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My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 20, 2021, 3:47 PM
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As my old man and myself were discussing Clemson football, and the upcoming game this weekend at Pitt; we began to think about a scenario that Dabo could implement after this season is over. Essentially, at the end of the season (after post-season) Dabo should make the moves to place Robbie Caldwell in a recruiting/off field role such as Brad Scott was before he went to USF. He should also look to bring back Jeff Scott (lets be honest, he isn't going to last much longer with his record at USF) and place him back as a WR coach/Head recruiting coordinator (the guy could sell ice cubes to an eskimo). Grisham could study under Scotts tutelage and eventually regain his role as WR coach if Scott no longer wanted to be an on the field guy. He also needs to push Tony Elliot out of the door to take over as HC at a mid-major program (similar to Jeff Scott) and use TE's salary to bring in an elite offensive coordinator and OL coach. Also it would behoove him to put Streeter on the hot seat if progression is not seen in our QB's next season. It also wouldn't hurt to bring in an offensive consultant as well. These changes within the coaching/recruiting unit could pay large dividends for the programs continued success after this season. I would also recommend that Dabo bring back Brad Scott as well to compliment Robbie Caldwell in the off-field affairs. Thoughts?
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 20, 2021, 3:57 PM
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Doubt if Brad would want to skip retirement as he is getting close. I also believe Jeff will get another year.
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 20, 2021, 4:02 PM
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I'd still argue that if I were Dabo, I would pick Jeff Scott up the following year. His excellence in recruiting cannot be denied. We have sorely missed him since his departure.
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 20, 2021, 4:03 PM
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I do not believe there will be any major coaching changes next year.
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 20, 2021, 4:06 PM
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I think Dabo will have some very tough decisions to make at the end of the year, and you may very well be surprised.
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 21, 2021, 1:34 PM
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Wouldn't bet on that...
Caldwell definitely likely will be one, as much as that may surprise you (and no one else)....
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I can envision a scenario...
Oct 20, 2021, 4:10 PM
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where Dabo retained Caldwell is some type of administrative/advisory role, but bringing back Jeff Scott is not a realistic option at this point. While he may bring in an offensive consultant, Grisham, Streeter and Elliott aren't going anywhere.
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Re: I can envision a scenario...
Oct 20, 2021, 4:21 PM
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I would venture to say that it is pretty realistic if Scott gets canned at USF. He and Dabo are what some would consider best friends, and I can guarantee you that the "family" aspect of Clemson would not be lost on him if/when he gets fired. I also think for some of his faults, Dabo can read the tea leaves so speak. This year compares to 2010, when some of his "coaching friends" were shown the door. I expect him to do the same with certain members of his current coaching staff, or significantly reduce their on the field roles, if he wants Clemson to remain amongst the best in the sport.
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I don't disagree with that...
Oct 20, 2021, 4:38 PM
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but Jeff Scott is just in year two of his five year deal with USF. They're aren't likely to fire him now, and if he left on his own, he would owe the university $2.5 million.
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Re: I don't disagree with that...
Oct 20, 2021, 4:45 PM
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It would be worth that to get Jeff back at Clemson, IMO where he belongs!!!!
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Re: I don't disagree with that...
Oct 20, 2021, 4:45 PM
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That is a fair point. However, history indicates that Charlie Strong was in a similar situation (2017-2019) where he finished with a 4-8 record in his third season and was still fired. Though I hate it for Scott, I can't see him making it to year 5 of his contract with the less than stellar seasons that his program has had thus far. For better or worse, USF doesn't give their coaches much time to turn around a program that is in the dumps. So I still think we see Jeff Scott back at Clemson in some capacity in the future (whether that be sooner or later).
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I don't see Spiller leaving. He will have 3 stud RB's next
Oct 20, 2021, 4:33 PM
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year with Shipley, Mafah, and Pace.
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The vast majority of Clemson grads and/or long time fans
Oct 20, 2021, 4:28 PM
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do not pretend to know more about Clemson players than our coaches. We are second to Alabama as far as CFP titles (Bama has won three CFP titles; from the 2015, 2017, and the 2020 seasons). We beat Alabama in the CFP Title for the 2016 season, did the same for the CFP Title for the 2018 season when we beat Alabama 44-16. That 28 point loss is the worst loss Saban has had while at Alabama.
Alabama has a good chance of losing at least two games this year. They barely beat Florida by 2 points, and lost to a two loss A&M by 3 points. If UGA beats Alabama in the SEC Title game, they will be carrying two losses going to the final playoff decisions. If other conferences have teams finishing undefeated, Bama has a good chance of not making the playoffs.
Finally, as far as coaches leaving, Caldwell is expected to retire after this season, so the OL will likely have Thomas Austin as the new coach. I doubt there will be other major changes. The defensive staff is very good. Spiller will be great with the RB's, regardless of the comments from some of the posters on this site . We also have another great 5 Star QB coming in in the Spring of 2022.
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Re: The vast majority of Clemson grads and/or long time fans
Oct 20, 2021, 4:34 PM
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1.) I don't really get your point about Alabama this year
2.) If you read my scenario, I never mentioned any coaches on the defensive side of the ball, only offensive coaches (TE and RC in particular).
3.) If Thomas Austin takes over the OL, then we can continue to expect sub-par offensive line play. I don't think he is the guy to turn around the OL in any capacity.
4.) I've been a Clemson fan going on 25 years, so yes I have the right to question/speculate when I see the program regressing to levels that have not been seen within the past 10 years.
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Re: The vast majority of Clemson grads and/or long time fans
Oct 20, 2021, 4:37 PM
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I'll also further add that I never said Spiller needs to be shown the door. Though the jury is still out on him, he seems to be doing okay with the running backs currently. I have no qualms with him getting a few more seasons as the position coach.
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What reason would Spiller be asked to leave? We have three
Oct 20, 2021, 5:01 PM
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RB's with Shipley, Mafah, and Pace that look to be the best combination of speed and size we have seen as a group for some time.
So, if you want Spiller gone, tell me who you want Dabo to hire at RB coach.
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Re: What reason would Spiller be asked to leave? We have three
Oct 20, 2021, 5:06 PM
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I am going to ask you to refer to my original post where I specified that Streeter should potentially be on the hot seat after next season (QB coach). I never once proclaimed that Spiller should be shown the door. As I PREVIOUSLY mentioned, I have no qualms with Spiller at this point in time. You appear to be continually mixing up STREETER with SPILLER, and with that I cannot help you.
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I stand corrected. There are people on this site that are
Oct 20, 2021, 5:13 PM
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calling for Spiller to be gone, and that is just ridiculous.
I apologize to you for my error regarding Spiller.
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We will see how your projections pan out. I am a Clemson
Oct 20, 2021, 4:56 PM
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alum with a BS in Civil Engireering. I was a freshman at Clemson in 1977, Charlie Pell's first year. I was on the field after we beat Nebraska in the 1981 season Orange Bowl for our first National title.
I was also at both the 2016 and 2018 season CFP title winning games. I've been a Clemson man for over 45 years. I was also lucky enough to do the coin toss at midfield with a retired two star general for the 2012 Va Tech/ Clemson Military Appreciation Game. .
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Re: The vast majority of Clemson grads and/or long time fans
Oct 20, 2021, 5:58 PM
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Yeah, I don't think Robbie wants to stick around. Don't blame him. He's had a wonderful career. Imho, I'd be shocked if he doesn't make a clean break.
As for anyone else going, agree with you and BIG, ain't happening. Nor should it. Now, if no improvement is seen this year and then stays as is into next season, then yes, major changes would be made.
Lot of ball left, even if we do stumble this weekend. We're banged up, and unfortunately missing some key players on offense too.
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Re: The vast majority of Clemson grads and/or long time fans
Oct 21, 2021, 9:02 AM
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Banged up players is not an excuse for the offense. BV finds a way every year to cobble together a great or elite defense regardless of injuries. Besides sunshine pumpers, every Clemson fan can see that the offense has struggled for years, but has overcome those struggles mostly due to generational talent at qb and rb. I'm not sorry, TE needs to go and we need a fresh face as OC. We also need to recruit outside of the program for a new offensive line coach. The heir apparent Thomas Austin will be a re-tread of Caldwell. Just because you were a great player, does not mean that you will be a great coach. Its the bottom line.
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 20, 2021, 6:00 PM
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Streeter on the Hit seat?
Do you see the job He has done sense He has been at Clemson?
I am not even going into the rest!
No changes need to be made in the coaching staff!
It is the best staff in America bar none!
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 21, 2021, 8:59 AM
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Streeter did little to develop the already generational talent that Trevor Lawrence was. Based on the product on the field, he has done almost nothing to improve DJU, as it appears that DJU has regressed. Therefore, I would list him on the hot seat. Also, if you statement simply applied to the defensive side of the ball, I might be inclined to agree. However, our offensive staff is NOT the best staff in college football. We have some good pieces, but the unit as a whole needs some changes. That is just the sad truth.
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Thowing in my opinion from the upper deck
Oct 21, 2021, 4:31 PM
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No doubt we are not in the same ballpark we were last year! I would be blind to see that. However, please remember what DJU did last year. When Trevor was out, DJU stepped in and we saw what he CAN do. The kid lit it up. Please review the tapes from last year...
A QB needs to have faith in his offense. Tell me, do we as a fan base have any comfort level with any players on this offense? The OL is honestly bad. The RBs have a great amount of talent but their blocking skills are not to the level of the last two to three years. They are YOUNG and have a lot to learn. Lastly, these wide receivers cannot get any separation and they apparently have very low football IQ when it comes to route running. And don't get me started on their lack of down-field blocking.
While DJU has some issues this year, he was much more comfortable last year. He's only as good as the cast of characters around him.
If the supporting cast gets better...DJU will get better! He has not forgotten how to play (again, go watch the tapes from last year). Compare last year to this year (the supporting cast).
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 21, 2021, 9:42 AM
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I'm with you on the thought process. Except for Brad Scott. His last couple of years as 'Special Assistant' were a wash over to try and keep Scott. I think TE gets one more year with Swinney.
I question though, that Jeff Scott would come back just as a WR Coach. I don't think his ego would support the scrutiny. If he exits FL (and appears he in on tract) he would I believe have sights on an offensive coordinator position. I definitely agree that if we would also be a lead recruiter, he would be a great asset, again.
The iron in all this, seems to possibly be that J Scott was good on a team with Elliott, and Elliot was good on a team with Scott.
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 21, 2021, 10:05 AM
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To add. In summary, I think: Jeff Scott would only come back as OC (he could also be Head of Recruiting), Streeter is on a real hot seat, Caldwell retires, Spiller in still on staff, and the rest of the season will determine the status of TE.
The Pitt game is going to determine some direction toward and for all above.
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 21, 2021, 1:14 PM
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Fair enough, I would more than likely not be mad with Jeff Scott being brought back on as our OC. If it is what it would take to get him here, then its good in my mind. I think he was the brighter offensive mind of the SCelliot machine to be honest.
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Robbie was retiring at the end of this season
Oct 21, 2021, 10:24 AM
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regardless… Recruiting being one of his weakest points, that’s a stupid idea.
The rest is beyond stupid, coot.
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Re: Robbie was retiring at the end of this season
Oct 21, 2021, 1:20 PM
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I lost brain cells reading your response. I don't know if you have ever had conservations with Mr. Caldwell, but he is very personable and likeable (I've had many with him). A behind the scenes/off field affairs role would be perfect for him if he doesn't want to head out the door just yet.
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 21, 2021, 10:37 AM
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You lost me when you said "bring him in as recruiting coord." anyone who follows college football even loosely knows that is simply a title to give a guy a bit more $$$$. Recruiting leg work and logistics is done by guys like jordan sorrells and a staff of people, including student assts, graphics people, etc. Yes, asst coaches still make their calls, work with visits, etc. But the coordination is done by behind the scenes people. "recruiting coord" for an asst is simply a title now.
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 21, 2021, 1:19 PM
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I follow football very closely, having had many personal meeting with these "recruiting coordinators" during my own official visits to various schools regarding my recruitment. Yes, there are other people behind the scenes that aid in the whole process. However, Jeff Scott was able to sell Clemson in a way that many others cannot and would be perfect for the role of OC/HRC. He understands how to bring in the big recruits and keep them. Might I add he was also a d*mn good wide receiver coach to boot. Furthermore, as you said the title would also provide extra money, and extra incentive to come back to Clemson.
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 21, 2021, 2:41 PM
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He and Dabo seemed to have a special relationship on the side line They interacted more than any of the other coaches It seems to me Dabo has really missed him I think he would make a great Off Cord along with assistance from his Dad However I believe USF will give him his full contract
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Re: My Thoughts on Hires/Fires/Shifts after Season
Oct 21, 2021, 2:24 PM
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Great thoughts by you and your old man I’m 74 myself LOL The only thing I would recommend is replace Caldwell and if Dukes head man retires this year bring him in as an offensive assistant to Tony E just as Ted Roof is for defense Jeff will be at USF at least 1 more year and Brad will never leave the side of his Son If Tony leaves this year I would bring back Chad Morris Brad was much more help on this offense that folks realized
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The most realistic outcome is Caldwell being reassigned
Oct 21, 2021, 3:33 PM
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and an offensive line coach being brought in to replace him.
Elliott, Streeter, Spiller, Grisham, et al. will remain the same next year.
Why? Because Dabo believes in those guys, especially Elliott, and will cite our success in previous seasons to justify keeping them.
Dabo is also stubborn, and is sometimes slow to admit mistakes or shortcomings.
The talking points in the off-season might include some “changes to the offense” after “evaluating things,” but in reality things will be pretty much the same for next year.
Our main hope for improvement in our offense next year will ride on our talent improving, either through current players getting better or new players coming in who can help.
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Re: The most realistic outcome is Caldwell being reassigned
Oct 21, 2021, 3:52 PM
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That may be the most realistic take (sadly). It could potentially take yet another season of mediocrity for Dabo to make any substantial changes to the coaching staff. However, by that time I fear we may be too far down the mountain for a few coaching changes to right the ship. Alas, thats college football baby.
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Re: Streeter
Oct 21, 2021, 3:56 PM
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I remember when Cole Stout was not that good and DW took over. They had hired Streeter and When DW tore his ACL and decided to have surgery. Streeter had Cole Stout looking crazy good as He led the Tigers to a big win over Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl. I don't think it's on Streeter about the QB play. You can lead a player to the light switch but it's up to him to make it come on.
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