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Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?
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Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 12, 2021, 7:13 PM

On a scale of one to ten I am about at: 8. 1 BTW - is not worried at all. 10. Almost Can't sleep At Night Worried.

I am worried about this position a bit. Taisun would really have to grow in terms of skill set from now until fall camp for me not to be. I think DJU will be just fine. Despite what some people think our RB group is going to be deep and talented. WR is going to be sick with depth. TE we already know has good competitive depth. OL has to get better - but they got their bumps and bruises this season! Let's hope they come back bigger and more capable of being dominant for what Clemson's ultimate goal will be. Because the Tigers won't get there without that group improving.

But, QB's get dinged. Even behind good OL's QB's get dinged sometimes.
We saw a sample size vs. GT of what Hunter Helms could do. Was that enough to give him the ball? Taison was a former 4 star QB. HH was a 2 star QB I believe - but yes - he did look better! And, forget stars if you have that "it factor"! I couldn't care less if he is effective - just pointing out - do you give up on Taison? How does the battle for back up QB look?

Thoughts?

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 12, 2021, 7:16 PM

10- Great Post!

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I don’t think we have seen enough of Taisun to decide.


Jan 12, 2021, 7:21 PM

Thus far, he hasn’t looked very comfortable, especially in the passing game. I attribute that to a lack of game experience.

By all accounts, he’s a talented player and great young man. I’d love to see him take firm control of the #2 QB position and get some meaningful snaps next year.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 12, 2021, 7:25 PM

My biggest fear is keeping them both on the bench and out of the portal

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 12, 2021, 8:17 PM


My biggest fear is keeping them both on the bench and out of the portal




Good Point! Hadn't thought about that possibility; but that's a very real potential problem!

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I know the schedule is not out yet but who are we playing in


Jan 12, 2021, 7:38 PM

2021 ?

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georgia , sc state, u conn and the coots


Jan 12, 2021, 8:20 PM

i think we play nc state as well


source for the first four

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa-2021/team/clemson


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It's up at the top of the positional worries going into next


Jan 12, 2021, 7:38 PM

year for me, but I'm not losing any sleep over it. I will give it a 8, tied with o-line for top of the list. I think back to the Chase Brice/Syracuse game. I don't know that this team wins that game. Don't have the running back, don't have the o-line, and don't have the backup QB. Hopefully we can work on these in the spring and be in a better position in the fall! Go Tigers!

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Re: It's up at the top of the positional worries going into next


Jan 12, 2021, 8:22 PM

Lakedude® said:

year for me, but I'm not losing any sleep over it. I will give it a 8, tied with o-line for top of the list. I think back to the Chase Brice/Syracuse game. I don't know that this team wins that game. Don't have the running back, don't have the o-line, and don't have the backup QB. Hopefully we can work on these in the spring and be in a better position in the fall! Go Tigers!




Right there with you!

It's the top of my list! I think the OL can't help but be improved with a year under their collective belts.
Also, it was fairly apparent it was a sore spot. The emphasis I have to think started as soon as the Sugar Bowl game ended on fixing the OL.

I think the Syracuse game we won and the Syracuse game we lost! Back Up QB played a huge role. Look at this past season as well! With DJU in the offense; we didn't miss a beat!

Would that have been the case with Hunter Helms or Taison Phomachan?

But, yeah, all other positions including the entire defense are worry free for me! We should be solid all over the defense in every position.

1. back up QB.
2. OL improvement/ depth

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Not worried, Michael Carr & Billy Luckie both got an extra year.


Jan 12, 2021, 7:52 PM



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Good Problem to Have Most Other Top 5 Don't Even Have


Jan 12, 2021, 8:33 PM

an Experienced starter: Bama, Cuckeyes etc. And don't tell me UGHEY has a QB their team is always overrated because Turdby wears a visor.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?***


Jan 12, 2021, 8:37 PM



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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 12, 2021, 8:42 PM

Zero. With a combined income of $15M plus per year, I'm counting on Dabo, Tony and Streeter to work it out and coach the backup.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 1:06 AM

Probably about a 5...,

I have full confidence in DJU of course...

But TP is a concern, but to be fair none of us have seen him play much ...I have to say that nitpicking TP is a sign of where the program is at, and the progress that’s been made ...before Tajh Boyd ...We’d have been delighted with a talent like TP...

Helms doesn’t have the potential of TP (based on recruiting rankings at least)


I really wish Bubba Chandler was enrolling early .... reading up on how he slipped through the cracks with recruiting services (baseball, not camping as much, injuries, etc) ~ I think we’ll be surprised on what he brings to the table...

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 9:57 AM

You better hope Chandler actually makes it to campus. (Mostly for the sake of the baseball team)

If he trends up anymore on the baseball diamond then he will be headed straight to pro baseball instead of to Clemson.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 10:17 AM

I don't have access to the baseball prep sites, but I do believe he's a top 100. If he can grade out in top 50 then he'll get his 2 mil that he wants.

Which, if TP were to transfer, does that give him extra incentive to stick with FB knowing he may have a realistic chance at being the 2 this year... Even with the late enrollment.

Would have been nice to see more meaningful snaps from helms.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 10:26 AM

I believe somewhere around the 37th pick is where the slot money goes from above to below the 2 million mark.

Now that doesn't mean that somebody taking him around 45-50 couldn't try to pay over slot for him and move some money around, but in terms of slot money he would have to be early portion of the second round to get his money.

I'm hoping with a full college season that lots of guys who wanted to stay an extra year are going to fill up the early picks this draft and push down some of the high school kids are trending upward.

I don't know what Taylor's dollar amount is but he could very easily be in the same category as far as worrying Monte and Dabo about getting him on campus.

I don't think being the #2 QB would entice Chandler to come to school, but I think the football offers for each have made it a much tougher decision depending on where they get drafted.

As we saw with Kyler Murray, the baseball money might be large up front but there are a lot more guarantees with the football contracts. If either kids thinks they have a chance at the NFL it could be enough to make them test the water with Clemson football.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 1:14 PM

Thanks. You guys would have an awesome sports radio sports discussion station. I'd gladly buy a subscription !!!!

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 9:57 AM [ in reply to Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U? ]

Lol. This is a hilarious viewpoint.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 8:59 AM

After Taisun
Hunter Helms was a 3 star and got a little game experience and we picked up another three star this cycle Bubba Chandler. I think Will Taylor from dutch fork played some QB as well?

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Jan 13, 2021, 10:08 AM

nuffin taworryabout

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Based on recent history


Jan 13, 2021, 9:53 AM

I'm worried that Taisun is going to transfer. To anyone who says "you're crazy, no he won't", look at Chase Brice, Kelly Bryant, Zerrick Cooper, Hunter Johnson and Tucker Israel. LITERALLY EVERY QUARTERBACK ON THE ROSTER FROM 2017 TRANSFERRED. They're very talented guys, but they weren't as talented as Deshaun, and then they weren't as talented as Trevor. Now Taisun isn't as talented as DJ, so we'll see what happens.

If Taisun stays around (obviously my preference) then I'm not worried at all. If he does transfer, then yeah, I'm VERY worried, because DJ is the only guy we've brought in over the last two classes above a 3-star, and if he goes down, it's the Hunter Helms or Bubba Chandler show, and the latter didn't enroll early.

I trust the coaches but the room simply isn't gonna be as loaded as it usually is.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 9:56 AM

1. I think we have such an easy schedule afte rthe first game that we will be fine no matter what happens.

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10!


Jan 13, 2021, 10:00 AM

We are an ACL injury away from 10-2 or 9-3 season!

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 10:06 AM

You should hold off on your worry factor for anything football related until late July.

The only exception to this is if some news of a departure presents itself prior to that point.

The only thing the football players are concerned with right now is getting settled into their new semester classes so fans worrying about their on-field development is a little early.

If you do choose to worry, there are positions where we don't know who will be on the field as a starter that are much more of a worry than who will stand next to Dabo waiting to go in if somebody if hurt.

As far as backup QB, if you still make it that far down the list, we have to hope TP stays at Clemson and develops. I still maintain that he is Kelly Bryant all over again which is good news for Clemson heading to next season because we saw a large jump from year 2 to year 3 in terms of throwing the ball "well enough" by Bryant.

Helms is still a complete unknown despite his game vs GT. My biggest question would be whether or not he has the arm strength to slip into a game where the WRs are running routes designed for DJs arm. This could be true for TP as well though so not a slight to Helms.

Don't count on either '21 QB signee doing anything just yet because there are no guarantees that either will ever set foot on campus. Both players are rocketing up baseball draft boards and big springs could lead them in a different direction.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 10:10 AM

Less than 1. Out of my control until games start, then I just jedi mind focus on keeping DJ healthy.

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3/10


Jan 13, 2021, 10:14 AM

I'm not gonna get that worried about any backup spot.

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Taisun hasn't played with the 1's enough to know


Jan 13, 2021, 10:46 AM

We couldn't see how good DJU was until he was with the 1's. Mop up, clear the bench duty with guys just learning the playbook does little to display the talents of a signal caller. I am concerned about the drop off in arm strength from TL/DJU and TP, but his running ability might be the best of all 3- well can't say he is faster than TL... but his arm is not nearly as strong. just a reminder of ALA and QB's like their #10... good OL, play calling and RB, WR talent, make up for a lot.

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The thing with Taisun is the ball just didn't even look good


Jan 13, 2021, 11:09 AM

coming out of his hand. There was no zip on the ball and half of his throws were wobbling ducks. I just don't think the arm talent is there. He only attempted 17 passes last year, and they were all with other reserves on the field, but he only completed 5 of those 17 passes for a total of 17 yards. That's about as bad as it gets.

In a similar (but still very limited) sample size, Hunter Helms looked much better.

I will be curious to see if he looks any better in the spring scrimmages, but I don't really have my hopes up at this point.

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Jan 13, 2021, 12:45 PM

You are correct! DJU - when he threw it you could tell "kid has an arm"! Same with Trevor and Deshaun. You knew right away K. Bryant did not have the same arm talent. No knock on him; because as mentioned already; if you are superior in OL, WR, TE and RB you can still make a QB look good. Assuming they can at least throw on time.

Haven not seen him with the ones - I agree - you kind of have to reserve judgement! But, Zerrick Cooper was another example of someone who did not "look the part" when given an opportunity. Z. Cooper had a cannon of an arm - but the rest of what it takes just never manifested itself. Was he given a fair shot? I think so.

But, each of the past few seasons, multiple teams including our beloved Tigers will end up having to win a game or two or more with a back up QB. Knowing that - I don't see how some people are not concerned from a fan point of view. Nothing you can do about it - "I get that"!
Just as a fan and for message board talk - "it's concerning"!

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Re: The thing with Taisun is the ball just didn't even look good


Jan 13, 2021, 12:58 PM

Some guys just take longer than others.

You mentioned Zerrick Cooper.

Clemson would have been more than happy to have 2019 or 2020 Zerrick Cooper as a reserve QB.

If you have seen him play at JSU, he is much improved from the version that we got to see while he was at Clemson.

Obviously he would not have been better than DJ this season, but he was a kid that would have been a strong QB as a 4th and 5th year player had we not been blessed with Trevor (who sent ZC heading for the portal) and DJ following that.

I'm not yet sure if TP falls into that category, but struggling in years 1 and 2 doesn't always mean a kid can't get the job done.

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Jan 13, 2021, 6:21 PM

TigersO Ok. I hadn't heard much about Cooper since he left. Good to hear he is doing well at his new school.

I am with you on that. KBryant - had waited his turn and knew the offense and was a guy who you could use to beat "Duke" or "Wake"! But, his arm talent was going to be good enough to beat the elite teams. Especially in a bowl situation where they have extra time to game plan and prep.

Zerrick Coopers arm strength however was unquestioned! He was reported to have one of the best arms some former H.S. Coach that had been around 3 decades "had ever seen coming out of H.S."! And, from the few passes I saw that was true; he had a cannon.

It would have been interesting to see how he would have progressed. I don't see him surpassing Trevor or DJU obviously - but not many can. But rather, did he improve? Will he leave a better QB than when he came?
Heck John Wolford "didn't even start at Wake Forrest" but is now a multi-year pro! And, he started a playoff game! Wake Forrest ya'll. Surely, a Clemson back up could do that as well. The NFL is starving for strong arms and willing ( targets ) QB's who can spin it.

We will never know!

I guess - I have seen too much football over the years! I am worried about back up QB. LOL! But, if you were to ask our coaches; I would bet that's very high on the priority list of things to develop and address! Because you literally are always just a play away from having to rely on this position in a big way! If we had not National Title aspirations - "no big deal"! But, that's not the case for Clemson now! One or two games that we have a bad back up could cost us the opportunity!
That's the issue really - not who gets it necessarily!

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Re: The thing with Taisun is the ball just didn't even look good


Jan 13, 2021, 1:54 PM [ in reply to The thing with Taisun is the ball just didn't even look good ]

Henry, I don't think the coaches are real concerned with "mop up" duty and what happens. Even when the ones are off (given its not the last 3 minutes of a game) , we're still running our offense. E.g.. Dukes may miss a cut and the backup ol miss a block but with the QB, did he make the correct read, even if he only picks up a yard. Same with the pass, did he run his progressions, throw to correct spot etc and then as all these experts have said, how did it look. So I think you can learn a lot from mop up.

Hunter threw a beautiful ball but he just wasn't able to pick up the playbook or something. Poor fella struggled at NW.

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Re: Scale of 1 to 10 How Worried about back up QB Spot R. U?


Jan 13, 2021, 7:34 PM

As long as we have Chase Brice, I’m at a negative 3.

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