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TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 8:00 AM
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TG and CJ need to start recruiting their positions better.
Jul 28, 2022, 8:02 AM
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Just sayin' !!!
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Adam Randall and Antonio Williams were both solid recruits
Jul 28, 2022, 8:42 AM
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2023 WR recruiting has been slow for sure, but there is a ton of untapped talent already on the squad.
RB recruiting the past two cycles has been a bit more perplexing. If we can’t find a Travis Etienne late in the 2023 class, I hope we at least find a Wayne Gallman. Maybe Keith Adams Jr. is a Wayne Gallman? We’ll see.
The success we’ve had bringing in big talented OL just may be the key to seeing improvement in QB, RB, and WR play (and recruiting ) down the road
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* wideouts ****
Jul 28, 2022, 9:41 AM
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Re: TG and CJ need to start recruiting their positions better.
Jul 28, 2022, 3:24 PM
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I can understand the RB position not being as good as we expect it to be, and I seriously believe that it's bc of how good our RB room has the potential to be with Shipley, Mafah, Pace, and probably Keith Adams Jr. may get a lot of playing time, and top RBs even out of HS don't want to wait behind anybody when they can play somewhere and hit the portal for a better team to play for if they have to. And that's one of the biggest problem I see with the portal. It hard for coaches to recruit against it when they already have a stud or two on their team that they have to give the playing time to before a HS stud gets playing time!!!
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I’d settle for baseline decent play from the group
Jul 28, 2022, 8:03 AM
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I don’t really think WRU should be used to describe this team at this point
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You start going down the list, and that's when you realize
Jul 28, 2022, 8:16 AM
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just how incredibly unlucky last year's team was when it came to injuries. Seems like the whole receiver room was gone at the end of the year, because it pretty much was.
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Yup, the lack of production wasn't due to a lack of talent.***
Jul 28, 2022, 9:45 AM
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 8:43 AM
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Was hoping to hear more about EJ Williams?. I hope all is well for him.
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 8:46 AM
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 9:25 AM
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So, I’m confused. I thought DJ was the worst QB to ever breath, but then now it’s the WRs, but before that it was the OL. The Clemson Tigers must really suck. Now, that the overrated, late play calling Venables is gone, I suppose the defense will be the next target? I’ve never seen such negative nancies for a team that’s regularly in the playoffs. You’d think this was a NC State or a Lamecock site.
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 9:47 AM
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"Best is the Standard".
HTH with your confusion.... 
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 10:57 AM
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You realize all of those things are true. It's not negative. It's fact.
- 7 different O line combinations last year, lost multiple players during the season.
- Our WR's dropped more balls than anyone else in the country last year.
- DJ played hurt (knee and finger), but made the best of the situation. He still made poor decisions, but was impacted heavily by injuries, lack of good O line play and the WR's did him NO favors.
ALL of this is true but it's all areas that we get to start fresh. The way I see it, I don't think it can get worse than last year. If we can just stay healthy, we have got to be better.
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I'm curious on the "dropped more passes than
Jul 28, 2022, 2:58 PM
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anyone else in the country" stat. Where is that info found? We dropped many but then again we had an issue with injury attrition as well. Once we got the Collins kids involved things seem to improve. EJ has shown a ton of potential but didn't play at all. Ross was banned up as well as Ngata. Just curious if we have the info on who dropped the passes and the national comparison?
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Re: I'm curious on the "dropped more passes than
Jul 28, 2022, 3:25 PM
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Will Swinney was our most reliable receiver at year’s end - ‘nuff said. Hopefully we can hit an open receiver consistently.
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We hit Rock bottom when Will Sweeney was a starter
Jul 28, 2022, 6:56 PM
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I love Will Sweeney, but he ain't going up and winning 50/50 balls, or juking anyone out of their cleats or out running anyone to the end zone in a race.
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It's SWINNEY, bubba.
Jul 28, 2022, 7:08 PM
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And he played because we were a mash unit. Talent had no bearing on that.
Again, 2020 was the most productive passing season in Clemson history, not 2018.
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We had 46 dropped passes in 2021
Jul 28, 2022, 7:22 PM
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Between the WR/TE/RBs. Most in the country.
Through the Pitt game (7th game) we had:
- 30 total drops (an avg of over 4 per game).
- 9 different players had at least 1 drop by then.
- 13 of the 30 drops occurred on 3rd down.
- 22 of the 30 drops would have resulted in either a 1st down or Touchdown.
- Ross and Collins combined to have 13 of the 30 drops at that time.
- The number of yards lost with the 30 drops was at least 397 yards of lost production (based on the line of scrimmage and the yard marker where the drop occurred).
There was someone who posted the information here on TNet right after the Pitt game.
The 46 came from an article I read somewhere. There was also a graphic after the Syracuse game on one of the college football live shows showing that we lead the nation in dropped passes.
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Do you have the national statistics?
Jul 28, 2022, 7:59 PM
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Im assuming the purveyor of that info physically made a count by watching every game. 46 seems high, but I remain curious where are the national stats? I've never seen any site tracking drops of all 130 FBS teams.
I assume you see light on the other points?
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Re: Do you have the national statistics?
Jul 30, 2022, 11:06 AM
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46 seems high? That's only 3.5 per game. I'd have thought we were higher
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Are you referring to Hood or Rank who wrote the story?
Jul 28, 2022, 5:31 PM
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So, I’m confused. I thought DJ was the worst QB to ever breath, but then now it’s the WRs, but before that it was the OL. The Clemson Tigers must really suck. Now, that the overrated, late play calling Venables is gone, I suppose the defense will be the next target? I’ve never seen such negative nancies for a team that’s regularly in the playoffs. You’d think this was a NC State or a Lamecock site.
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We havent been WRU in years now
Jul 28, 2022, 9:48 AM
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I think you could make a strong argument that we are DLU, and have been for awhile now, but Bama and Ohio State have had much better WR groups for several years now.
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havent been WRU in years - B.S., Renfrow, Tee Higgins,
Jul 28, 2022, 1:07 PM
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Amari, Were here 2 or 3 years ago, and last year one of the best recievers of all time came back and K. C. is excited to have him this year.
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Two seasons ago we had the most productive
Jul 28, 2022, 6:42 PM
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passing game in Clemson history. In the 2018 national championship season with 15 games, we had 328 receptions for 4185 yards . In 2020, with only 12 games, we had 325 receptions for 4182 yards. Hard to say we didn't have good receivers with that amount of receptions and yardage in a shortened year, again, the most productive passing season in Clemson history.
We have talent in the system. We were lacking an accurate QB last year. WRU lives.
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Yeah, but during that same stretch Bama had arguably the
Jul 29, 2022, 4:22 PM
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best WR corp in CFB history and Ohio State has been loaded recently as well. Being "WRU" implies you are the best in CFB at recruiting, developing, and putting WRs into the NFL. I think it's been several years since you could make that argument about Clemson.
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Re: havent been WRU in years - B.S., Renfrow, Tee Higgins,
Jul 30, 2022, 11:07 AM
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"Best WR of all time"? Dear god, hope you weren't talking about Justyn Ross who had 1 good CFP and...that's about it.
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Sorry, but not sorry.....
Jul 28, 2022, 10:53 AM
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I have little faith in this group.
Issues:
- Lead the ACC and Country in drops last year (and it was the most, by far, in Dabo's tenure at Clemson)
- Decline in recruiting the last 2-3 years.
- Decline in production.
- No deep threats
- No game changers at any position.
- Lack of seperation in route running.
- Can't stay healthy...Injuries galore.
We are not WRU, and have been since 2018.
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B.S. we had Amari, Higgins, Renfrow and here until 2000
Jul 28, 2022, 1:11 PM
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and one of the best recievers in all time was here last year. K.C. and Mahomes are excited to have him there.
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Ross is out for 2022 - recurrence of foot injury***
Jul 28, 2022, 5:33 PM
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Again,
Jul 28, 2022, 7:06 PM
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We lost Cornell Powell and Amari Rogers prior to 2021. That's it. 2020 was the most productive passing game in Clemson, and we had everyone back in 2021. Drops maybe, but not for lack of talent. Still would like to see the stats, "most drops in the country". Where is that recorded?
Recruiting has not declined. We currently have five top 20 receivers in the program as well as another top 50. That's the ENTIRE country.
Production went down last year due to mainly poor QB play. Imagine Trevor Lawrence, or even the DJ of 2020 in there, and production goes up immensely. It was one year too. Again, 2020 was the most productive passing season in Clemson history. 2021 was an anomaly.
It's really kind of silly to say we don't have speed. Again, the primary difference in 2021 was QB play. Again, TL would have been lighting it up downfield.
Lack of separation is BS. On basically every passing play there were either primary or secondary receivers running free. A lack of QB vision was the primary issue. Don't believe the talking head or two who is repeating the BS. Watch the games, its just not true. Now, thats not to say guys like Ajou Ajou didn't half-azz it a lot, and sometimes receivers weren't working as hard when the QB was struggling to see them or throw good balls, but there was separation.
Staying healthy has nothing to do with talent. EJ didn't play at all, and he's one of the best WRs in the country. Ngata stayed banged up last year, but will be in the NFL. Ross never quite was injury free. Again, there's a reason a Swinney boy started in the bowl game and Will Brown saw significant minutes, but it had nothing to do with talent or recruiting.
So yeah, we need to clean up the passing accuracy and drops. WRU will be alive and well if we're able to do that. Your "not since 2018" is simply not correct.
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 11:57 AM
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With good health, we will be a good team. Pretty simple really.
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I like his optimism but I hope that we'll have an alpha wr
Jul 28, 2022, 12:27 PM
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step it up this season.
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 12:58 PM
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Had our QB & WR’s stayed healthy and played close to the standard we could have won a National Championship last season.
This team is and was so talented but one weak link can be the difference in winning and not. We had many weak links with all the injuries and still managed to get 10 wins.
We had 30 Scholarship players out for the bowl game, imagine the score if we had all of them healthy. We Would have wiped the floor.
DJ will be much improved and hopefully or WR’s will too.
We have been blessed the last 10 years with staying healthy and giving our backups plenty of action.
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 12:59 PM
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Even if we had had the #1, #2, #3, and #4 WR in the country last year and all were 100% healthy, DJU was still throwing the ball at their feet on the short-hop or 15 feet over their heads.
I'm hoping DJU has fixed his mental issues, mechanical issues, or whatever was causing so many miss-throws. If he doesn't I suppose we'll see if Klubnic can hit these receivers.
Bottom line, it takes at least a semi-accurate passer to be able to highlight WR play.
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 3:31 PM
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Yep, bullet passes at 3 yards .. throws to the feet or being bounced to open WR’s and then he occasional cheerleader head shot 15 yards deep past the sideline. “Improvement” is relative to the starting point from last year. Wish him the best this year.
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 1:50 PM
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Everyone has bashed the oline when talking about our passing game but DJ took very few sacks last season. His decision making and accuracy were the major problems along with injuries. There were several drops but many of those passes had no touch and made the balls hard to bring down. The addition of Randall and Williams to go with EJ, Joe, Troy, Spec and the Collins bros is a pretty steady group of talent. If our QB play improves these guys will be able to get the job done. GO TIGERS!!!
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 4:25 PM
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I really want Adam Randall to get back on the field. I think he will get plenty of playing time.
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Grisham has lots of work to do ...
Jul 28, 2022, 5:45 PM
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Our top receivers IMO are Beau Collins, Adam Randall, and Antonio Williams. They are also our youngest, and Randall is already hurt. Grisham needs to evaluate what aspects of WR training (or lack thereof) are causing all these injuries and get these young bucks ready.
Ngata advised earlier this year he had drastically changed his diet to lose weight and get healthy for his final season. Graduate Amari Rogers just went from 218 to 202 lbs to ready for Packers season. Do the WR's need to lay off the OL food? EJ Williams can really catch but has become a forgotten player -- hope to see him back on the field soon.
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Re: TNET: Grisham has 'no doubt' that Wide Receiver U will be back this season
Jul 28, 2022, 6:06 PM
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I had stated earlier you can expect Dabo to get involved here if TG struggles. That looks to be the case and I'll expect he becomes ever more involved if our struggles continue. This is in Dabo's wheelhouse and if he has to take this group under his wing until things sort themselves out that's exactly what he'll do. We had best improve production here if we are to attract the level of talent we've come to expect from this group.
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