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Orange Blooded [3742]
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The draft position of Tay and Wayne all depends on their 40s
Nov 10, 2016, 8:48 AM
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and the overall success of Clemson. Neither guy is putting big numbers this year, but I don't think it matters as long as the team keeps winning. Winners usually get the benefit of the doubt regardless of their numbers in the eyes of a lot of scouts (ie. Bama has tons of guys that don't put up big numbers that get drafted high). I don't think either guy will go in the first 2 rounds, but their 40 times will also determine if they go as high as the 3rd round or as low as the 6th round. Neither guy is burner. Both are maybe high 4.5/40 guys on a good day, but are more like 4.6 guys normally. If both of them can get there time down to the low 4.5's by the combine through their pre-combine training, it'll help them a ton with their draft position. Flashy performances during the playoffs would help a ton too.
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Re: The draft position of Tay and Wayne all depends on their 40s
Nov 10, 2016, 9:08 AM
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I think gallman should go 2nd round with the other rbs out there this year. He grinds for more yards always, has a strong push and always keeps his legs moving despite a hole or not. Should be invaluable to the right offenses.
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everyone seems to disagree with me but I think you've
Nov 10, 2016, 9:24 AM
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hit the nail on the head.
The NFL is first about athletic talent - without it you get swarmed and pummeled pretty quickly.
There doesn't seem to be much room anymore
for those that are just hard workers and overachievers.
I personally think Wayne and Artavis are really good college players,
and the kind of young men and teammates that everyone wants on their team.
But I don't think they've got the innate speed to contribute a lot in a league
where 280-pounders are running as fast as they are.
Others on here think differently.
Hail, I thought Bashaud left too early and Tajh looked "late 1st round" good after his junior year,
so what do I know?
Good luck to them both...
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There's room for the hard working guys just not as high pick
Nov 10, 2016, 9:35 AM
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Look at Adam Humphries. He didn't get drafted, but he's now the #2 WR for Tampa Bay in just his 2nd year. Once he got in camp, it was clearly seen that he's a good football player. As Dabo said yesterday, Tay is a better version of Adam. He likely will have just as much success.
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Re: everyone seems to disagree with me but I think you've
Nov 10, 2016, 9:53 AM
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My Thoughts:
Wayne
My personal NFL comparison is Ahmad Bradshaw. Bradshaw was 2 inches shorter, but his running style is exactly like Wayne. He played for 9 seasons in the NFL. What hurts Wayne is the depth in this class. I think in 10 years when they look back at these running backs, Wayne will have outperformed at least a few RB's drafted in front of him.
Artavis
Just like Wayne, he isn't the fasted straight line speeder, but his lateral quickness / ability to make people miss is undervalued. He is as consistent as they come in my mind, and makes tough catches because he wants it more. I really think he will be successful in the league because he attacks the ball when it is in the air.
Just my two cents. Not disregarding others opinions, but there are things that aren't as measurable and I believe both of these young men have 'it'. They have their flaws, but most players do. While they may never break records / be hall of famers, they are two great football players that will surprise many people in the league.
Go Tigers.
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i know scouts look at the 40
Nov 10, 2016, 10:17 AM
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but really how often are you going to be running straight in football for your 40 time to matter?
There are a ton of WRs in the NFL that have 4.55 40s and are doing well. it matters if you can run a route and can catch the ball. Adam Humphries had a 4.53 time but he runs his routes and catches the ball.
Artavis to me is better than Adam...Artavis will get drafted between 3-5 round and will make some team very happy.
Wayne I'm thinking will be 4-6 round guy but he is a grinder and he is hard to bring down. I think his game translates well bc of his vision and breaking off those 4-5 yards a pop. Not sure he will last more than 4 years in the NFL but that is just about how long a NFL RB lasts anyways.
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Wayne's NFL potential is greater than Artavis. Artavis
Nov 10, 2016, 10:30 AM
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could go undrafted. His lack of speed and catch radius, plus he's not the best route runner will hinder him more at his position than Wayne's lack of top speed. Wayne, at 6-1 and 210 pounds, has the frame to add lots more muscle and he has a nice tick tock move to make people miss. I could see him playing next year at 220+.
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Tay goes undrafted?
Nov 10, 2016, 1:45 PM
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no chance. he's going to have one of the highest bench press numbers for a WR. his vertical/broad jumping will be shocks to most. will be top 10% of WRs in the cone drill and short shuttle. his 40 time will also turn heads. comical the lack of respect this kid gets for not being a 4.3 straight line burner
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Re: Tay goes undrafted?
Nov 10, 2016, 1:10 PM
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I think he may go undrafted as well, and it's not because of his 40 time. Tay is a great college receiver, but doesn't have any outstanding abilities that translate to the nfl. A lot of teams have an artavis Scott. He's tough as nails, which I think is his best attribute. I think it would be better for him to go undrafted so he can pick his situation. I honestly don't understand why he would leave early when you're projected to be a third day draft pick. Why not come back and improve your game, because your draft stock can't get much worse.
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Re: Tay goes undrafted?
Nov 10, 2016, 1:18 PM
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> no chance. he's going to have one of the highest
> bench press numbers for a WR. his vertical/broad
> jumping will be shocks to most. will be top 10% of
> WRs in the cone drill and short shuttle. his 40 time
> will also turn heads. comical the lack of respect
> this kid gets for not being a 4.3 straight line burner
Yeah. Another thing they'll see when they work him out is his body control...Dabo does WR's well - unsurprisingly - but like a lot of past Clemson guys Scott can contort his body and make the acrobatic circus catch...you see a lot of guys here and there that look the part, but it's the body control that makes the difference between a big linear receiver who really can't adjust to the thrown ball and the one who adjusts, snags it, and keeps right on trucking. He had 93 catches last year...and you simply don't get to that many - and attract the football so often - unless you're also snagging the ones that aren't easy.
I also agree he'll probably run sub-4.5. He's faster than a lot of people credit. He can get behind a defense; we've seen him do it on a number of occasions and to be completely honest Deshaun has missed him a few times this season even after he's fried his defender and was wide slap open down the field. He's also not tall...but he can elevate (shockingly high, actually!) and go up and get the fade. We just don't see it much because he's also on a team that happens to have Mike Williams at the 9 spot and hey, why complicate things?
He's an NFL guy all the way. If he slips to Day 3 somebody will get another steal like the Jets did with Charone Peake; I just don't see Scott sliding that far considering how much his production exceeds Peake's in college.
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I love when
Nov 10, 2016, 3:22 PM
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Quozzel agrees with me. it's some sort of sick tigernet validation
and speaking of his ups, that catch he made @ UGA in his very first game as a freshman was unreal
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Tay will run in the 4.4s***
Nov 10, 2016, 12:38 PM
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I would expect around 4.5 or so but maybe upper 4.4s
Nov 10, 2016, 1:50 PM
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Everyone has slower 40s at the combine with the laser timers.
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Re: The draft position of Tay and Wayne all depends on their 40s
Nov 10, 2016, 1:42 PM
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I think special teams will help Tay get drafted, with the limited roster spots in the NFL. He has been solid and sure handed there with the occasional explosive return. And am I seeing things or is he playing kickoff coverage too? I tried to search but I swear I saw number 3 last weekend.
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Bama gets a lot of players drafted highly because they were
Nov 10, 2016, 1:47 PM
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5 star recruits out of HS and have a lot of potential, even if they didn't put up huge stats at Bama. When you have an absurd amount of talent on one team, it's inevitable that some guys will be overshadowed. That doesn't mean they can't be productive at the next level if given a chance.
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