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Anyone else worried B1G or ACC might be a real possibility?
Jul 8, 2022, 3:06 PM
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I’ve personally been so set on an invite from the SEC, that I’d forgotten to look at the big picture.
DHood reported earlier this week that he’s hearing we’re tied at the hip with Notre Dame.
Today’s WLAX announcement reminded me that we’ve got a lot more to offer than just football. Obviously football is the only sport that holds any weight in realignment, but what about our defending national champion mens soccer team? What about the resources we’ve invested toward a new WLAX program/stadium?
The SEC doesn’t even sponsor Mens Soccer or WLAX. The ACC does, obviously. The B1G does, too.
The ACC doesn’t currently sponsor Gymnastics, but will with the birth of our program. The SEC and B1G both do (SEC far more successful, but UCLA is also a stellar program).
Does our administration have a very difficult conversation with Mike Noonan about hanging SunBelt logos in his office/around Historic Riggs Field? Do we tell the 19 ladies who just transferred and committed to further their careers to build the foundation of our WLAX program that it ain’t gonna happen? Do we ask the SEC to add schools that will help establish new sports?
I know the almighty dollar rules the day, but it just seems very unlike Clemson. Then again, I know we are in a new day and age where manners will get you left in the cold.
I still want to see Clemson in the SEC for football purposes, but it makes me wonder if DHood’s sources weren’t more right than we wanted them to be and that our administration is trying to find the best home for CLEMSON ATHLETICS, not just Clemson Football.
We’d be much more competitive in all sports in the B1G with the same money and exposure. Much easier path the the playoff for sure. Now I’m just getting anxious.
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Re: Anyone else worried B1G or ACC might be a real possibility?
Jul 8, 2022, 3:14 PM
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Being in the BIG10 would be awesome, not so much in the SEC. We are still a big dog in the BIG10 but would be no better than 4th or 5th in getting publicity and respect in the SEC especially after Texas and Oklahoma join.
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Re: Anyone else worried B1G or ACC might be a real possibility?
Jul 8, 2022, 3:36 PM
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That's coot talk, period!!!
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The Big 10 makes more sense than the SEC
Jul 8, 2022, 3:16 PM
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when considering the entirety of all Clemson sports as you mentioned. I also think the Big 10 is a better fit for Clemson academically.
It will be interesting to see how Clemson evaluates its options. Given our history, my guess is that it will purely be a football decision. Most of our fans are probably fine with that. I'm not.
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The B1G is looking for AAU Members...
Jul 8, 2022, 3:20 PM
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which we are not. Not sure if we are a good fit academically or not based on that alone.
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Link that they require that for new members?
Jul 8, 2022, 3:23 PM
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Nebraska was added despite not being an AAU member.
I would be surprised if the Big 10 requires AAU membership, especially since it isn't a criteria for a good school academically. Clemson is a better school than a good chunk of the Big 10 schools based on several key metrics, so it's not like we wouldn't bring a good academic reputation to their conference.
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A) Link to where I said it was “required”?
Jul 8, 2022, 3:25 PM
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B) You should research the Nebraska situation. They were an AAU member when they were accepted into the B1G.
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Re: A) Link to where I said it was “required”?
Jul 8, 2022, 6:19 PM
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Cool! Now explain the Notre Dame invite (not an AAU member).
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ND is not in the B1G…
Jul 8, 2022, 6:21 PM
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HTH
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Re: ND is not in the B1G…
Jul 8, 2022, 7:23 PM
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Gene Smith is on THE record saying he hopes Notre Dame considers and joins the B1G should they join a conference
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Right…
Jul 8, 2022, 7:32 PM
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And I’m not trying to argue here, but this happens a lot, arguing over speculation, and I’m not sure why.
JK said our academics are more in line with the B1G.
The B1G has 0 schools who are not currently, or weren’t at their time of joining, members of the AAU.
The AAU is academics related.
Clemson is not a member of the AAU.
Clemson is not in line with the B1G academically.
Those are all facts. There is nothing to debate.
We can speculate about ND, Clemson, etc… and the future of the B1G all night. I’m sure ND, Clemson, and others could get in, but that is a separate discussion.
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Re: The B1G is looking for AAU Members...
Jul 8, 2022, 3:28 PM
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Not that anything can be relied on these days but I’ve seen multiple reports over the past week that the B1G could make an exception on the AAU preference for the right asset.
And who’s to say aligning the University with B1G schools doesn’t lead to an AAU membership in the future?
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No one is saying that things can't change for us or the...
Jul 8, 2022, 3:34 PM
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B1G in terms of AAU membership. JK said we are in line more with the B1G academically. There is not a B1G member who is not currently an AAU member or was an AAU member when they joined. We are not an AAU member, hence we are not in line with them academically. Pretty cut and dry.
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Re: No one is saying that things can't change for us or the...
Jul 8, 2022, 5:57 PM
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So ND can receive an invite without AAU, but only ND? That won’t set a precedent?
Just like ND can make the playoff without a conference, but only ND?
I’m not arguing, truly wondering if the double standard did ND applies to AAU as well (since we’ve been linked to them in at least one report from sources close to the situation)
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Re: No one is saying that things can't change for us or the...
Jul 8, 2022, 6:21 PM
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If they exceptions for Nebraska and Notre Dame, they will make one for us.
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No exception was made for Nebraska to get in.***
Jul 8, 2022, 6:24 PM
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Re: Who knows…
Jul 8, 2022, 7:26 PM
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Yes this is my point. Thank you. It’s the only reason I’m entertaining the notion (trust me, I know Nebraska was an AAU member when they were accepted)
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Same
Jul 8, 2022, 3:25 PM
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We’d be top dog in so many sports and we’d receive so much more exposure as THE Southern beacon of the B1G (see what I did there?) instead of just another Auburn in the SEC.
Gamedays in Clemson with an SEC schedule sound more exciting on the surface, but we would own a B1G slate.
OSU, UM, Penn State, USC (not UofSC), Wisc, ND (maybe), perhaps UNC, and even a rekindling of series with Maryland are intriguing, but not as *sexy* as UGA, LSU, Bama, Texas, OU, Auburn, A&M, Tennessee, etc etc.
I know college sports are becoming less about the college and more about the sports, but aligning our University with the B1G could pay dividends for everyone with a Clemson degree.
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Interesting points. If we went to the B1G...
Jul 9, 2022, 9:40 AM
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we could continue to be that thorn in the side for the SEC. The problem is that there are really no historical rivalries between Clemson and any B1G teams. Yes, we used to play Maryland and had some good games but not really a rivalry. OcryO State has emerged recently as a rival and that might be fun on an annual basis but playing the likes of UGA or LSU or Bama makes for can't miss games every year. This is a tough one to figure but I think Clemson is set up nicely whichever way it goes. I personally prefer the SEC but understand the points the OP was making, and they are something the Athletic Dept will need to figure out and soon.
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Re: The Big 10 makes more sense than the SEC
Jul 8, 2022, 4:17 PM
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Football rules and brings in the $. The more money we make helps our other programs as well. UNC basketball would dump it’s great rivalry with Duke to jump ship. The “normal” season for many teams would be tossed and the real basketball season would start in March with the NCAA Tournament, and bring expectations for BB. I can see why you would oppose the thought.
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Clemson is very average academically
Jul 8, 2022, 4:28 PM
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Top 100 for sure but nowhere near the top 25.
Engineering is okay, but we have GT, State, and VT all close by and much higher ranked than us.
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You're thinking about private and public schools
Jul 8, 2022, 4:38 PM
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combined. We've been a top 30 public university for a long time.
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Re: Clemson is very average academically
Jul 8, 2022, 6:23 PM
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VT is an excellent engineering school.
But engineering is more about the engineer than the school.
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NCSU #26, VT #30, Clemson #73
Jul 9, 2022, 4:30 AM
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We all used to be about even but the others have been rising over the years and Clemson has been dropping
https://www.usnews.com/best-graduate-schools/top-engineering-schools/eng-rankings The Best Engineering Schools in America, Ranked Before you can make your mark as an engineer, you need to find the graduate school that can best help you build your skills. With the U.S. News rankings of the top engineering schools, narrow your search by location, tuition, school size and test scores.
Here is another that has VT at 25, State at 32 and Clemson does not make the top 54
https://www.graduateshotline.com/ranks/
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Re: The Big 10 makes more sense than the SEC
Jul 8, 2022, 5:03 PM
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Yes but this isn’t about academics. It’s about football. Sec is the best choice.
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There is no way the SEC lets the BIG get a foot hold in the
Jul 8, 2022, 3:33 PM
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South with us.
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Re: There is no way the SEC lets the BIG get a foot hold in the
Jul 8, 2022, 7:44 PM
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So will the SEC find a way to sponsor all of our sports or allow us to gather at the Paw after games? I think either conference would be lucky to have us. It’s what our decision makers want, not us fans. If they think B1G is better for the school, and we get an invite, that’s where we’ll land
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Re: Anyone else worried B1G or ACC might be a real possibility?
Jul 8, 2022, 3:34 PM
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David is only repeating the gossip that he is hearing bc T-Netters demand to hear more on what's being said. If Clemson is in a situation that we have to make a conference change, the SEC won't let Clemson slip through their fingers bc, we have proven to be as good as any FB team in the SEC, the biggest money maker in college sports is FB. If and when the times comes for Clemson to change conferences, the SEC will bring us into their fold, and I personally believe that!!!
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Re: Anyone else worried B1G or ACC might be a real possibility?
Jul 8, 2022, 4:14 PM
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Not one bit. Whatever happens or doesn’t is completely out of my control. None of us has a vote, so why worry?
College football is rapidly transitioning to something almost unrecognizable.
Hopefully the product of these changes continues to interest me, if not, it was fun while it lasted.
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Re: Anyone else worried B1G or ACC might be a real possibility?
Jul 8, 2022, 4:23 PM
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Pray we get in the SEC.
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Where are you getting that the
Jul 8, 2022, 4:25 PM
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B1G or SEC will be expanding further? Seems you're putting the cart before the horse.
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As long as we’re SEC or B1G I’m fine with it
Jul 8, 2022, 5:05 PM
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We need to keep getting top players and we need to be on a level playing field payout wise.
If those things happen Clemson will continue to be a top program
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Re: Anyone else worried B1G or ACC might be a real possibility?
Jul 8, 2022, 6:32 PM
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I don’t think the BIG is out of the question. While I like the regional rivalry of playing in SEC there could be other factors. Also think they might want Clemson more than SEC. I could see them want to dip into south for recruiting and to get into the backyard of SEC. If I were them I would try to get Clemson ND UNC and Miami.
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Re: Anyone else worried B1G or ACC might be a real possibility?
Jul 8, 2022, 7:02 PM
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No!! I don’t worry about anything that’s beyond my control. I have a life, job, nice home, and most people on this board do as well. Why worry about something that’s out of your control? I don’t get it.
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it's in some folks DNA to worry
Jul 8, 2022, 7:17 PM
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they can't help it, I'm one unfortunately, wish I wasn't.
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Big 10 Championship Games! Real Competition for OSU
Jul 8, 2022, 7:19 PM
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When OSU invitational has them vs. either Northwestern or Wisconsin or Iowa? Really?
I mean, only Ohio State has been challenged for a championship in football since the playoffs started! I think Michigan St. may have made the playoffs one year, but lost in the semi-final(don't quote me). But, since 2000 no Big 10 team not named Buckeyes has really been a National player!
If the SEC had its way; "even the mighty Big 10" would not get an invite! Am I lying? (to realists who pay attention to the sec rhetoric).
I could easily see them wanting to have a "football school" in the South that could challenge the Buckeyes! Perhaps make it more exciting than it is currently; because now! To help go to sleep; I turn it to 610 on DirecTV and watch old Big 10 in 60 games if Clemson isn't on the ACC network.
On the primus of more representation on the National scene outside of occasionally Penn St., Michigan(oops didn't they make it last year) who else you got? That's what they thought they were getting with the big bad Cornhuskers of Nebraska.
But, much like Miami has faltered since entering the ACC Nebraska has fallen on hard times in the Big 10.
Clemson in short would make for better TV in my opinion for the Big 10 front office and network contract affiliates. Plus, perhaps have someone else besides OSU that can step on the field with the top SEC teams and have a good shot of winning! Just my thoughts.
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Re: Big 10 Championship Games! Real Competition for OSU
Jul 8, 2022, 7:37 PM
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Exactly. I think those who think Clemson would never be considered are the ones who just don’t want to admit that we may not end up in the SEC.
B1G could quite possibly be the best thing that ever happened to Clemson University. We’d be media darlings at Fox. There are so many Ohioans/midwesterners at Clemson and in SC. It’s not hat far fetched.
No matter how weak it is, no one ever drags the B1G SOS
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Re: Big 10 Championship Games! Real Competition for OSU
Jul 8, 2022, 7:37 PM
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Exactly. I think those who think Clemson would never be considered are the ones who just don’t want to admit that we may not end up in the SEC.
B1G could quite possibly be the best thing that ever happened to Clemson University. We’d be media darlings at Fox. There are so many Ohioans/midwesterners at Clemson and in SC. It’s not hat far fetched.
No matter how weak it is, no one ever drags the B1G SOS
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