fake punt-pass. Which promptly fell back to DJ who immediately threw 2 incompletes. They were able to hang in those last few plays and finally get their last TD of the game. Then over the next half DJ continued to prove his less than stellar performance. He's not a rallying type QB so when the bad snapped happened his ego collapsed and they couldn't recover the drive. The problem is DJ isn't capable of rallying the OL, which is what the Offense needs. And if someone like Taisun can do it, he should be given the opportunity... because lets face it, he can't be worse than DJ.

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Oct 17, 2021, 7:50 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Midseason report card: Grading the Clemson offense's first half ]

Hello Tiger1616Dad,

Smart and insightful post.

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Oct 17, 2021, 8:53 AM

What happens at other schools when their highly touted QBs don't get the job done? Oklahoma and Florida have both put in the back-ups and made a huge impact. Why are we so, so committed to not doing so as well? What can it hurt? DJ is lost on the field...he can't throw, runs scared, and instead of eyes of a tiger, his have the look of someone who doesn't want to be in that moment. If our back up(s) are not capable, why are we not looking for one who is, i.e., the portal. Dabo has got to the drop the hardcore approach against using the portal or get used to being humiliated by those who have prospered from it. After Pitt beats the brakes off of us next weekend - and they will - how will the coaches defend the QB play?

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Oct 17, 2021, 9:10 AM

Needed some F’s.
QB (F)
WR (F)
OL (F)
TE (D-)
RB (B) Oline is the problem


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Oct 17, 2021, 9:16 AM

Well, what else would we expect when the offense consists of three things: unproductive RPOs, poorly executed screen and swing passes, and 50/50 jump balls to wide receivers thrown by a QB with no touch. Personally, when Shipley returns, I’d hammer out an offensive identity as a running team with straight handoffs to Shipley, Mafah, and Pace and designed QB runs. Even, with all the WR talent, that’s tthe only way they’re going to consistently move the ball. It’s not ideal, but there’s no shame in it if it positions them to win games.

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Oct 17, 2021, 9:33 AM

I think we should do this with or without Shipley. Simplifies everything for struggling o line and quarterback. We have demonstrated we can’t run the RPO with the current lineup. Find something they can do.

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Oct 17, 2021, 2:23 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Midseason report card: Grading the Clemson offense's first half ]

The issues are with multiple things

1. Our receiver route tree is limited. We run swing passes, screens, hitches, slants with no set up and sideline go routes. That's it. These aren't enough to put players in a position to be open consistently

2. Our receivers are dropping passes. Clemson is known for the 80/20 ball but right now it's like a 30/70 ball. No one is consistently making contested catches which is hurting the offense. This last game ngata showed some improvement.

3. DJ is lacking touch. He's either throwing the ball too hard or throwing ground balls. This is something that can be improved with time and confidence.

4. The O line is just bad. Putnam and Bock aren't good football players. Coaches love them but they are the reason why the offensive line isn't good. Tate is young. Rayburn looks good and Tchio should probably be starting too.

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Oct 17, 2021, 3:43 PM

You read my mind!! Very accurate.

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Oct 17, 2021, 2:23 PM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Midseason report card: Grading the Clemson offense's first half ]

The issues are with multiple things

1. Our receiver route tree is limited. We run swing passes, screens, hitches, slants with no set up and sideline go routes. That's it. These aren't enough to put players in a position to be open consistently

2. Our receivers are dropping passes. Clemson is known for the 80/20 ball but right now it's like a 30/70 ball. No one is consistently making contested catches which is hurting the offense. This last game ngata showed some improvement.

3. DJ is lacking touch. He's either throwing the ball too hard or throwing ground balls. This is something that can be improved with time and confidence.

4. The O line is just bad. Putnam and Bock aren't good football players. Coaches love them but they are the reason why the offensive line isn't good. Tate is young. Rayburn looks good and Tchio should probably be starting too.

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Oct 17, 2021, 8:06 PM

Mr. BrrnTaylor,

Thank you for the generally insightful post. Super smart analysis on the WRs.

But to categorically call Bockhorst as no good is simply wrong. He is good at Guard. Center ... eh, not so much.

Putnam is also pretty good. But except for Rayburn's one game of playing Center (which not coincidentally was our best with O-Line play), the O-Line overall has under-performed.

A smart football observer like you knows why ... even one weak O-Lineman can ruin the play of an otherwise overall good OL. The C position has been, largely, unacceptable this year. Snapping has been OK, but as far as blocking the C position (outside of Rayburn) has been beaten like a rented mule by opposing D-tackles.

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Those are rather generous grades


Oct 17, 2021, 9:46 AM

I think an offense that's nearly dead last in the country would warrant mostly Fs. The only group I wouldn't give an F to is the backs.

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Oct 17, 2021, 10:39 AM

No leadership on offense. DJ is a great person with potential to be a great quarterback, but on the sideline stares into space with very little interaction with his squad nor they with him. This will never develop the chemistry needed to be great.

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Oct 17, 2021, 10:50 AM

Worst offense of performance since 2008, and it got Tommy Bowden fired

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Like many of others have said, if this offense is not an F


Oct 17, 2021, 11:15 AM

then what is? We are practically dead last in all of college football in ppg and ypg.

Like David mentioned, that's with "who we wanted" recruiting-wise as several opposing coaches put it.

That together is what makes this offensive coaching staff look that much worse.

To make matters even worse, and with NC State looking the way they are right now, I don't see a path to the ACCCG even with one of the best defenses in the country. What a shame.

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Re: Like many of others have said, if this offense is not an F


Oct 17, 2021, 8:10 PM

You're probably right in that we won't catch NC State ... even if we run the table.

Maybe Wake will beat NC State (I doubt it), but to hope that UNC can beat them ... fat chance. Can't imagine anyone else on their schedule that will cause NC State to even breathe hard.

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Oct 17, 2021, 11:34 AM

This Coaching staff better get something fixed .
The studs that have interest in Clemson and hope they will come to Clemson are watching every second of this season. They see this mess and will start looking else where. You see those top players what to show what they got and at Clemson right now it’s impossible. The Coaches are either lost or just hard headed . It doesn’t take long , look at FSU, Texas , The U and USC.

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B+...Bad plus Terrible***


Oct 17, 2021, 12:08 PM



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Oct 17, 2021, 12:14 PM

Mid season TNet report card

BS

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Oct 17, 2021, 12:57 PM

For a coach that says if you show to practice & practice hard you'll get to play, Dabo has been very stingy in that regard. If it's broke, fix it!! Coaching - F--

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Tony Elliot....


Oct 17, 2021, 5:22 PM



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Generous at best***


Oct 17, 2021, 5:45 PM



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