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110%er [5962]
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So we're going to start paying players now.
Mar 26, 2014, 9:03 PM
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Well, as long as they are having to pay taxes on their "income".
I guess scholarships won't be necessary, so they should be able to use their football money to pay for tuition, unless they can get an academic scholarship.
Since they will be considered "employees" I guess that means they could be terminated for failing drug tests and things of that nature.
I guess they'll have to apply for their "job" like everyone else has to. National Signing day will now be referred to as National Hiring day.
Will the universities be required to provide benefits or can they sign up with Obamacare?
If they are going to be payed for playing football then it should be treated just like any other job. If they want to get paid, then create a minor league NFL, skip college, and see how these guys fare then.
A quick google search and about ten seconds of research shows that tuition this year at Northwestern is a little over $45,000. If that's not getting paid with the added benefit of getting an education, then I don't know what is.
http://www.northwestern.edu/newscenter/stories/2013/03/northwestern-sets-2013-2014-costs.html
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If they are going to be paid
Mar 26, 2014, 9:11 PM
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Then we should drop the charade of providing an education. And get it out of the NCAA jurisdiction.
Hellooooooo XFL jr.
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Re: If they are going to be paid
Mar 26, 2014, 9:20 PM
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how can they say there is no academic component when each player has to meet academic standards to be admitted and remain eligible?
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One and dones and draft eligible juniors
Mar 26, 2014, 9:51 PM
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If they are in college for the education, then why do they leave without a degree?
Pay them, but make them ineligible for the draft until a) they have earned a degree, or b) it has been 5 years since they graduated high school.
If the "unions" will agree to that, then I will argue that they should be paid.
While we are at it, maybe we should pay A students...band members
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Re: One and dones and draft eligible juniors
Mar 26, 2014, 10:12 PM
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just wait until all the "nags" get through with this.. they will DEMAND the same thing as football players and no school can do that so it is all over.. the "nags" will be happy to see football do away
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$60 average tickets x 60,000
Mar 26, 2014, 9:11 PM
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Is $3.6 million per game.
That's just over $21 million for just 6 regular season home games.
So you think $45,000 in tuition is fair?
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Are you going to give them a scholarship and a paycheck
Mar 26, 2014, 9:21 PM
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or pay them enough to afford $45,000 a year?
85 scholarships @ $45,000/yr is 3.825 mil, so one game a year will be in the red just to cover the players playing the game. How much will all the other sports athletes get paid?
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That's why I said create a minor league NFL. Use it like
Mar 26, 2014, 9:26 PM
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baseball. Drafted out of high school into a farm league or go to college for free.
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You really want that? That would suck.
Mar 28, 2014, 9:37 AM
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And it would destroy college football.
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Re: Do managers/trainers/cheerleaders get to join
Mar 26, 2014, 10:14 PM
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of course! and all the womens sports that are a constant drain on athletic dept budgets will gbe their also!! good bye college sports
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Re: Are you going to give them a scholarship and a paycheck
Mar 27, 2014, 2:05 PM
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Let also not forget other sales at games, all the licensed school apparel, video games, TV contracts, bowl payouts, donation and booster programs like IPTAY, etc.
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Re: Are you going to give them a scholarship and a paycheck
Mar 27, 2014, 2:37 PM
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That are sold via licensing of the university.
Most people aren't buying Sammy Watkins jerseys. Most people are buying that Clemson Tiger paw that the University has spent decades building as a brand.
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Re: Are you going to give them a scholarship and a paycheck
Mar 27, 2014, 2:56 PM
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Absolutely fair for a 19 year old kid to practice 20 hours per week and make $45,000, and get a quality education to go along with that.
How many 19 year olds do you know can make $45,000, get a college education, room and board, meal money???
College is the route to take if you want to play NFL, if you don't like that route or feel you're being abused then sit out 3 years, get no college education and take your chances on making it in the NFL.
You still think a full ride isn't enough? Then take the alternate route. Then when you don't cut it in the NFL you can try to get into college without the "diminished requirements" that you can get in as an athlete and try to get accepted as a regular student.
If you don't like the current arrangement do something different, you are not being held gunpoint.
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Exactly, nothing is stopping them from doing their
Mar 27, 2014, 3:02 PM
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own training for three years.
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Re: Are you going to give them a scholarship and a paycheck
Mar 27, 2014, 4:46 PM
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Fair says who? Typically, when we consider whether compensation is fair (in a legal sense) we think about what employers are willing to pay and what employees are willing to accept. As of now, the employee/athletes are prohibited from negotiating as to what they will accept. They have the choice of (1) don't go to college, (2) go to college and accept walk on position, (3) go to college with athletic scholarship. The top end compensation is limited to a scholarship and some ancillary benefits. That limitation is put in place via the collusion of the employers. In any other employment setting that is illegal.
The fact that people have decided that they think the compensation paid to athletes is "fair" is irrelevant.
Also, I call BS on the idea that these employees are only working 20 hours per week towards their sports jobs. That may be all the time they are allowed to practice, but they are likely expected to spend lots more time on their own doing film study or studying the playbook, etc.
Also, it doesn't matter what a normal 19 year old could make as an employee. We don't sit around and say Taylor Swift should make less money for her music because she's young. These people have relatively rare talents. They should get paid a market rate for their services.
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Re: $60 average tickets x 60,000
Mar 26, 2014, 9:24 PM
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Well that depends on stadium size. Smaller stadium means less money.
For example,
Death Valley holds 80k+ x $60 x 7 home games = 33.6 million
Northwestern stadium holds 47k x $60 x 7 games = 19.7 million dollars
So do we pay players more enticing them to come here and creating a huge gap?
They're opening up a can of worms that could destroy America's most popular sport.
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Re: Re: $60 average tickets x 60,000
Mar 26, 2014, 9:27 PM
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And on top of that, that's just gross revenue.
And if you want to know if a 45k scholarship is fair?
19.7 million / 85 players / 12 games = 19, 313.73.
So in short yes they're getting a scholarship worth more than double the amount "earned" per player per game.
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Re: $60 average tickets x 60,000
Mar 26, 2014, 9:27 PM
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Hell yeah it's fair. No one forced them to 'play' college football.
If they want to get paid, they will be forced to live in the real world. Real people work for companies that make billions of dollars and some get paid $50k / yr.
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Re: $60 average tickets x 60,000
Mar 27, 2014, 2:38 PM
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^^^This. Since when was profit sharing a mandate ANYWHERE...much less college athletics?
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How much does a high school graduate
Mar 26, 2014, 9:28 PM
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make with no job experience at 18? It isn't close to $45,000 - which I believe your estimate to be low after room, board, training, meals, clothes, tutors, etc.
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Re: $60 average tickets x 60,000
Mar 26, 2014, 9:54 PM
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With the up keep of facilities, employes, along with every dime it takes just for a college kid to interview for the pros. It ain't cheap!!!
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Re: $60 average tickets x 60,000
Mar 26, 2014, 10:15 PM
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and all that is pure profit for the schools!! no expenses come out of that!! LMAO!!
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You're right, absolutely zero!! :)
Mar 27, 2014, 2:32 PM
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Heck, just the four corner stadium lights...
Two banks of 6 x 6 per corner = 288 lights
Those are 1kW metal halide fixtures, so operating for one hour is 1kWh, assuming a utility rate of $0.12/hr.
Those lights on the stadium are on at least 7 hours on a gameday, and I've seen them on very often even on non-gamedays. So an assumption that they are run 24 hours a week is fair.
288 lights * $0.12/hr * 24 hr/week * 52 week/year = $43,130...just for the stadium lights.
Doesn't account for any other lights or equipment in Death Valley...
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Absolutely, I'm paid $50k and bring in my company
Mar 27, 2014, 2:25 PM
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$5mil+ every single year.
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Ha ha ha ha. "Fair." You see a lot of college football
Mar 27, 2014, 3:04 PM
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programs cancelling the season because they can't get any high school kids interested in playing for them for a free college education?
Yeah. Me neither.
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Re: Ha ha ha ha. "Fair." You see a lot of college football
Mar 27, 2014, 4:49 PM
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Just because people are willing to accept a cartel's lowball monopoly priced offer doesn't make it fair.
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There's that word again. "Fair." Who told you that life is
Mar 27, 2014, 5:31 PM
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fair?
For decades college athletic programs operated at a loss. Without the use of very generous donors many still would. Heck, plenty do. How frustrated were you that the players weren't getting reduced scholarships? I mean, that's not fair, right?
Is it fair that a kid from Delaware who otherwise would never get into Clemson, let alone with all-expenses-paid, does get in and takes the spot of a kid who worked his butt off academically? Is it fair that they get a training table? That they get the best S&C programs money can buy? The best facilities? An academic support building all to themselves? Exposure for the NFL?
No, that's not fair. That's life.
The NCAA isn't a cartel. They aren't stopping anyone from starting a developmental league for high school kids who want to be pro athletes.
Do you realize that 1.7% of college football players play pro after they graduate? 1.7%. The rest use that golden college degree to advance their lives, debt free.
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Re: There's that word again. "Fair." Who told you that life is
Mar 28, 2014, 9:33 AM
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The NCAA and its member institutions are a cartel. A cartel is an agreement among competing firms to reduce competition. That's illegal in this country. The colleges are firms that compete for the services of football players and they have agreed to cap football player compensation.
You don't have to have an absolute monopoly to be a cartel. OPEC is still a cartel even though there are plenty of non-member countries that export oil.
And the fact that some players never go "pro" cuts against your argument. For most, college is the only place they will ever be able to earn market rate compensation for their football services.
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Re: There's that word again. "Fair." Who told you that life is
Mar 28, 2014, 9:37 AM
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And you're right, "fair" isn't the right word. Perhaps I should have said "legal," because agreements in restraint of trade are generally illegal. Fair isn't so much the issue, although I'd argue that it is unfair for cartels to restrain trade, but whatever.
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Not to mention TV money, Endorsement, bowl money***
Mar 26, 2014, 9:14 PM
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Re: Not to mention TV money, Endorsement, bowl money***
Mar 26, 2014, 9:23 PM
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Tiger,
You are clueless as to what it takes to operate the program. Your clueless about business in general it seems. Do some research on "NET" and "GROSS"
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Maybe so Palmetto
Mar 26, 2014, 9:29 PM
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But I also know when someone is getting hosed, and that someone is an elite D1 football player
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Re: Maybe so Palmetto
Mar 26, 2014, 9:32 PM
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Yeah they get fed at training tables, trained by some of the best personal trainers in the world, workout in some of the best equipped gyms in the country, get free clothes, free trips around the country, don't pay for the hotel rooms on those trips, free education on top of that.
Yeah they really get "hosed."
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Re: Maybe so Palmetto
Mar 27, 2014, 7:46 AM
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Not to mention training, rehab (if needed), and publicity.
How would they showcase their talent to the pros without what the colleges provide?
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Re: Maybe so Palmetto
Mar 27, 2014, 4:50 PM
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I'm sorry, that all sounds like the cost of doing business to me. NFL teams do the same things for their players but no one sits around and acts like that is compensation for the players.
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Re: Maybe so Palmetto
Mar 26, 2014, 9:35 PM
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If the elite D1 football player does not like the deal - then don't go to college. Chances are - they don't belong in school anyway (if they don't understand the value of the education they are getting.)
Before you say they are "allowed to go pro - then change that rule and let the 2 players a year that are gifted enough to be ready for pros to go. Have a great time in your one year in the NFL before you realize you should have gotten an education.
so tell me again - how are they hosed?
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Re: Maybe so Palmetto
Mar 26, 2014, 10:04 PM
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If colleges decide they don't won't to sponsor any athletic program under the pay the player plan, who gets hosed then. The student athlete, that's who. We carry kids in our program that will never play a down other than mop up. Do you think that would happen under a pay the player scam. H&ll no. It will hurt a lot of athletic students. Out of the one that do play, how many make the pros, 1 out of 20. What do the ones that don't go pro without their college education they could have gotten in today's system. HS would have to start paying college grade coaches for kids to have better chances. That will never happen on HS budgets....
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What about the not ELITE D1 player?***
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They have no choice.
Mar 26, 2014, 9:37 PM
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A minor league would be a choice. Baseball had one, why not football?
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Yeah that would work. What happens to kids that don't get
Mar 26, 2014, 9:58 PM
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"drafted?"
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Or the ones that have to give up football due to health
Mar 26, 2014, 10:01 PM
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issues with no education to fall back on, then decide to go back to school only to have to pay for it.
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That's not colleges' fault nor should it be their problem. ****
Mar 27, 2014, 3:06 PM
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No one pays to watch the band***
Mar 26, 2014, 9:53 PM
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I bet the band puts in 40 hour weeks
Mar 26, 2014, 10:01 PM
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Some students spend 40 hours a week in Cooper Library!
No one pays to watch Clemson golf, but they are athletes, too.
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The only people I think that should be paid are those that bring in revenue.***
Mar 26, 2014, 10:04 PM
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Re: The only people I think that should be paid are those that bring in revenue.***
Mar 26, 2014, 10:06 PM
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You think they should be paid a percentage of the revenue their sport brings in, or just even across the board at all university sports that bring in even $1 of revenue?
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Will that be net of the expenses they cost?
Mar 26, 2014, 10:07 PM
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As I pointed out earlier, the amount of money 85 scholarship players on NW's team would make would be 19k with only game revenue.
At most with the TV and apparel revenue they might make 40k, which is still 5k less than what you said tuition was. So wouldn't that make them 5k in the red to begin with?
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Re: And if they don't leave with a degree
Mar 26, 2014, 10:17 PM
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If idiots screw it up with the pay the player cash, they won't get a second chance to turn it back, bank on it!!! Colleges don't get the sports money, the money goes to keep up all the programs. Change it to where that can't be the case, and there won't be any college sports. They are not going to tell kids we don't offer your sport b/c it don't make money.
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Re: The only people I think that should be paid are those that bring in revenue.***
Mar 26, 2014, 10:10 PM
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Not to mention you bring up the question of who gets paid what?
Does a Sammy Watkins make more than a freshman player?
What is the gap between the player viewed as the #1 player vs. #85 player on "scholarship," and that also brings up the point of walk-on players, they probably will go away as well, or want to be paid too.
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Don't let them and watch how quick they beg to change their
Mar 26, 2014, 10:13 PM
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Let them choose, scholarship or paycheck. See how long that
Mar 26, 2014, 10:15 PM
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if they receive pay they also can be fired
Mar 26, 2014, 10:15 PM
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I wonder what they'll do if they don't like something...strike?
then they will lose the tv/bowl/tourney money, then what?
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Do we get to try out for the replacement team when they
Mar 26, 2014, 10:16 PM
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go on strike?
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If they are employed do they even have to go to school.***
Mar 26, 2014, 10:17 PM
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I'd say if school owns teams they'll have to attend
Mar 26, 2014, 10:20 PM
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classes. Part of being part of school.
if they miss classes, then they're fired or ALL schools will go ivy league and let the unions find their own league
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Re: I'd say if school owns teams they'll have to attend
Mar 26, 2014, 10:21 PM
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this would put the SEc out of business!!
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I say if unions are formed all conf will go
Mar 26, 2014, 10:23 PM
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small schools will have to leave the big boy conferences.
I also think other sports will suffer, if you have to pay rowing, golf, tennis etc..sports that don't generate rev.
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Re: Fines
Mar 26, 2014, 10:27 PM
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I've brought up the trainers part, ole woods doesn't respond to things like that
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The fact that there are walk-ons
Mar 26, 2014, 10:17 PM
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Should prove scholarship players are fairly compensated. Funny you don't here too many players that would probably benefit from this ruling like Sammy Watkins, Teddy Bridgewater etc. complaining about this. Just the private school kids no one would pay for. Maybe they should realize that the reason there is revenue to speak of is because of fans. Fans that are fans of a school and not of a talented player. If they went to a D league no one would give a crap and they would make nothing.
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Re: So we're going to start paying players now.***
Mar 26, 2014, 10:17 PM
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Very insightful***
Mar 26, 2014, 10:18 PM
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Don't care about the exact details
Mar 26, 2014, 10:19 PM
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But any entity that can pack a 100,000 person coliseum, millions of tv viewers and not get paid is robbery.
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Re: Don't care about the exact details
Mar 26, 2014, 10:26 PM
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What about entities that pack about 300 people into the stadium, like Duke. Are they going to pay their guys like $200 a game while Alabama pays like $2000 a game? Are the both going to pay their guys the same amount even though Duke makes $1 (hypothetically, obviously) of revenue and Alabama makes millions? The details are the most important part of keeping the field relatively level and allowing college sports to function the way they do now, at an amateur level.
Obviously changes need to be made. Scholarships need to be good for four years once extended, oversigning needs to be reigned in, but I think paying players is going down a bad path, especially when you try and figure out the details.
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Re: Don't care about the exact details
Mar 26, 2014, 10:28 PM
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What part of this are you not understanding. With all the money that comes through the gate at Clemson FB games. We still have to have fund raising to get enough money to keep up. The school profits nothing from the athletics. The athletes are the ones right now that are getting the very best end of the money with everything for them is free. Room and board, educational tuition, food, insurance, everything except going out on the town. The parent should have fork over something.
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Re: Don't care about the exact details
Mar 27, 2014, 1:48 PM
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But some parents don't have anything to fork over. I actually think athletes are well compensated. But I think schools could have avoided this by paying a small stipend ($100 or 200 per month) so that students have some incidental money. This is a case where the smaller schools may have ruined things for everyone by not agreeing to any kind of payment over the years.
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I guess, but then the players should
Mar 26, 2014, 10:27 PM
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Receive more money. 50% of revenue. Then they can split costs with the schools on everything.
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Re: I guess, but then the players should
Mar 26, 2014, 10:30 PM
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Does your boss spit 50/50???
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I haven't responded because it's dumb.
Mar 26, 2014, 10:30 PM
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Players are only bringing in millions to the schools. The school should pay for stuff
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What would you say would be a good starting yearly salary
Mar 26, 2014, 10:33 PM
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for a football player at a typical BCS school?
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Re: What would you say would be a good starting yearly salary
Mar 26, 2014, 10:37 PM
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It looks like he is saying 50% of the revenue from the sport should go to the athletes who play it. Being a Duke basketball player would be sweet wouldn't it? Around 15 guys splitting millions of dollars. Schools with smaller fanbases would never be able to compete again. If your stadium holds less than 45k people, you might as well pack it up because you can't pay the same way a Texas, Penn State, Michigan, Alabama, or Ohio State can.
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Re: I haven't responded because it's dumb.
Mar 26, 2014, 10:36 PM
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My wife makes 59k a year. Do you think that could sponsor one FB player at Clemson. His every need and not counting the up keep fee for coaches and stadium. Her 59k wouldn't sponsor a player for a year. The players are being paid.
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Do you know how to respond in line?
Mar 26, 2014, 10:37 PM
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It's hard to see who you're responding to/what about.
Also, again as we point out they are bringing in millions and also costing millions to the school as well.
You have yet to show a way to refute that point. You act like they only make money but do not cost money, which is laughable.
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Re: Do you know how to respond in line?
Mar 26, 2014, 10:43 PM
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what do you expect? That's what people are taught today... ####### handouts.
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The players are the only ones bringing in money
Mar 26, 2014, 10:33 PM
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I watch Clemson football for the paw on the jersey not the man inside.
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Not being a smart ### with this question...I've really tried
Mar 26, 2014, 10:43 PM
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to answer it myself. If the schools completely did away with sport schollies and players actually had to be students first and the quality of the game dropped (you know it would) would fans still follow it.
I think so. I think after a couple of adjustment years, college sports would be almost as big as it is now, because fans follow their schools. And let's face it, the "eliteness" of athletes today is a bit exaggerated.
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Nailed it!
Mar 27, 2014, 4:41 PM
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I watch Clemson for Clemson period exclamation point!
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To keep up...
Mar 26, 2014, 10:33 PM
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With FSU football and coots. But really football is a money maker for Clemson, and if everyone had to pay then we're still on an even playing field.
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Good pay....thinking $45k a year for
Mar 26, 2014, 10:35 PM
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Every scholarship player. Maybe more maybe less.
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Do they remain on scholarship?***
Mar 26, 2014, 10:39 PM
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Re: Good pay....thinking $45k a year for
Mar 26, 2014, 10:42 PM
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So you would pay 45k a year for a college freshman who doesn't see the playing field?
What if he doesn't start by say his junior year? Keep paying him even though you've paid him between 90-135k depending on redshirt status?
I'll say again they are opening up a can of worms that will destroy college football as we know it.
In 2010-2011 Clemson's athletic department made $216,318 in PROFITS. The cost of 85 scholarships at $45k would be 3.825 MILLION.
So where do we cut the 3.78 million that would put us in the loss situation?
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Start charging the players for Gatorade ;-)***
Mar 27, 2014, 2:06 PM
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Do the players make the same salary regardless of performance
Mar 26, 2014, 10:36 PM
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What if a 0-12 team packs the house but a 12-0 team can't
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For the amount of money the schools are making the players could be making millions.
Mar 26, 2014, 10:37 PM
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But the school has been sucking on the teet of football too long for that to happen.
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Millions huh?
Mar 26, 2014, 10:44 PM
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That is financially IMPOSSIBLE.
The schools could not sustain football programs or any other type of athletic programs with that kind of price tag.
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You think the kids at northwestern could be making millions
Mar 26, 2014, 10:40 PM
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How? Where?
Lol thread over.
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Yes, scholarship. Part of the package.
Mar 26, 2014, 10:43 PM
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Or they could get rid of the student athlete and just use them as athlete and double their pay. We'd have a lot of players stay for 5 years and skip the draft and stay 5 years
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Re: Yes, scholarship. Part of the package.
Mar 26, 2014, 10:45 PM
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Actually the 5 years thing is based on the scholarships. You have 5 years to play 4 so they probably do away with the redshirt because paying a player 45k+ to just practice is a ridiculous notion.
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Not impossible if football was a standalone
Mar 26, 2014, 10:46 PM
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business without other programs taking handouts
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Charlie Whitehurst has made millions
Mar 26, 2014, 10:48 PM
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and he hasn't played at all. Giving $45k to a freshmen is nothing.
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Re: Charlie Whitehurst has made millions
Mar 26, 2014, 10:50 PM
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It looks like you basically want pro college football. Fans don't want that. If you want pro, watch pro. Having kids decide what school to go to based on compensation given from a percentage of revenue from the sport they play would kill college athletics as they are today.
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And 85 on scholarship could be reduced to 75
Mar 26, 2014, 10:49 PM
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So we just get to randomly choose where the wealth is
Mar 26, 2014, 10:50 PM
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The schools are making to much so take it from them. The non-revenue sports are just getting a handout so take it from them. I can not understand this logic.
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Re: So we're going to start paying players now.
Mar 26, 2014, 10:54 PM
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They are slitting their own throats and they don't even know it...are these REALLY college educated kids?!!!
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Should clean up the recruiting...we'll also need a draft...
Mar 27, 2014, 2:42 PM
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...order for the colleges. Need parity and such.
Boy is this going to rub the rubard of the SEC boys.
I love it!
Now we can get down to the SERIOUS BUSINESS, FOR PROFIT, AND ALL THE GREEDY CAPITALISM YOU CAN POSSIBLY STAND IN ONE SEASON!
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The general stupidity in this thread is hard to read.
Mar 27, 2014, 2:50 PM
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Players get paid in scholarships. If they don't like it, then they should go form their own minor league team. Plain and simple. They are student athletes at the college, WHICH NORMAL PEOPLE PAY JUST TO ATTEND CLASSES. Why should these people get to attend classes for free, be celebrities with free publicity to multimillion dollar companies that want to hire them, get access to professional trainers and training facilities (also FOR FREE), AND get paid more money on top of that?
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College football IS the minor leagues for the NFL.
Mar 27, 2014, 3:05 PM
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That's the main problem. These elite football players have no where else to go. Elite baseball players have a choice, basketball is one and done. But football....you're stuck in college for 3 years. No other options.
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Your other option is to train on your own.
Mar 27, 2014, 3:06 PM
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Glad you finally learned to properly reply.
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That's not an option and now you're being selfish.
Mar 27, 2014, 3:09 PM
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Players have every right to negotiate.
I was on my phone. The app doesn't respond correctly.
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Oculus Spirit [81628]
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Use the desktop version of the site while on your phone.
Mar 27, 2014, 3:11 PM
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Works better than the "mobile" anyway.
And it an option. Are they not allowed to go to Arena Football, or Canadian leagues?
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Re: Use the desktop version of the site while on your phone.
Mar 27, 2014, 3:14 PM
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> Works better than the "mobile" anyway.
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> And it an option. Are they not allowed to go to
> Arena Football, or Canadian leagues?
I don't know. What are Canadien and arena rules?
Also, the NFL is in cahoots with college football. College football provides a free minor league for the NFL. NFL makes 3 year rules to help college football.
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Oh cool, now we can
Mar 27, 2014, 4:47 PM
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get the NFL to pay the universities. This is getting good!
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Re: So we're going to start paying players now.
Mar 28, 2014, 9:42 AM
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Spurrier agrees with it. He wants to hand out money to his players and to his potential future Coots....oh wait he does that already. Never you mind.
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just think 5- 4 yr. degree's,they'll be retirement eligible.
Mar 28, 2014, 9:59 AM
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state employee's by proxy, when they work for the university.
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