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The Deshaun double standard

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May 24, 2022, 9:13 AM

I want people to remember that the circumstances of Deshaun’s life are extraordinary. He grew up with nothing, no money, no Dad, lived in a bad neighborhood. His mom got tongue cancer when he was in high school and lost the ability to speak. Then at the age of 22, he suddenly became unimaginably rich and famous, a member of one of the most exclusive clubs in the world, a starting nfl qb. That’s a lot for a young man to wrap his head around.

Was Deshaun prepared to handle his immense wealth and power? Apparently not. Should that be a shock? Definitely not. Am I making excuses? Why shouldn’t I? Does Deshaun really deserve our contempt? Can’t we offer him a bit of understanding?

Here’s the thing: a lot of the the people who go online and say Deshaun is disgusting and call his defenders vile idiots are undoubtedly the same people who excuse riots as peaceful protests. They’re the same people who are supposedly sympathetic to people of color and underprivileged communities. They’re the same people who claim to be informed by “data” and “facts.” Well, Deshaun is a person of color from an underprivileged community, and the facts surrounding these civil cases are very murky. So what gives? Why suddenly so eager to assume the worst and offer no compassion?

Choose whatever politics you want. That’s fine. But just maybe slow down and think before you go slinging mud at people on the internet. It might be that you have a bit of a rage addiction or something and that you don’t actually believe all the things you say.

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May 24, 2022, 9:27 AM

slow down and think before you go slinging mud at people on the interne

yeah.. ok. good luck with that.

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May 24, 2022, 9:37 AM

The number of women that have come forward is the issue. It's not like one or two women accused Deshaun of sexual misconduct, it's more than 20. Are all 20+ women lying about their experiences with him? Another issue is that Deshaun asked more than 40 women for messages over the course of two years. That's four different women per month. Who does that?

There's no double standard. There's just 20+ women saying that Deshaun committed sexual misconduct. It doesn't matter that he's a person of color from an underprivileged community. Many of the women claiming sexual misconduct are also persons of color. Should we call them all liars?

Your argument is silly.

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May 24, 2022, 9:56 AM

The court did not find enough evidence to file formal charges. That’s the law of the land and good enough for me. He and God can handle anything else that may or may not need to be handled. It’s time to move on. Hopefully, idiot jurors (and this country has plenty on the daily) will agree with the criminal court on the civil cases, if they don’t end up settled.

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May 24, 2022, 10:14 AM

That's fine. I'm not trying to change anyone's opinion or convict Deshaun. I'm saying that OP's argument was silly.

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May 24, 2022, 10:14 AM

That's a complete cop out. The courts are set up to fail in sexual assault cases which is why civil court is often the *only* place victims can seek any form of justice. And yet you've already rendered judgement as absolute. It's an astoundingly naive world view that lacks any form of nuance.

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May 24, 2022, 12:06 PM

I'd love to know just what the allegations ARE. I have yet to find where he FORCED anyone to do anything. Exactly how do you force a hand job, anyway?

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May 24, 2022, 12:13 PM

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May 24, 2022, 2:19 PM

You can read all of them here: https://www.sportingnews.com/us/nfl/news/deshaun-watson-lawsuits-sexual-assault-explained/s6wzqeubsd7s12b9h4aq6bqqz


And just so we're clear, exposing oneself to and touching ones ##### against an unconsenting party IS sexual assault. The allegations are about his direct actions, not about him forcing their actions.

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50 different massage therapists? SHEESH!***


May 24, 2022, 4:22 PM



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May 25, 2022, 7:15 AM

That, on its own, is also extremely problematic.

It's easy to twist this around to make Deshaun sound really bad. Star QB from a relatively small town in Georgia that had NFL potential. Star QB as a freshman on a college campus with even more obvious NFL potential. Imagine how easy it was for him to pick up girls in high school and in college. He took that same mindset into the real world where he became a star QB for an NFL franchise and signed a contract that made him worth $160 million. Would be safe to assume that Deshaun understood his celebrity and wealth and believed that women still wouldn't turn him down. After all, how many turned him down in high school and college? But, instead of young high school and college students, he was dealing with professional women. And he lacked the experience of women saying no to him.

Is that story really difficult to believe? I get that he is a Clemson legend and probably in everyone's top 3 favorite Clemson players of all time. But take off the blinders and look at this objectively. Ultra wealthy celebrity that hires 50 message therapists and almost half of them say he engaged in sexual misconduct. That's not a stretch to believe.

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Exactly.


May 24, 2022, 6:26 PM

He didn't commit any crimes. That is, he didn't force anyone to do anything they didn't willingly do. So what are guys like Leon Trotsky talking about? If he had sex and didn't force anyone, what is the legal or civil issue?

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May 25, 2022, 7:18 AM

Is it legal to forcibly touch your private parts against a woman? Is it legal to grope a woman?

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May 24, 2022, 8:51 PM

You're not supposed ask that, they'd prefer you assumed it was a rape allegation rather than the newly invented, grey area bs that it actually is-

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May 24, 2022, 9:14 PM

How exactly is exposing oneself to and touching one's ##### to an unconsenting party a "gray area"? It's pretty cut and dry sexual assault.

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May 24, 2022, 10:07 AM

Yes.

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May 24, 2022, 10:11 AM

But yet most of those women kept going back for more? He's not innocent but not look at all the facts is irresponsible.

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Ho's gonna Ho

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May 24, 2022, 10:41 AM

and when they are no longer on the call list,they complain ABOUT BEING TREATED LIKE A HO. Moral of the story , don't use Dial a Ho's posing as "Therapists" on Instragram.

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May 25, 2022, 7:22 AM

Yikes

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May 24, 2022, 1:11 PM

I’m not saying he didn’t do anything wrong. I’m saying that we excuse a lot of bad behavior when it suits us, but in this instance, those same excuses aren’t given. I think if you really try to imagine Deshaun’s perspective, you might not judge him as harshly

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May 25, 2022, 7:24 AM

I think every Clemson fan tries to sympathize with Deshaun. None of us want to believe that he did anything wrong. Deshaun's excuse about contacting so many message therapists isn't unbelievable. I get it. He's young and wants to grow his social media influence and make contacts with other "famous" people. That's not totally unreasonable.

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May 25, 2022, 8:06 AM

I think he was looking for sex and he had some kind of fetish with these online massage girls. I’m just not ready to call him a terrible person because of it. Lots of people here also are not. Others are. Lots of people outside of tnet fill the ether with hatred for deshaun. I don’t buy the excuse that he wants to connect with influencers or whatever. I think he was a young guy who had been through a lot and came into extreme wealth and power and didn’t know how to handle it. In a way the position he was in and the expectations of others for him to be a perfect model citizen were and are unfair.

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May 25, 2022, 9:57 AM

We do know that he did have sex with some of them. And, if I'm not mistaken, he had a girlfriend during that time period. So he was cheating on his girlfriend with message therapists? Maybe that shouldn't matter, but...if he's willing to cheat...you know

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May 24, 2022, 3:17 PM

If you don’t believe a sleazy lawyer can’t build on numbers you are fooling yourself. Do I believe he was an idiot yes but sorry I believe these women knew exactly what the situation was and then saw $$$$$.

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I'm amazed at how this never even occurs to people....


May 24, 2022, 9:02 PM

"OMG 22!!! ###? He's Guilty. Gas chamber." The attorney probably should have run the # up higher than 22.

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May 25, 2022, 7:22 AM

Are you assuming that the lawyer discovered every woman that Deshaun used as a message therapist? Did the lawyer hack Deshaun's phone/Instagram to read his messages? Did he initiate the contact with the women himself?

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May 24, 2022, 3:17 PM

If you don’t believe a sleazy lawyer can’t build on numbers you are fooling yourself. Do I believe he was an idiot yes but sorry I believe these women knew exactly what the situation was and then saw $$$$$.

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May 24, 2022, 7:55 PM


The number of women that have come forward is the issue. It's not like one or two women accused Deshaun of sexual misconduct, it's more than 20. Are all 20+ women lying about their experiences with him? Another issue is that Deshaun asked more than 40 women for messages over the course of two years. That's four different women per month. Who does that?

There's no double standard. There's just 20+ women saying that Deshaun committed sexual misconduct. It doesn't matter that he's a person of color from an underprivileged community. Many of the women claiming sexual misconduct are also persons of color. Should we call them all liars?

Your argument is silly.



What do you mean by sexual misconduct? Rape, solicitation or act? Or did he simply ask his insta masseuse for a happy ending? No doubt he ask for “extras” but is asking for a happy ending the end of the world?

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May 25, 2022, 7:19 AM

Forcibly touching, groping, and exposing yourself to unwilling individuals.

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I’ll call them liars.

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May 24, 2022, 9:06 PM

They saw an opportunity to get free cash.

“$30,000 and all the pain and suffering goes away!”

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Re: I’ll call them liars.


May 25, 2022, 7:20 AM

One person that hired 50 message therapists is telling the truth...

22 women are lying for money...

Can we not at least agree that this is a tough argument to make?

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May 25, 2022, 11:43 AM

Your math is sillier……

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DW showed poor judgement and ethics,

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May 24, 2022, 10:01 AM

But he wasn’t buying anything these women weren’t selling.

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May 24, 2022, 10:09 AM

Personally speaking, I don't have a double standard for Deshaun Watson.

He did it or He did not. Nothing else matters. Even having the Grand Jury decline charging is not "evidence" of innocence it is simply lack of evidence to proceed with the cost and time to prosecute.

Civil status of case is between his bank account and the accusers with a mixture of lawyering in there as well. No double standard just - he did or he didn't - he wins the case or he doesn't.

I just don't care. I cheered for him at Clemson, but when he left I cheered for the next guy and when he cried and ran away I cheered for the next guy...etc.

Post Clemson apathy is my singular standard.

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May 24, 2022, 10:21 AM

You are incorrect about some of those conclusions, mainly that the people against him are the same as those supporting the protests. Btw, starve and be treated as an animal in your own country and see how you react or act.

Deshaun was found not guilty by two grand juries in Texas. Repeat: a black man in Texas accused of sexual misconduct by 22 women (forgive the possible incorrect amount) found not guilty by two separate grand juries.

Some people against Deshaun are also probably coots, suckeyes, and leghumpers, among others. Sports causes bias and indifference which affects how people judge and analyze. I know Deshaun was found not guilty, and couldn’t care less if he got a few hundred happy endings. However, if he was found guilty I would not defend him.

It all adds to a smear campaign IMO. Remember they sued him before even attempting to go to the police? I remember when I was mugged and tried to sue the thief before involving the cops.

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May 24, 2022, 6:40 PM

Correction:
Grand Jury does not determine guilt or innocence, but determines if there is enough evidence to support an indictment and continue to a trial by a jury of one’s peers.

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May 24, 2022, 9:13 PM



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I am confident that we all think Deshaun is a great player and generally good guy.

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May 24, 2022, 12:23 PM

He has accomplished a lot, against long odds.

Unfortunately, it seems that he made some very poor decisions when looking for massages and companionship. He seemingly made these poor decisions repeatedly, and only stopped when he got caught.

I’m pulling for Deshaun, but if we are being honest, the whole “these women are lying and just trying to get money” line of thinking is pretty ridiculous.

If Deshaun weren’t a beloved Clemson athlete, most people here wouldn’t still be defending him.

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Re: I am confident that we all think Deshaun is a great player and generally good guy.

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May 24, 2022, 12:46 PM

Very fair. As far as the women lying, I’m sure there are plenty of lies as well as truth being told. I’m also sure the money that hangs in the balance is affecting all parties involved and their actions.

It’s true I wouldn’t be asking for compassion towards Deshaun if he weren’t maybe the greatest Clemson football player ever. If he went to some other school, I just wouldn’t be paying attention. Certainly wouldn’t be commenting . . . which is kinda my point . . . people don’t know what happened, they crave moral authority and superiority, and they see a guy they ought to have a little more sympathy for as a scapegoat. It’s sad.

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We will find out when they go to court***


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May 24, 2022, 12:27 PM

The only double standard at work here is the narrative that it isn't possible DW could be guilty of this misconduct solely because he played football at Clemson. If he had played anywhere else lots of people here would be pumping these allegations as proof of how dirty the program is.

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May 24, 2022, 1:13 PM

I can assure you I’m definitely not going on any other school’s boards and smearing anyone

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Didn't y'all have a DE get convicted of rape this year?***


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May 24, 2022, 2:32 PM

No. "We" didn't have anyone convicted of rape.

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You sure?

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May 24, 2022, 2:41 PM

https://www.espn.com/college-football/story/_/id/33811362/ex-georgia-lb-adam-anderson-indicted-charged-rape-21-year-old-woman


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Re: You sure?

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May 24, 2022, 2:46 PM

Yes, because I understand the differences between a conviction and an indictment.

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I believe what you are alluding to is more


May 25, 2022, 3:38 PM

a matter of statistics. Statistically speaking, these “other programs” are breeding grounds for criminals as you well know. It’s not about a “what if he played for one of them.” That’s not a valid argument at all. It’s baseless.

Nobody here thinks he didn’t solicit sexual acts for pay, ??

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Re: I believe what you are alluding to is more


May 26, 2022, 8:01 AM

We look forward to you sharing the statistical formula you used to arrive at "breeding ground." There are a host of people here who think that either 1) DW hires hookers and it doesn't say anything about his character or, 2) Texans and/or NFL executives have set this all up (which requires a special level of delusion).

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How’s this:

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May 26, 2022, 10:31 AM

There are schools with much higher instances of unlawful behavior by student athletes than Clemson. UGA for instance.


We look forward to your qualifying “a host of people here…”

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Anyone with a functional brain should have....

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May 24, 2022, 8:44 PM

Been able to recognize this was a cash grab exercise from the beginning. Of those who doubted the prostitutes word, some of the cow-eyed brainless general public were mesmerized by the #22. "Just couldn't wrap their head around how 22 people could be lying", because you let her attorney feed you thoughts and essentially you morphed into a human parrot-

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May 25, 2022, 5:08 AM

I agree with some of the posters on here that there would be folks that would have crucified a former QB for having 22 women coming forward if they had not played at Clemson. Natural for fans to become defensive and I hope the whole deal is BS but at the end of the day I believe his reputation has been forever tarnished if he pays out any monies to his accusers. If I’m not guilty I’m taking it as far as it needs to go for the accusers to prove what they said. Just a very sad situation.

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May 25, 2022, 1:01 PM

This is clearly a money grab. But if DW solicited these women for sexual services, he has himself to blame for acting so recklessly with his career and reputation. People can rail about the lawyers and NFL executives (who some here actually believe set DW up), but this is on DW.

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So all 22 of these women are prostitutes?

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May 25, 2022, 3:51 PM

Yet Deshaun couldn't have possibly sexually assaulted them?

Come on.

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Re: So all 22 of these women are prostitutes?


May 26, 2022, 7:42 AM

The guy that pays for 50 prostitutes is of high moral character. Didn't you know?

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May 25, 2022, 6:27 AM

Please quit using the skin color as an excuse. Lots of people red,yellow black and white grow up in hard situations. 22 women tells me there is something there. Because he is rich $225 M this can buy the best legal representation that money can buy. Tell that to the 22 women he sexaully assautled.

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May 26, 2022, 12:26 PM

Made bad choices from the get-go. Should have only requested male therapists to deal with his upper leg, abdomen and groin issues at all times and not put himself in the positions he did with females therapists! Never works out for you or them!

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