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Cade Klubnik
Oct 23, 2022, 10:49 PM
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Ok, I like the kid, he has a lot of potential.. but to say he came in and rallied the team to a win is a little bit of a stretch.. 2/4 with one PI and the 2 point conversion.. he handed off the ball without making a mistake.. one good run for 11 yards nothing like Chase did ...
I'm not sure why are defense waits until the second half to play to their potential.. it'd be nice to see a full game from them..
I would have liked for them to give Mafah a couple of carries towards the end so he could have his 100 yard game.. he deserved that..
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 23, 2022, 10:58 PM
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We all hear the talk about our back4 or 5 being bad and inexperienced. But our linebackers are not as good as previous years from what I've seen. Trotter let QB Schrader get outside of him for that big run to get to the 7 yrd line. And then Simpson did the exact same thing and let the QB get outside and score from the 7 yard line.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 23, 2022, 11:22 PM
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We all hear the talk about our back4 or 5 being bad and inexperienced. But our linebackers are not as good as previous years from what I've seen. Trotter let QB Schrader get outside of him for that big run to get to the 7 yrd line. And then Simpson did the exact same thing and let the QB get outside and score from the 7 yard line.
Maybe you did not realize that Barrett was out. Our LBs are the quickest we have had since '89.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 12:03 AM
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What good is speed if you take the wrong angle or let the runner get outside of you.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 1:26 AM
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Just spitballing here, but speed might be good for, I don’t know, maybe running them down from behind? Maybe? But you’re right, without SEC Speed™ like the coots have, because they are soooo SEC, running so fast in their SEC Big Boy Pants, it’s hopeless.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 11:53 AM
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You need to get out on the field and coach em up. Obviously our coaches are not living up to your expectations.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 12:08 PM
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Didn't help our defensive leader in Carter was out
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 2:45 PM
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This comment is getting downvoted but he's right. Simpson got burned pretty bad on that QB keeper for a TD.
Skalski and Spector/Boulware weren't as good a athletes as we have at LB this year. But they were always in the right position. I think Dabo has even said this in some form this year.
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Okay. Your opinion. Honestly, Chase got a great deal of
Oct 23, 2022, 11:00 PM
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credit for his performance when he threw an absolute prayer that Renfrow miraculously twisted and grabbed to move the chains and then he mainly handed off to ETN (and Feaster) to supplement the one heroic throw to Tee Higgins that is now burned into everyone’s mind.
Give credit where credit is due. Cade came in and provided a spark where none was evident before. He was quicker in his feet than DJ and made the defense react differently, opening up other good things leading to the come back. We don’t win if Cade doesn’t come in the game when he did.
He showed he’s capable of playing winning ball for Clemson and that’s a comforting thought even though DJ will still get the start at Notre Dame.
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Re: Okay. Your opinion. Honestly, Chase got a great deal of
Oct 23, 2022, 11:32 PM
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credit for his performance when he threw an absolute prayer that Renfrow miraculously twisted and grabbed to move the chains and then he mainly handed off to ETN (and Feaster) to supplement the one heroic throw to Tee Higgins that is now burned into everyone’s mind.
Give credit where credit is due. Cade came in and provided a spark where none was evident before. He was quicker in his feet than DJ and made the defense react differently, opening up other good things leading to the come back. We don’t win if Cade doesn’t come in the game when he did.
He showed he’s capable of playing winning ball for Clemson and that’s a comforting thought even though DJ will still get the start at Notre Dame.
A little dramatic, but okay, your opinion. Call it a spark if you want, but we would have been stopped on both drives if not for penalties. Late hit out of bounds, personal foul and the late PI. Look I am glad we have a capable backup, but these folks will #### and moan no matter what. When DJ is gone and Cade is starting, they will be crying "put Chris V. In"
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Re: Okay. Your opinion. Honestly, Chase got a great deal of
Oct 24, 2022, 1:23 AM
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Seriously, what spark? All he did was hand the ball off, mostly. he did nothing great. he wasn't asked too either. I'm happy for him, but saying he provided a spark is stretching it
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So, the course of the game changing radically after three
Oct 24, 2022, 9:43 AM
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very frustrating and pretty fruitless quarters of play as soon as Cade comes in is not providing a “spark”?
You can point to anything you want to as the catalyst for the “spark” but the fact remains that it all happened after Cade came in the game ... and it wasn’t happening before.
You probably think changing pitchers in baseball has no impact on the other team too. Right?
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Re: So, the course of the game changing radically after three
Oct 24, 2022, 12:39 PM
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I personally agree. The offense was stuck in the mud. Thought Cade brought some much needed energy to that side of the ball.
I like DJ but Cade is more than capable given more reps with the first team.
Got to be tough to come in and play 1-2 series and people making decisions on ability or potential.
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Re: Okay. Your opinion. Honestly, Chase got a great deal of
Oct 24, 2022, 10:19 AM
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I don’t think the spark came from anything he did but from the potential of him keeping it and running… the defense probably focused to much on Cade. Also I believe after seeing DJ pulled lit a little extra spark under all other starters.
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How can anyone question the tone of the game didn't change dramatically
Oct 24, 2022, 10:33 AM
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when Cade came it. It was 21-10 when he came in, and the game finished on a 17-0 spurt, in one quarter. In sports terms, that is no doubt a "spark".
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Re: Okay. Your opinion. Honestly, Chase got a great deal of
Oct 24, 2022, 1:21 PM
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You're the one whining. If you can't see the difference in intensity the team played with, or that Shipley had his run because the fast tempo (which only Cade can do), then I can't help you.
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Re: Okay. Your opinion. Honestly, Chase got a great deal of
Oct 24, 2022, 6:53 AM
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Everyone tends to forget the long run Chase had right after the throw to Tee. That was just as important to that game winning drive IMO. Then he handed it to ETN to finish it. Plus at that point we didn’t have any other option because TL was injured. Totally different scenarios.
I like what Cade did Saturday. It was the perfect opportunity to get him some meaningful playing time and he did well. Heroic, probably not.
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I didn’t say he was “heroic”, just said he provided a spark
Oct 24, 2022, 9:47 AM
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If the opponent had a week to prepare for Cade, it might be totally different, but the change of pace was like changing pitchers in baseball. It gave a different look. It forced adjustments by the opponent and opened up things for the running game.
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Re: Okay. Your opinion. Honestly, Chase got a great deal of
Oct 24, 2022, 12:21 PM
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All I know is we most likely don't win the game and don't make the playoffs if they kept DJ in there. Like Chase, it will only be considered "heroic" if we go on from here and win a National Championship.
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Re: Okay. Your opinion. Honestly, Chase got a great deal of
Oct 24, 2022, 9:52 AM
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Chase Brice is older than Trevor Lawrence is during his second season in the NFL and his team lost to Texas State.
Sure, he made one miraculous throw but that's all it was. I'm tried of people acting like he deserves a monument.
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Re: Okay. Your opinion. Honestly, Chase got a great deal of
Oct 24, 2022, 12:23 PM
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If Chase didn't come in and play well enough for us to win that game, we don't make the playoffs and we don't go on to win the National Championship that year. That is why Chase gets the credit and Clemson legacy he deserves.
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He led us to scores which won the game.
Oct 23, 2022, 11:24 PM
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He didn’t make any serious mistakes. DJ had a terrible game and we would have lost the game had Dabo not made the switch. I’m not a DJ hater. I just think Dabo knows exactly what he’s doing.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 23, 2022, 11:58 PM
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Yes, Cade handed off without making a mistake. DJ regressed in his hand offs. One led to a 98 yard scoop and score. On another he looked like he was about to hand it off to no one in particular. Handing the ball off successfully is kind of important. And Cade does seem to get it in the gut a fraction of a second quicker.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 7:33 AM
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The indecision bug bit DJ Saturday (again). Hopefully he can fix it like he did over the summer. He has two weeks to get his head right. I thought Klubnik was competent Saturday. He plays with a little more urgency than DJ does and I think the team responds to it.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 11:59 AM
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The indecision bug bit DJ Saturday (again). Hopefully he can fix it like he did over the summer. He has two weeks to get his head right. I thought Klubnik was competent Saturday. He plays with a little more urgency than DJ does and I think the team responds to it.
Your message is a reflection of your screen name. It’s amazing how upset and thrown off narrative the usual posters are about DJs regression. We all knew it could read its ugly head and it finally did. It’s like herpes with him, it’s never totally gone. I wouldn’t write Cade off quite yet guys. If DJ doesn’t get himself back mentally or whatever caused this chaotic performance, he will be right back on the bench. Oddly enough, you kind of get the feeling he doesn’t mind at all.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 10:21 AM
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The injury to DJ’s hand probably led to most of his struggling
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Nah. It was his left hand and that happened well into the game.
Oct 24, 2022, 10:39 AM
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DJ's funk started after his 1st INT and turned real bad after the fumble 6. He was done after the fumble and Dabo finally had enough after the 2nd INT.
No issue trying to defend DJ, but a cut on top of his left hand had nothing to do with it.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 12:01 PM
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It was his left hand. It seems there is no rhyme or reason to his performance Saturday. Only thing certain about it, is that it looked VERY familiar.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 12:22 AM
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The Syr. OL was holding the entire 1st half also. Very sad the ACC officials ignore obvious violations. In saying that, I think we got away with a big penalty when Trotter shoved Shrader when both were clearly out of bounds.
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Shrader was not out of bounds! On the other hand, Klubnik was!
Oct 24, 2022, 8:11 AM
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Re: Shrader was not out of bounds! On the other hand, Klubnik was!
Oct 24, 2022, 8:16 AM
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He was out of bounds when the extra shove was done, but you are also right about Trotter having his hands on him well before they went out of bounds, which I think masked the push. Cade was clearly not hit until he was on the chalk.
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No, he wasn't. No shove after out of bounds.
Oct 24, 2022, 10:30 AM
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Hence it wasn't called. (Most) everyone saw Shrader took a dive. That crap may work in basketball, but not football.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 8:23 AM
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Two officials threw flags on the Klubnik hit as he was out of bounds when he got the business.
No officials threw flags on Trotter as the play originated in bounds with Shrader pushed out of bounds.
That one play drew two flags and the other none is pretty telling of what the officials were seeing on the field at the time. They obviously weren't the same play as many have tried to make them out to be.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 1:19 AM
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Maybe the Defense get going in the 2nd half because the refs start calling Holding on our opponents in the 2nd half. In the first half, the refs allow other teams to hold us.
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Sorry but you cannot ignore...
Oct 24, 2022, 1:40 AM
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that DJ was a flaming disaster and we had two consecutive touchdown drives immediately when he left and Cade came in. The first drive was 15 plays.
If Cade had not replaced DJ, we would have lost. Simple as that.
Either (1) Cade rallied the team, (2) DJ leaving rallied the team or (3) some of both.
Preparing Cade to take over now becomes a priority. DJ can't lead this team to a championship. Maybe the same for Cade but we might be forced to give him that chance.
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Sometimes it really is that simple...One QB accounted for 7
Oct 24, 2022, 1:48 AM
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points and 3 turnovers, the other led us to 19 points and 0 turnovers...It's not that hard to figure out
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Re: Sometimes it really is that simple...One QB accounted for 7
Oct 24, 2022, 3:25 AM
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First off, I agree DJ is our starter, but Cade played well and will likely see more action in future games. I noticed the very first snap to him was hard and high. It scared me with him just getting in, but he handled it well. Then don't forget the scramble and great throw on the two-point conversion. Nothing wrong with Cade giving DJ a break when he's having trouble.
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By your method, it's actually net (-14) for DJ...
Oct 25, 2022, 12:32 AM
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I view the fumble as (-14) because instead of being up 14-7 we were down 14-7. He also he threw an interception that cost us a FG attempt (-3). Lastly, we kicked a FG just before the half (+3).
(-14) + (-3) + 3 = (-14)
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Re: Sorry but you cannot ignore...
Oct 24, 2022, 12:33 PM
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DJ's play through the first 7 games was more than enough to allow us to contend for a National Championship. The 8th game was not. If DJ just gets back on track we can still compete but the reality is we need all 3 phases of the game to be consistent throughout 4 quarters which is something we haven't shown in any game so far.
To me, producing in all 4 quarters is the biggest concern I have and the one thing that will hold us back more than any other if we can't figure it out.
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Pretty weak troll effort - coot.
Oct 24, 2022, 6:47 AM
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You should be focusing on you guys being ranked and coming to the valley.
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24-10 Cuse when Cade first entered the game.
Oct 24, 2022, 8:20 AM
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What was the final score?
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I can see where you're coming from
Oct 24, 2022, 8:22 AM
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I think Cade benefitted from a few factors when he came in.
1 - Shipley was in full beast mode trying to make up for his fumble 2 series earlier
2 - Our OL was absolutely bludgeoning the Syracuse DL and their entire defense was worn down
But you have to give Cade a lot of credit - he didn't let the moment overwhelm him. His 2nd play they easily could've called a handoff but instead had him roll out and throw (complete). He didn't make many mistakes (he did luckily recover his fumble). Overall he looked decisive and led us to three straight scores.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 9:07 AM
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Give him credit, as Dabo said, he provided a spark and didn’t turn the ball over. Though a probable unpopular opinion, had things remained the same, we would have lost the game. This due to Cades run threat and not continually turning the ball over. Is he ready to start, probably not however, given his very limited playing time, he did well. It was a team win.
Go Tigers !!!
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 9:32 AM
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I agree. Considering his lack of playing time, he did great. I wish he had been able to play more, this year, but that was a pretty tough spot to put a true freshman QB in. The fact that he didn't make any big mistakes to lose the game is the biggest thing. DJ was killing us.
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Klubnik completely changed the mood of the game. The funk
Oct 24, 2022, 9:13 AM
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lifted as soon as he came on the field. And, while his stat line may not have been impressive, his scrambling ability kept several plays alive, where DJ would have gone down. Most notably the two point conversion, which was a thing of scrambling beauty with an on target bullet at the end.
Momentum is a thing. It changed sides when Cade hit the field. No doubt about that.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 9:18 AM
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It would be nice to see a complete game in all 3 phases at this point in the season vs still figuring it out!
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Cade led us to a decisive comeback
Oct 24, 2022, 9:33 AM
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after we were down and not in a good rhythm. He deserves a lot of credit for that.
I agree that it was a TEAM effort, and a TEAM win.
I don't expect the coaches to give Mafah extra opportunities unless Shipley is hurt. The coaches love them some Shipley.
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Shipley is better than Mafah. Both are great. The touches
Oct 24, 2022, 9:56 AM
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are being divided appropriately.
Glad we have the two of them to compliment each other, but Shipley is a better RB with the knack (and the determination) for getting to the sticks and over the goal line.
They are a perfect complimentary pair in the tradition of James Davis and CJ Spiller.
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Mrs Brownlee doesn't really understand football at all, but
Oct 24, 2022, 10:48 AM
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she just can't help but troll and try desperately to shoot holes in the best sports program in school history. She's hoping for football failures because, well, misery loves company.
Mrs Brownlee will be busy desperately defending her husband here shortly, so at least there's that.
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I agree, they are a good one-two punch.
Oct 24, 2022, 12:07 PM
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My post wasn't a knock on Shipley at all, but it does seem clear that the coaches strongly favor him over Mafah. On average, Shipley gets about twice as many carries and three times as many passes thrown his way this year.
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He did a great job of getting hit OB and handing off***
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Rock Defender [62]
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Re: The Spark
Oct 24, 2022, 11:18 AM
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nothing against Cade, I hope he has a heisman future..
spark came when the defense rose up and stopped the 'cuse series after series
the offensive line started dominating the 'cuse defensive front and we hammered them with the run.. the defense def got tired on those long drives...
If DJ doesn't have some great games up ahead, will he stay another year? will Cade wait around and then we have another qb who's not going to wait around 2 years to get their chance..
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does Cade beat out DJ next spring if he sticks around and then DJ transfers?
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Re: The Spark
Oct 24, 2022, 12:39 PM
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All good questions... TBD
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So riddle me this
Oct 24, 2022, 11:24 AM
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Would you have rather DJ come back and try to get just as “lucky”?
Part of the pass interference call requires the ball to be near the receiver. Several of DJs throws yesterday would not qualify.
And even if all Klubnik did was hand the ball off, he did it well. This is a terrible take.
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Re: So riddle me this
Oct 24, 2022, 11:34 AM
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DJ was having a bad day, everybody does, but we have no idea what might have happened after sitting out a few series that he gets his head together and throws for 4 td's..
we'll see in a couple of weeks what type of leash he has on him... we can't lose to ND... that would kill any chance at CFP.. win the acc or not..
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Rock Defender [62]
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Re: So riddle me this
Oct 24, 2022, 11:40 AM
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last thought on Cade, if Dabo goes with Cade, they have to let him throw a lot more or all we're going to see is 8 man lines stacked against the run..
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 11:43 AM
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Still a work in progress but has great potential...we must help him!
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 12:02 PM
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He came in and MANAGED a tight game victory. Coaches obviously did not want to take risks with him in there but just play solidly which he did! They knew that both Syracuse lines were worn down and all we had to do was Run, Run, Run, which we did to victory! Great job Shipley and Mafah too!
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 12:11 PM
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What Cade did for the offense does not show up in the numbers. He came in and settled down the offense. He is a quick decision-maker in the RPO and just deciding to give the ball to the back a half-second faster made the difference in a couple of those Shipley key runs. Great throw on the 2-pt conversion. There was a little better tempo and rhythm in the run game with Cade in there, especially in the fourth quarter.
Maybe the best validation was in the comments from DJ's post-game interview, "It was the right call putting Cade in there; HE won the game for us."
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CU Guru [1207]
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 12:37 PM
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We would not have won that game had Dabo not made the change. Better late than never.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 2:54 PM
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OP is exactly right. Cade Klubnik didn't have a single good pass, and he was running for his life the whole time. (2 point conversion was a broken play.)
Outside of the GT series, he's not looked good. Like the game is too fast.
If it wasn't for that 3rd and Forever roughing the passer call, game probably is lost.
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Re: Cade Klubnik
Oct 24, 2022, 8:22 PM
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One thing has been established, Dabo won't hesitate to put Cade in if DJ is not playing well.
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we moved the ball really the entire game up and down the
Oct 24, 2022, 3:29 PM
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field and really limited their O as well on the other side. The problem was, we could not hold on to the ball. It ruined so many scoring opportunities and straight up gave them 1/3 of their points. All we needed Cade to do was hold on to the FB, he did that and we just kept doing everything else we had been doing all game on O........
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