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All-TigerNet [10402]
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The Braves suck
May 6, 2014, 2:20 PM
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Its going to be a long season for them. The pitching got them off to a good start but they will be lucky to get a wildcard.
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Re: The Braves suck
May 6, 2014, 2:23 PM
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They're definitely struggling but I think it has much more to do with Freddy Gonzales than the players. When he suddenly scrambled the line up at post season play last year is still one of the strangest manager moves I've ever witnessed.
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110%er [5627]
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Just like his daddy Bobby Cox ..... terrible manager***
May 6, 2014, 2:25 PM
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Terrible...only won 500 more games than he lost.
May 6, 2014, 2:27 PM
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He's only third all-time in that category. Any manager worth his salt would be at least 1000 games over .500.
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The Uggla deal has turned into a financial debacle.***
May 6, 2014, 2:28 PM
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Re: The Uggla deal has turned into a financial debacle.***
May 6, 2014, 2:30 PM
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12 mill a year lol
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BJ Upton too...
May 6, 2014, 3:24 PM
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The Braves would have been better-off to retain Michael Bourne.
From a defensive and base-stealing standpoint, the two are probably a wash, but from an on-base standpoint, Michael Bourne is the better of the two.
Bourne's salary is also less.
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All-In [26968]
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They did get a draft pick out of that as well.
May 6, 2014, 3:32 PM
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A pick they used on Jason Hursh out of Oklahoma St.
If they had it to do all over again, I'm sure they wouldn't do that Upton deal. But he is two years younger than Bourn, so you can understand they projected him as a better talent over a 4-5 year span.
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Uggla will not be released. He will ride the pine unless
May 6, 2014, 3:50 PM
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someone is dumb enough to pay for him. He's still usable bench bat.
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I disagree, and so will the Braves.***
May 6, 2014, 8:02 PM
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They don't seem to get top talent any longer.
May 6, 2014, 2:27 PM
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As soon as Turner sold out they started a long slow decline. Looks like too many bean counters are calling the shots now and not someone who cares about winning.
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Re: They don't seem to get top talent any longer.
May 6, 2014, 3:51 PM
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The lopsided TV deal has a lot to do with it. They've made huge moves lately to retain lots of young talent for years.
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They are only on pace for 89 wins...
May 6, 2014, 2:28 PM
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That would have to rank among the worst baseball seasons ever.
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Re: They are only on pace for 89 wins...
May 6, 2014, 2:29 PM
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Im a braves fan but they will not win 89 this season Mark it
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I would be very surprised if they won 89 games.
May 6, 2014, 2:33 PM
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And by that I mean if that won as few as 89 games.
It's easy to jump off when you're at the low point. No fan feels good about their team during a losing streak. But this is a talented team. As soon as they go on another run of winning 10 out of 13 or so, the fans will be crowning them again.
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Re: I would be very surprised if they won 89 games.
May 6, 2014, 2:36 PM
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Its a lot more than this 7 game slide being a Braves fan is not easy
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It's brutal. I mean, they've had two whole losing seasons
May 6, 2014, 2:39 PM
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in the last 23 years. I don't know why I'm still hanging on!
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Re: It's brutal. I mean, they've had two whole losing seasons
May 6, 2014, 2:43 PM
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yea best record in baseball and lose in the 1st rd how many years. That's awesome!
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Pretty awesome! Signed,
May 6, 2014, 2:43 PM
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Fans of almost every other team in baseball
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Re: Pretty awesome! Signed,
May 6, 2014, 2:46 PM
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The Cards and yanks and red sox and even San fran said that?
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"almost".
May 6, 2014, 2:46 PM
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Those are probably the only teams who wouldn't trade their last couple of decades for the Braves'.
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Boston sucked for ages***
May 6, 2014, 6:03 PM
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They're gonna' be a streaky team all year. They may lose 7
May 6, 2014, 2:31 PM
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in a row, but will alos have some 7 in a row win streaks. Where will you be then?
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Re: They're gonna' be a streaky team all year. They may lose 7
May 6, 2014, 2:34 PM
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They better make some trades then I don't think upton and freeman can do it all. Now that the rest of the teams are getting the rust off the pitching is not so great either
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Re: They're gonna' be a streaky team all year. They may lose 7
May 6, 2014, 4:54 PM
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This just shows how little you know about Braves baseball....J upton isn't doing crap....you would have been better off to say "freeman and gattis"
But don't leave out Heyward (who has been hitting great lately) and Johnson...
This is the same team that won 90+ last season.....they didn't need a trade then and the team is hitting better as a whole right now than they did this time last year.
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Re: They're gonna' be a streaky team all year. They may lose 7
May 6, 2014, 7:47 PM
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Yea they are all hitting good, scoring about 2 runs a game lol
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Re: They're gonna' be a streaky team all year. They may lose 7
May 7, 2014, 9:14 AM
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I didn't say all. I said those specific players. The offensive problem isn't lack of hits it's hits with RISP. You would know that if you actually watched instead of just complained.
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Re: They're gonna' be a streaky team all year. They may lose 7
May 6, 2014, 8:19 PM
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I don't know nothing about the Braves and j upton is not doing crap ?
Freeman 300 6 18
j upton 288 8 18
Gatis. 267 7 15
I believe you better check your stats finishline
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Re: They're gonna' be a streaky team all year. They may lose 7
May 6, 2014, 8:21 PM
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And Heyward is batting 220
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Re: They're gonna' be a streaky team all year. They may lose 7
May 7, 2014, 9:16 AM
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Upton didn't do anything during the losing streak. That's what I'm referring to. His avg has plummeted since being over .350.
Heyward has raised his avg to .220 from .140 over 2 to 3 weeks. You would know this if you actually watched instead of just complained.
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They're handcuffed with too many players being overpaid.....
May 6, 2014, 2:35 PM
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who can't hit worth a #### but that no other teams want. Too bad MLB doesn't have the same contract terms the NFL has where most if not all the money in a player's contract is not guaranteed. In that case Uggla, BJ Upton, and a couple of others would be long gone.
The funny thing is that pitching was supposed to be the weakness this season.
They're third in the NL in home runs but next to last in runs scored - can't get any hits and anyone on base. Relying on the long ball won't work.
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not re-signing brian mcann has hurt also
May 6, 2014, 2:38 PM
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there was good chemistry in the line up with him on the team.
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Not trading for Mike Trout and Clayton Kershaw has also hurt***
May 6, 2014, 2:39 PM
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Re: Not trading for Mike Trout and Clayton Kershaw has also hurt***
May 6, 2014, 2:43 PM
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The combo of Uggla and Upton really has hurt them the past 2 seasons. Neither can hit. That's 2 weak links in the chain.
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Re: not re-signing brian mcann has hurt also
May 6, 2014, 4:55 PM
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Wow....McCann is sucking. Have you seen Gattis' numbers....
Good grief I hate fairweather fans...
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The Braves absolutely DO NOT suck....
May 6, 2014, 3:17 PM
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but their hitting, particularly with runners in scoring position certainly does. If this doesn't improve significantly it will, indeed, be a long season.
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It evens out.
May 6, 2014, 3:23 PM
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Last year, they hit .249 overall and .251 with RISP.
In 2012, it was .247 overall and .231 RISP.
2011: .243/.249
2010: .258/.262
2009: .263/.278
2008: .270/.272]
Right now, the split is .235/.203. That 30-point gap is almost certainly unsustainable.
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Didn't they bring-in new hitting coaches....
May 6, 2014, 3:29 PM
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Greg Walker and Scott Fletcher after the 2011 season? Evenso, the improvement has only been slight.
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Hitting coaches don't do much...plus,
May 6, 2014, 3:34 PM
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the Braves are coming off a season where they were 4th in the league in run scoring. It's still early yet. Walker and Fletcher have their hands full with some guys with major, major holes in their swing.
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Their whole approach at the plate is just stupid
May 6, 2014, 3:38 PM
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They're setting themselves up to fail even against mediocre pitching.
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The hitters are who they are.
May 6, 2014, 3:41 PM
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B.J. Upton, Dan Uggla, Justin Upton were strikeout-prone before coming to Atlanta, they're strikeout prone now, and they always will be. They (supposedly) make up for that with power. The Braves' only high-contact hitters are Simmons and Freeman, and that's not going to change unless different players are brought in. No hitting coach will change that.
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I just realized you probably were looking at those averages
May 6, 2014, 3:39 PM
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I posted and using those as benchmarks. It should be noted that:
1. Batting average is not a great stat to measure offensive performance. I used it to show how batting average typically doesn't vary much based on scenarios like RISP.
2. Baseball as a whole gone swung back toward pitching the last couple of years. Here is the NL batting average, by year:
2009: .259
2010: .255
2011: .253
2012: .254
2013: .251
2014: .249
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Nah.....
May 7, 2014, 9:09 AM
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When evaluating performence, you really need to look at the sluging percentage and the on-base percentage or the OPS. The OPS isn't a perfect indicator but it is a reasonably good measure of a players offensive contributions.
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Re: The Braves suck
May 6, 2014, 4:44 PM
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And you coach where ??
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Re: The Braves suck
May 7, 2014, 9:40 AM
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Fire Jack! How can the Braves get any better with Jack as our coach?
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