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TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei
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TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 5, 2021, 8:00 AM

 
Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei

Clemson head coach Dabo Swinney still believes in DJ Uiagalelei, despite a less than stellar start to the season.
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I am***


Oct 5, 2021, 8:01 AM



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Re: I am***


Oct 5, 2021, 8:53 AM

Not everyone wants Dabo to give up on DJ. The fans just want to see TP get a series here and there. It may let Coach Streeter work with DJ during the game to see some things he has been missing.

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DJ does run


Oct 5, 2021, 6:25 PM

Like Sid Bream and Kirk Gibson. He doesn’t run like Secretariat

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Re: I am*** - wow, you're all heart


Oct 5, 2021, 9:44 AM [ in reply to I am*** ]

I guess the Braves should have stopped Sid
Bream (the slowest player on the team) at 3rd
base in a tie game with 2 outs in the bottom
of the 9th in the 7th game of the 1992 NLCS.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FgjIVvEQo_o


I guess Tommy Lasorda should never have sent
out a hobbling Kirk Gibson with 2 outs in the
bottom of the 9th to pinch hit a walk-off 2 run
homer in game 1 of the 1988 World Series.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0toCMwEBwLo


I guess Secretariat, probably the greatest race
horse of all time, should have been benched after
he finished 4th in his first race as a 2 year old
before he became a triple crown winner and set
records in all 3 races that still stand.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AG_27cCW5bw

I guess...

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Re: I am*** - wow, you're all heart


Oct 5, 2021, 9:59 AM

IMO, Secretariat was the greatest professional race horse that has ever lived, and he didn't compete the way a Jockey wanted him to compete, he did it his way, and that was usually coming from behind in a full run leaving the field behind!!!

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Re: I am*** - wow, you're all heart


Oct 5, 2021, 11:30 AM [ in reply to Re: I am*** - wow, you're all heart ]

I don’t know if you’re watching the same quarterback that I am watching, AND secretariat had a history of greatness and I haven’t seen this kid in any game so far show any greatness. Frankly I’m beginning to think he doesn’t know the plays and that is a head coach problem. Frankly I don’t know what the problem is but obviously Dabo sees something in him that I do not nor most of the fans ,no matter how loyal we are.

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Re: I am*** - wow, you're all heart


Oct 5, 2021, 5:40 PM

You haven't seen him in any game show greatness!? Really!? Did you miss the come from behind win to BC last yr and the almost 500 yrds at ND the following week?

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Oct 5, 2021, 10:11 PM [ in reply to Re: I am*** - wow, you're all heart ]

you see what you want to see, DJ has huge upside he will get there, you can complain about every aspect of every team if you want to... we get everyones best effort. he had some off throws, he had some good throws, he had some bad throws, he forced a few throws, he had some drops... we got some really crap calls and no calls last week... he threw a perfect back shoulder to Ladson the defender pulled Ladson preventing him from stopping and it was an incompletion that looked bad but was really on the defender. What do you do about that? He threw another perfect back shoulder to Ngata on the two that he dropped. What do you do about that?

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Re: I am*** - wow, you're all heart


Oct 11, 2021, 9:41 AM [ in reply to Re: I am*** - wow, you're all heart ]

I feel like it proves everyone's point when you have to use crap from 30+ years ago in other sports and a horse to justify Dabo's decision. Critics can point to two times in the last week when coaches pulled starting QBs and the backup performed better and won the game.

In addition to this ridiculous analogies, they're not even apt. Secretariat finished fourth in a race and then went on to be a champion? DJ had two good games last year and is one of the worst QBs in the country this year statistically. This is the equivalent of Secretariat coming in, say, second and then third in its first two races, then coming in dead last five races in a row. Do you think its owner would have continued to race him?

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Take care.***


Oct 5, 2021, 11:49 PM [ in reply to I am*** ]



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Needs to drop about 10# and practice foot work/ set up...


Oct 5, 2021, 9:09 AM

Rifling off his back foot on most of the overthrows... Needs to step into his throws and take some velocity off on the short ones.

I don't claim to be some QB 'whisperer' but I've watched Clemson football for 45+ years... It seems fairly clear to me.

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Why would he???


Oct 5, 2021, 9:09 AM

there are no other viable options. its DJ or nothing. if you dont think thats true, watch the spring game

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Re: Why would he???


Oct 5, 2021, 9:41 AM

Wow, man there has been many of those guy that played in the spring that has grown and gotten better since the spring game. The spring game is nothing more than a glorified scrimmage/practice to show the coaches where guys are at every level have progressed or stayed the same, and that is all the spring game is meant to do!!!! All those guys that played in the spring game has had since April, till now to sharpen their skills and get better. That is the purpose for the practices before the spring game, and that's how our coaches grade every player, and let them know what areas they need working on the most during the off season. If nobody gets better, well then all the time put in for that purpose was a total waste, and if that is true, the coaches will need a better way to get the results they need from every player!!!!

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Re: Why would he???


Oct 5, 2021, 11:16 AM [ in reply to Why would he??? ]

Ed Zackery

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Re: Why would he???


Oct 5, 2021, 11:33 AM [ in reply to Why would he??? ]

Well if you are right, and I don’t know …why is that the case? Since when do we put all of our eggs in one basket. I just don’t get this ,I’ve never seen such a highly touted player have none of the skills.

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Once TP settled in, he looked really good in the spring game


Oct 5, 2021, 1:04 PM [ in reply to Why would he??? ]

After 5 games, DJ still hasn't settled in.

Here's TP after he settled in at the spring game...
https://youtu.be/WGDWFhJz7VM?t=259

Puma also had some really nice throws against SCST...
https://youtu.be/SeJP_Y9jcM4?t=4836

I'm not saying that TP is better than DJ, but based on our limited visibility, TP seems to be a viable option. Perhaps his superior speed, mobility, and elusiveness would be a better fit for our struggling OL. I'd like to see him get a chance.

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Re: Once TP settled in, he looked really good in the spring game


Oct 5, 2021, 5:54 PM

His release looks like a full second or more quicker than DJU, with not a lot of loss on accuracy. Can he read the DE on a read option?

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Re: Once TP settled in, he looked really good in the spring game


Oct 19, 2021, 8:45 PM [ in reply to Once TP settled in, he looked really good in the spring game ]

He deserves a chance. But Dabo doesn't want DJ to enter the transfer portal.

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Re: Why would he???


Oct 5, 2021, 1:05 PM [ in reply to Why would he??? ]

Ummm if I am remembering correctly Taisun played phenomenal in the 2nd half and his team
Beat Djs team!

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Re: Why would he???


Oct 5, 2021, 2:32 PM

You are correct, and furthermore I will add, this was the first time I really started to worry about DJ being inaccurate on his throws. There were a few good throws, like one to Beaux early I recall, but several air mailed as well. "Oh its just the spring game, etc.." Well, maybe it was a bit more. I do know he had a shoulder injury last year. I almost wonder if it has thrown off his mechanics as he compensates for it. Once bad habits, a "hitch" get in your delivery, like a golf swing it can take a while to get ironed out. Not saying any of this is the case, but I do wonder somewhat.

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It's clear now that the QB position is the biggest variable


Oct 5, 2021, 9:58 AM

from previous years.

Our coaching staff is trying to make things work with a broken quarterback. I don't know what happened to DJ because he looked awesome last year. I was sure he was going to have a great year this year.

Against UGA he had a bad game but it was hard to pinpoint the root cause. It looked like everything was wrong.

While there are many flaws we can point to, I think the flowchart leads to the QB position.

I feel bad for him. I'm not one of those psychotic fans who wants to denigrate or hate a kid for not playing well. It sucks.... but it is what it is.

Our playcalling, our WR routes, our blocking, our lack of explosive plays..... it's all related to the QB performance this year. Something happened to him. Something changed the way he processes information. Something changed his ability to throw with accuracy. It's like a baseball situation. Something inexplicable causes an elite athlete to wither and disappear from greatness with no obvious explanation.

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Oct 5, 2021, 10:11 AM

What you say, I think is as close as to the point as anything anybody else has said, bc we really don't know what happen with his thought process or his mechanics. Some think that Streeter has messed him up, and I have had those same thoughts at times. Then I think was DW4, and TL16 so strong minded that no one could have convinced them that what they was trying to teach them wasn't a better way for them, and they just didn't take to the coaching, and they did it the way that got them where they were at, it's all possible....

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I'm not even going to try to figure it out.


Oct 5, 2021, 10:16 AM

People are complicated. It could be anything. What I look at is the health of the program. The program is healthy. So if the healthy program has struggles, I expect the healthy program to overcome those struggles.

Everyone is shocked. Clemson fans, Clemson coaches, ESPN, Coots, everyone. This isn't going to last forever and we have installed a program that can rise above this.

I'm going to remind myself of the wonderful gifts of the last 5 years, hope for as many wins as possible like I did in the 90's and 2000's and be happy that Dabo is handling this and not Tommy West or Bowden.

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Oct 5, 2021, 11:25 AM [ in reply to Re: It's clear now that the QB position is the biggest variable ]

True

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I really wonder if Streeter is the right QB coach for a RPO


Oct 10, 2021, 1:09 PM [ in reply to Re: It's clear now that the QB position is the biggest variable ]

system. He was a pocket passer. Should Tajh be coaching QBs instead or someone from outside?

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So many TNetters were quick to give Streeter credit for


Oct 12, 2021, 9:11 AM

for bringing out the best in Cole Stoudt when he had to replace Deshaun Watson for the bowl win.

They said Cole had it all along, he just needed a good QB coach to help him excell.

At that point, Streeter was a “great” addition to the staff and a “refreshing change” from Chad Morris.

Now he doesn’t know anything?

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Oct 5, 2021, 11:26 AM [ in reply to It's clear now that the QB position is the biggest variable ]

Obviously it's impossible to know the answer, but I wonder how different DJ would look if our schedule had started with SC State and then UGA.

I think he got shell-shocked in the UGA game and he let it weigh on him far more than it should have.

I've been around sports my entire life and I've seen many kids fail on the small stage and get better and not think twice about what happened.

At the same time I have seen many kids who make much smaller mistakes when it matters the most and they struggle for long periods of time to get past "ruining the big moment" for their team.

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Oct 5, 2021, 11:37 AM [ in reply to It's clear now that the QB position is the biggest variable ]

Excuse me? But for someone who doesn’t want to degenerate a kid …and pointing out flaws is not degenerating a person … you sure leveled him with your opinion!??

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 5, 2021, 10:00 AM

But, not quite a ringing endorsement from Dabo.

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 5, 2021, 10:27 AM

For the last 3 weeks the poster children on here have been hammering Dabo for praising DJ and saying he isn’t seeing what is obvious to every armchair QB in the country. Now he says there is room to improve and that gets criticized. I’m really glad Dabo has said he won’t listen to criticism from anyone he wouldn’t seek advice from because that’s probably the only way anyone could handle all the crap that’s flying around outside the program.

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 12, 2021, 8:20 AM

A failure of Uiagalelei would mean a failure of Dabo. He (Dabo) isn't going to let that happen. He's too arrogant.

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 5, 2021, 10:07 AM

I'm not ready to give up on him yet either, but it would be nice to to let somebody else have a chance, at least for one series or quarter. Didn't Dabo sit Trevor down a couple of times when it looked like he was trying too hard .Well, I'd like to see Dabo at least try to do something other than give us "lip-service". Now, how hard would that be?

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Oct 5, 2021, 5:48 PM

On the same token, how hard would it be for us to just support the man who has brought so much to Clemson?

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Oct 12, 2021, 8:24 AM [ in reply to Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei ]

How would "sitting Uiagalelei" affect his NIL money (of at all).

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Oct 5, 2021, 10:21 AM

I've been a tiger fan a long time with the good and bad and I'm not a college football coach lol but like most I can see things and one thing I do see is that we have a lot of players getting frustrated and wanting to leave and don't think it will be long and some of the QBs will leave and the 5star we have coming in next year will start to rethink that he will never play lol

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Oct 5, 2021, 10:39 AM

As far as Cade is concerned, I think that you're totally off base bc, Cade was set on coming to Clemson before he had a Clemson offer. I think that is was Ty Simpson that we had already offered, and he committed to Bama, and that is when Cade Klubnik was offered, but, Cade had plenty of other offers by top programs before he was ever offered by Clemson, and he committed to Clemson within hours of the offer. Cade will be a Clemson Tiger regardless of how things turn out with DJ.

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 5, 2021, 5:47 PM

Yes, Ideally, Cade can sit a season and watch and learn the offense. Hopefully, things get better, but it will probably have no affect on Cade. All this sky is falling crap is getting old really fast. We are all spoiled and it's all because of Dabo and his program that he's built. I'm frustrated with fans giving him crap. I really am.
The Tigers won championships with 8th to 15th ranked recruiting classes and now those classes are becoming top 5. It's been a rough season, but it's just temporary and at least the defense has played well, mostly.
In case some missed it, Georgia completely demolished a good Arkansas team on Saturday and they just crushed them. The Bulldogs are really good and they couldn't score on us outside of a bad pass that was a pick 6.

I'm as ready as everyone else to see what Taisun Pharmwhatever can do, but I'll never throw a player under a bus like some fans. It's just ridiculous.

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 6, 2021, 5:32 AM

Lol, did you really drink the SEC koolaid and think Arkansas was good?

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I'm out of my mind, but feel free to leave a message.


Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 5, 2021, 10:21 AM

I've been a tiger fan a long time with the good and bad and I'm not a college football coach lol but like most I can see things and one thing I do see is that we have a lot of players getting frustrated and wanting to leave and don't think it will be long and some of the QBs will leave and the 5star we have coming in next year will start to rethink that he will never play lol

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Oct 5, 2021, 10:38 AM

Dabo is right - DJ still has the capacity, that potential and is progressing. It is coming along and when it click (which I do think most of it is mental) it will be great. Sure, we are impatient for immediate dividends but not selling out long-term for is key. South carolina has made it their tradition on sacrificing the future for "today" and that is why they stink. Don't be a coot.

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Agree on both points. Especially on not being a coot!


Oct 5, 2021, 11:52 AM

:)

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 5, 2021, 11:27 AM

That became pretty obvious at the homecoming game. He was yelling and screaming at all the players but every time DJ came off the field he got a hug. I don’t know what he sees in that young man but I just don’t see it?!

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Oct 5, 2021, 12:55 PM

Of all the roles and folks Dabo can prop up, his support of DJ is the most important (and seems the most ingenuous). DJ came into BC on short notice last year, and faced the number 82 passing defense. Coaches did not have time to scheme around him so they let him sling it. He had to run TL16's game minus the running (to avoid injury).

Against Notre Dame (61st passing defense) he had to run a little more but was still able and allowed to pass.

From what I can tell, all that has changed (for him, not our OC), is the playcalling/coaching he has been instructed to execute. We have see so many dink and doink plays and bubble-screens. Those take a significant amount of pocket movement if the line is not holding and/or a QB has to work his progression from one sideline to the other, shoulders 180°.

His weight is the same as when he came in from HS for the record against that narrative.

If the line is not holding, DJ is probably to some degree (even if subconscious) worried about his future for Clemson and as a pro. If he doesn't or cannot make the short doinks or scrambles/designed-runs, he is probably concerned he will be labeled as only a pure-pocket passer (when IMHO it appears he wants to excel in all areas for himself and for our team). To some degree, he probably feels slighted knowing that TE has referred to a water-downed offense for DJ until he gets the handle.

My guess is that there is a lot of chatter in his head, and a lot of coaches and a coordinator telling him he has to be a 'multi-dimensional QB' or has to 'make the easy short passes' or has to be able to 'check-down'. I think if DJ and our WR corp (of super tall/athletic/fast guys) were let off the leash and were able to go play some pitch and catch, we would see a lot more efficient production...assuming the line can hold.

But-I'm not a professional. I just watched Any Given Sunday recently where the OC in the booth is calling one play, and Tony D'Amato tells the rookie QB to just make the pass at the Cadillac...

I think DJ has a lot of good things for us in store. Growing pains this year. He needs better coaching/playcalling to get there. My $0.02

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Oct 5, 2021, 2:48 PM

Um...Coach?

Kelly Bryant is on line 1. He'd like a word...

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Oct 5, 2021, 5:30 PM

Dabo needs to move on from this kid if he wants to get back in the national picture. The earliest would be next year.

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Oct 5, 2021, 5:33 PM

Yes, don't give up, but maybe let a backup play and see if benching helps him out.

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Thought this was a ridiculous headline...


Oct 5, 2021, 11:19 PM

Then I read some of the comments. These Tigernet "fans" are so entitled. Sometimes we're going to run into bad luck or growth periods. Be grateful for the past success we've had and for the improvement the team/DJ is showing week to week. Or don't, but just stop whining and acting like you know better. Patience used to be a virtue...

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 10, 2021, 10:09 AM

WHILE D.J. IS A GOOD QB WITH MONSTER THROWS, IT'S OKAY TO CHANGE UP A LIITLE AND PUT OTHERS IN AFTER SEEING AN UNPRODUCTIVE AND STAGNATED HALF. THE YOUNG MAN SHOULD UNDERSTAND THAT HE IS NOT LOOSING HIS STARTING JOB BECAUSE OF IT. HE CAN ALSO LEARN FROM PHOMACHANH AND HELM. THIS IS LIKE PLAYING BLACK JACK IN LV. YOU DON'T STAY AT THE SAME TABLE NOT WINNING A HAND. IT COMES DOWN TO COACHING DECISIONS WITH THESE GREAT 4-5 STAR PLAYERS.

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 12, 2021, 9:41 AM

Does anyone on here know, positively for sure, no speculation, no "coachspeak", that we have a back-up QB physically ready to step in and take over?
Please keep all responses under 100 words. I have reader's fatigue.

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 19, 2021, 9:17 AM

TP7's recovery did seem fast; CDS would not put a player at risk if he felt there was one (98/100)

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Re: TNET: Dabo Swinney not ready to give up on DJ Uiagalelei


Oct 19, 2021, 9:52 AM

Who didn't see the presser after the GA game:

One player appearing in a three-piece suit, loaded down with jewelry, a fedora and grooming himself during the interview. Appears he may have spent too much time on NIL contracts befoe and during the start of the season.

That's not what Clemson has been about with the program successes.

Haven't given up on him, but it would be encouraging to give TP or HH a complete series or two. Let DJ sit and refocus a bit. Maybe, just maybe he gets the picture.

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