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The low attendance at BB games
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Jan 26, 2023, 8:42 AM
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Is a concern to me and I think there is a solution to it. Quite honestly it is the students who are letting the team down. I think the athletic department realizes that a late night game just isn’t going to attract fans like myself who travel long distances to campus. When I was a student back in the early 60’s Fike was filled every night for every game. Certainly a number of Clemson town people came but I bet very few came from Greenville and surrounding areas. I don’t recall a nine pm game and there certainly was no tv broadcast to set game times.
There must be a system that would allow the students to come to games that aren’t sold out in advance. I’m sure many tickets are sold in the pre season by Iptay members and other loyal fans who support the basketball team. I am not one of those because I know, living 200 miles away, that I can’t attend very many night games. I wish all football games were 1:00pm kickoffs but that will never happen.
With a student population of 25,000 there is no excuse for a 9000 seat arena to be empty at game time. Not on a rural campus as Clemson certainly is !
Find a way to get the kids in the game. Whatever it takes because the team AND coaches deserve it.
(Get the coeds in the games and guess who will follow them?)
Maybe halftime entertainment.
Free pizza
Find a way
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
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Jan 26, 2023, 8:49 AM
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I wish I'd thought of that.
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
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I don't think we can blame the students - my grandson is a freshman and he can't get tickets to every game and can't get extra tickets for family because I have asked. He can usually get extra tickets for football games at a reduced price. What does that tell you about football games not being sold out? More availability of seats in Death Valley in comparison to basketball games? I agree that emphasis should be put on getting the students more access to unsold tickets. Don't know how they fill the empty seats already sold to season ticket holders who don't show up.
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
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Jan 26, 2023, 8:57 AM
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That is exactly what I am talking about. It appears that tickets to students aren’t being handled properly.
That should be an easy fix. If a student wants to be at the game and has no ticket or a way to get one that is very wrong. And the team suffers from this situation. FIX it Clemson
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:00 AM
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What are the season ticket holders doing if they cannot attend? Would there be a way to “donate” tickets to students?
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:04 AM
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I had that same thought.
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There should be a way to do this easily with electronic tickets.
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:04 AM
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Clemson just needs to invest in a system to manage it and make it easy for a ticket holder to go online and donate their ticket.
Unfortunately, this requires both Clemson and less technologically advanced ticket holders to embrace technology and that seems to be a tall order.
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Jan 26, 2023, 10:20 AM
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I know if I was a student on campus without
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:02 AM
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a ticket, all it would take for me to be at the gate waiting to get in would be an announcement during the day that there were a certain number of unsold seats that would be 1st come - 1st serve to students even 5-10 minutes after tipoff.
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they can but Clemson makes it harder than it could be
Jan 26, 2023, 9:46 AM
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and .. sometimes they are not allowed ot move to those empty.. better seats until far into the game
Im not a student but the last time i tried to move into closer seat after half i was shooed away
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
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Jan 26, 2023, 10:08 AM
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All good suggestions but this is not a Clemson only issue. For one, the players have no idea whether there's 6800 fans or 8800 fans in attendance. It has zero bearing on the outcome of the game. I know for a fact that the entire women's golf team goes to every game. All 10 of them could be models. Has Brad ever acknowledged this? Has Brad ever acknowledged the football team and Dabo going to the games? How many times have we seen Brad attend a volleyball game? A baseball game? A softball game? Nope.
It has zero bearing on recruiting. If we were talking about 2k or 3k in attendance, then maybe that would be a problem. Last night then #2 team, soon to be 1 and undefeated Bama had poor attendance.
It's a rabbit hole and false narrative.
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An idea: Allow season ticket holders who won’t be there
Jan 26, 2023, 10:18 AM
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Give the tickets back to be used by students only for free! And they could do that online anytime before 4 hours before the game is to be played.
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The students are absolutely NOT letting the team down
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Jan 26, 2023, 8:59 AM
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It’s the adults who buy tickets and don’t show up. The students can’t come to support the team if they can’t get into the building. I said in a post yesterday that the administration needs to find a way for unused seats to be provided to students; whether that be converting unsold tickets to student tickets a few hours before tip, or creating some clearing house that lets season ticket holders donate tickets to students if they can’t use them. I’ve got some family members who are students and I can say that they are frustrated. Football ticketing for students is a cluster and apparently basketball is as well
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I think that we all agree
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:18 AM
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That this is a problem with a fairly easy solution. I hope the next home game is SRO. It will be interesting to see if this concern is handled by the powers that be!
I am going to an Iptay meeting on Feb. 4th and have a ticket for that afternoon game. I will certainly voice my concern about this situation and see what others have to say.
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Re: I think that we all agree
Jan 26, 2023, 10:41 PM
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With the technology we have now, it would be easy to identify seats for which the tickets have not been scanned -- maybe 10 minutes after tipoff. Those seats should be released to students!
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I agree with this.
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:01 AM
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There needs to be an easy way for people not using their tickets, whether they be season ticket holders, people who have purchased a single game ticket or a several game package, or students to make their tickets available.
In 2023, this shouldn’t be hard to do, although with Clemson’s mostly archaic approach to tickets they probably need someone to help implement this.
For this to work, we need two things:
1. A system to keep track of who has a ticket to a seat at any given time.
2. A system to hold people responsible for using their ticket.
Season ticket holders and students who have a ticket that goes unused should be penalized somehow. After several no-shows, make it harder for them to get tickets next time. Move their seats to somewhere less desirable. Take away IPTAY points. Make it harder for them to get football tickets. Something to incentivize them to use their ticket or find someone else who will.
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Point 2 is laughable
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:52 AM
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I mean, I buy a car and someone will hold me responsible for using it?
Go buy a container of strawberries and be held accountable for eating them?
If someone buys a ticket and starts a fire with it, that's their choice. Same as if you throw your ticket in Lake Hartwell or use it to snort cocaine. What you do with your ticket ain't no one's busines.
That said, it would be good if there was some system where you could transfer a ticket that will be unused to someone that wants it. A transfer portal, if you will.
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I disagree with your analogies
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Jan 26, 2023, 10:01 AM
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If you and I buy the same car, how you use it has no impact on how well mine functions. Fan enthusiasm at a home game can significantly impact the play on the court, and the enjoyment of your fellow customers. If you buy a ticket you should feel a responsibility to the team to contribute to that enthusiasm. If the university sets clear expectations and requirements for ticket holders BEFORE the ticket is purchased, I would welcome some form of accountability program.
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Ok let's see. You join IPTAY. Give the school money. THEN
Jan 26, 2023, 10:41 AM
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buy hoops tickets.
Life happens. Get sick, have to work late, or a kid has some kind of activity you need to attend. Maybe you have a sick relative. Need to travel for work. Whatever.
YOU GET IN TROUBLE?
I don't think anyone is going to sign up for that. Especially for CU hoops lol.
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in mythical fairy land.. yeah it is possible
Jan 26, 2023, 12:01 PM
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in real life.. no way Clemson is going to take the chance of losing a season ticket holder in any sport but football.
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What percentage of Clemson’s athletic revenue do suppose is
Jan 26, 2023, 1:47 PM
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Accounted for by basketball ticket sales? I’m guessing it’s a rounding error.
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dunno ,, but if you start pissing off current buyers
Jan 26, 2023, 9:35 PM
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i would guess future annual revenue would = X - 0.9X
where x is the current revenue
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You just have to help make sure the ticket is used
Jan 26, 2023, 1:50 PM
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I’m not saying your butt has to be in the seat every game. Sell it, give it you neighbor, dog walker, grandma’s hairdresser; or even better, return it to the school so they can give it to a student.
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Re: Point 2 is laughable
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Jan 26, 2023, 10:05 AM
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I dont know about the accountability but back in the day I when the Hornets were the Bobcats they tracked the season ticket holders attendance and if they were 100% they would all go on the court during the last game of the year and get some sort of award.
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students supposedly are held accountable
Jan 26, 2023, 11:57 AM
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for ticket usage. IF that is true then it is possible to track..
but they are free to students, so it is way different situation. YOu start punishing a ticket holder for anything and they will likely just bolt on you.
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Punishing season ticket holders is obviously a last resort.
Jan 26, 2023, 12:26 PM
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Clemson needs to first find out why some season ticket holders aren't using their seats. That would explain a lot. Is it due to days/times of games? Is it because they don't like basketball? Is it because they have a health concern that prevents them from going to games?
I'm not saying that someone should have a finger cut off for not using their tickets one game. But if season ticket holders are given the option of donating their ticket (or obviously reselling it), and choose not to, and their seats routinely go unused, then Clemson has a right to intervene.
Part of the agreement when purchasing tickets should be that you are committing to that seat being filled, either by yourself or someone else.
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Your examples are laughable.
Jan 26, 2023, 12:24 PM
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While Clemson can't keep someone from starting a fire with their ticket somewhere else, they can absolutely tell someone that they can't set their ticket on fire on campus or inside Littlejohn.
Likewise, if someone wants to use their ticket to snort cocaine, Clemson can tell them that they can't do it on university property.
Clemson can set whatever standards it wants for its customers. This includes how Clemson uses its seats. Clemson can charge a seat license fee. Clemson can refuse to sell someone a ticket if they have exhibited poor behavior in the past. Clemson can also decide to refuse to sell tickets to someone if they don't use them.
If Clemson has a rule that habitual no-shows lose IPTAY points or get worse seats the next year, they can absolutely institute that.
Think of it as a gift card that expires. You purchased it and have a right to use it, but it comes with limitations.
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You've made some indefensible posts before but this may
Jan 26, 2023, 9:54 PM
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be your IPOALFJK (Indefensible post of a lifetime for Judge Keller). Buying a ticket gives you a right. It does not covey an obligation. This is in no way similar to penalizing students who do not use free tickets. Season ticket holders are the SUPPORTERS of your program. You post about giving more support to basketball while advocating penalizing those who do support it, ridiculous.
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:14 AM
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The problem definitely seems to stem from season ticket holders not coming to the games. Frankly, I think it would be beneficial if IPTAY significantly limited the amount of season tickets sold. I am not a season ticket holder, but I do live local. If I was able to show up on gameday and purchase a lower bowl ticket for face value, I would be there. Instead, the only tickets available are nosebleeds and the tickets for re-sale in the lower bowl are marked up way too much IMO. On top of that, Ticketmaster charges stupid amounts of fees.
I remember in 2014 when we made a run in the NIT tournament and all tickets were first come first serve, the Coliseum was packed every game that we hosted. With all of the tickets being digital today, it should be easy for IPTAY to track season tickets that aren't being used. The people holding those tickets shouldn't be eligible to purchase them in the future.
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:22 AM
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That isn’t going to happen I assure you. No way are they going to refuse to sell tickets in advance to anyone. A way to distribute these unused tickets is the solution. Once the tickets are sold …, Iptay is happy$.
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I was at the 9pm Louisville game
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:16 AM
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And it was the loudest I’ve heard in many years. Student section was completely full.
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Scheduling is the problem
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:16 AM
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9pm games on Tuesday night don't help attendance. How about 7pm on Wednesday night?
ACC screws the lower level teams (from last year's results) on games. We always seem to play UNC late on a weeknight.
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We shouldn't be playing games on Tuesday night, anyway!
Jan 26, 2023, 11:26 PM
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Tuesday and Friday nights should be for high school games!
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:20 AM
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A few suggestions to up student turnout for basketball, especially late mid-week and early season OOC games...
1. Create a points system that rewards students for attending any non-football sporting event. Points can be redeemed for better seating and upgrades for football and all sports. The more athletics events one turns out for, the more opportunities they get for premium games.
2. Create an app specifically for basketball where season ticket holders can donate their seats before a game. These seats would then be assigned to walk-up students at no cost or to the general public at a nominal cost.
3. Get program leadership more involved in campus appearances and promotions to the student body, building connections, and offer free food items for those later night mid-week games - pizza, hot dogs, a drink, whatever. These kids already pay a fortune to attend here, surely the school could afford to do that.
The biggest issue is that basketball has offered such a lackluster product, with program leadership that has done little to engage with students or the campus at large, for such a prolonged period, that it will take that much more effort going forward to rebuild much student enthusiasm. Alums over the years have also lost interest, cutting the energy back even further. Having an actual 'winning' season like we're experiencing this year is definitely a wonderful tonic for attendance overall as is evidenced by our record number of sellouts for the season. Using this type of season as a launching pad instead of a one hit wonder would go a long way towards righting the ship.
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The Men's Varsity Basketball team had a 2.85 GPA...
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:26 AM
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maybe if they actually attended class they could rub elbows with the general student population, you know, shake hands, pat backs, kiss babies?
Anything would help as no student is hurrying to watch Bump on a Log Brownell cross his arms for 2 hours.
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For the love of giant stuffed panda bears - I HATE that
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Jan 26, 2023, 10:31 AM
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you are back to posting on the semi-reg . . . .
And I freaking LOVE that you are back to posting a little bit. A little less might be better - but this one was dead on.
And the post somewhere nearby about never seeing Brad at any event - remember when Cliff Ellis would ride around in a golf cart on home football Saturdays - get up on stage at the Tiger Tailgate Show and croon a song or 3 . . . and I think Barnes road around, too ?
But our Head Doorknob - instead - gets all noticeably, seemingly perturbed that at a timeout break, we introduce and welcome the 5th highest paid assistant to our little neck of the woods - an assistant to the best head coached organization in all the world.
At that break in the action - shouldn't the HMICOS be doing something . . . like, I don't know . . . maybe - coaching - instead of wondering who's coming out to halfcourt ?
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Wait 'till I get going...
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It's Not Going To Happen
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Jan 26, 2023, 9:33 AM
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But we should go back to paper tickets. Easier to transfer but also easier to make fakes. But looking at boards, I have a feeling electronic tickets are leading to even more fraud. I have been to every home game this season. The students are not the problem. The students have been all in.
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Re: It's Not Going To Happen
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What did you say to get banned from Twitter ?
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Re: It's Not Going To Happen
Jan 26, 2023, 10:08 PM
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Paper tickets are easier to transfer if you are within 5 feet of one another. If you're in Gaffney and looking to hook someone up in Seneca with a pair for the night, these new fangled electronics can do that lickety split. Nobody has to meet up in Greenville for the handoff. It's not the worst.
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
Jan 26, 2023, 9:45 AM
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I’m not sure the problem is unsold seats, it’s unused tickets. The athletic department has stepped up their marketing efforts to sell mini packs of basketball tix. I believe the students just need to show up to get a student seat. How the unused non-student seats find their way to students is what is needed. That could certainly help with the 9pm games, but it’s got to be flexible and accommodate last minute decisions. For example, students in the nearby dorms may get homework done early and decide they want to go. They need a system to allow them walkup to the gate like someone going to a movie theater.
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
Jan 26, 2023, 9:45 AM
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Tickets for games at small places like Littlejohn create a catch 22 situation. Students want to sit together, in the floor sections, but so do season ticket holders. My grandson wanted to go to a game and the only time they can go is on Saturday so my daughter and I started looking for tickets. She got 3 tickets in the top of the rafters for the Duke game and paid a high price for them. If a season ticket holder wanted to donate those tickets to a student I doubt many would be taking them.
Unless Clemson is willing to seat students in the prime seats, the way Duke does, getting more students at the games will be tough.
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
Jan 26, 2023, 9:57 AM
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The problem is, and always has been, the empty seats on the high roller side, the folks who might come for UNC or Duke and to keep priority for ACC Tournament tickets. Find a way to open those seats to students when they're open. Another problem is access. Students were standing in long lines in the cold. Open the gates at least a half hour earlier to relieve some of the congestion, especially since we have to come an hour earlier to get a parking place because of the ###' construction.
And while I'm bitching, why'd they have to cut down all those beautiful trees?
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Are there really people keeping season tickets to have acc tourney priority?
Jan 27, 2023, 7:28 AM
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That sounds crazy to me
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Asst Coach [744]
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Re: The low attendance at BB games
Jan 26, 2023, 10:12 AM
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Students are not the problem. Every game this semester the student section has been packed and even overflows during weeknight games that aren't sold out. Needs to be a way for people with tickets to give them to students if they cannot go. Students have been showing up and will continue to all year.
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Hall of Famer [22384]
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Browbeating students and fans is not going to work.
Jan 26, 2023, 10:34 AM
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After 12 years of mediocrity disillusionment with the program has set in. It will take more than a few wins against bad ACC teams to reverse the trend.
Build it and they will come.
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CU Guru [1487]
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We have good attendance at basketball games.
Jan 26, 2023, 10:10 PM
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Amd it has been getting better because the product is better.
What are you talking about?
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CU Guru [1904]
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How come the old rich Aholes only sit in their gray seats once/year?***
Jan 27, 2023, 8:35 AM
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