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The ACC waiting to make a move, is basically "waiting to die
Jul 19, 2022, 11:35 AM
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" in my opinion....... If the ACC wants to stay a conference, it must ADD some teams and renegotiate the TV deal or die a slow death......
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Re: The ACC waiting to make a move, is basically "waiting to die
Jul 19, 2022, 11:35 AM
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ACC is already dead. It's like shifting deck chairs on the Titanic at this point.
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Re: The ACC waiting to make a move, is basically "waiting to die
Jul 19, 2022, 11:43 AM
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As I have commented before, adding Penn St., Texas Tech, Baylor, and Okla. St. would make for a better conference. Don't know if we could get any of them but worth a try. Just my opinion.
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Re: The ACC waiting to make a move, is basically "waiting to die
Jul 19, 2022, 11:45 AM
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Penn St. will not leave the BiG. They would be taking a pay cut.
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Re: The ACC waiting to make a move, is basically "waiting to die
Jul 19, 2022, 11:49 AM
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Why on earth would Penn State leave their (coming) $100 million/year in the B1G to move to the ACC?
As to the others, ESPN might not think they add much value and might not be willing to pay any more.
The biggest problem for the ACC is that there simply aren't many 'brands' available (not already in or committed to the B1G or SEC) that will move the needle, except for Notre Dame.
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Are $100 million per team payouts already contracted
Jul 19, 2022, 11:54 AM
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Or is that just the guess?
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Re: Are $100 million per team payouts already contracted
Jul 19, 2022, 12:06 PM
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an estimate. This is from last year and I believe the below is just TV payout for football and not including basketball, bowl games, CFP payouts, conference networks etc. unless otherwise stated.
AAC
In 2019, the 11-school league reached an agreement with ESPN on a 12-year, $1 billion deal; it started in the fall of 2020 and runs through the 2031-32 academic year. The deal averages $83.3 million per year, which means each school receives about $7 million annually. (Navy is in the league for football only; league member Wichita State does not play football.)
ACC
The league’s 20-year top-tier deal with ESPN runs through 2036. It pays about $240 million annually, meaning each of the 14 schools gets about $17 million.
Big Ten
The league is in the middle of a six-year, $2.64 billion deal with Fox and ESPN that expires in 2023 and currently makes it the lead dog in annual TV revenue. The league gets about $440 million a year in TV money (including from the Fox-run Big Ten Network), meaning each of the 14 schools receives about $31.4 million. With CBS losing its SEC deal, might that network want a piece of Big Ten football? Negotiations for the league’s next TV contract will be mighty interesting.
Big 12
The league is in the midst of a 13-year deal with ESPN and Fox that ends in 2025, and reports earlier this year said the networks were not interested in early renegotiations. That is one of the reasons Oklahoma and Texas are leaving the league. The current deal pays the 10-school league about $200 million annually.
Conference USA
In 2018, the league announced a five-year deal with CBS Sports Network to serve as the primary rights holder. Stadium and Facebook also carry some of the league’s football and basketball games. Schools receive between $400,000 and $500,000 annually.
Mid-American
In 2019, the league and CBS Sports Network announced a four-year extension to televise football and basketball games through the 2022-2023 season. The deal, a four-year extension from the original agreement signed in the 2015-2016 season, is through a sublicense agreement with ESPN. The deal is worth about $8 million a year, which means each of the 12 schools receives about $600,000 annually.
Mountain West
The league has a six-year deal — through the 2025-26 academic year — with CBS and Fox that will pay the league $270 million. CBS is the primary partner. Each of the 12 schools receives about $4 million annually.
Pac-12
A 12-year, $3 billion contract with Fox and ESPN that pays each school about $21 million annually expires in the summer of 2024.
SEC
ESPN will be the exclusive home of SEC football and men’s basketball starting in 2024. The 10-year contract reportedly will be worth more than $300 million annually for the league; that is on top of the current deal with ESPN (that one also ends in 2034) that includes the televising of certain football and basketball games and the SEC Network. Consider that the current deal with CBS is worth $55 million a year. And consider that SEC expansion almost certainly will lead to a re-opening of negotiations. (Under that new ESPN deal, the 14 member schools would’ve expected to receive about $40 million a year solely from the league’s TV deal. In the 2018-19 fiscal year, each SEC school received about $44 million total from the SEC’s entire revenue distribution system.)
Sun Belt
The league announced in July that it had extended its agreement with ESPN through the 2030-31 academic year. Each school is believed to make about $500,000 annually.
Notre Dame
In 2013, NBC Sports Group announced a 10-year contract extension to televise Irish football games. The extension began in 2016 and will run through the 2025 season. The deal reportedly pays Notre Dame $15 million annually.
College Football Playoff
ESPN pays the CFP $470 million annually in a deal that runs through 2025-26. Figures from the 2019-20 season show that each of the Power 5 leagues received a baseline $67 million; the other five FBS conferences shared $92 million. That $470 million is with a four-team playoff; playoff expansion is expected to easily triple (and come close to quadrupling) that amount.
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The ACC makes about $35 million in TV contracts.
Jul 20, 2022, 11:21 AM
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Not sure where you're getting $17 million each.
In the last fiscal year report, which was based on the covid year when the B1G didn't play a full schedule, the B1G and SEC each got about $55 million per team, while the ACC got about $35 million each.
Key thing is - we make enough money to have every facility and coach we need win at the highest level. Obviously.
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The ACC isn't dead.
Jul 20, 2022, 11:07 AM
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We can win a national title from this league just the same as we have. And the same will be true when the B1G and SEC move to 16 teams. Just because USC, UCLA, Oklahoma, and Texas are moving to new conferences, that doesn't eliminate our place should we go undefeated.
Those new teams don't mean more slots for those conferences. If Clemson runs the table in the ACC wins the title and goes undefeated, then we're in. Period. No one loss team from any conference will ever get in ahead of Clemson.
As far as conference, same in basketball. The ACC had 3 of 8 teams in the final 8 this past season and will always have a great shot at winning titles in the 2nd leading money generator in college sports.
Again, the ACC is not dead. Not today for sure, and if the new model of college football is a P4 with 16-team conferences, then there are many options for the league to expand and gain two schools. It may not amount to the same TV contract as the SEC and B1G, but then again we have succeeded above everyone except Alabama even with existing deficits with teams in the B1G and SEC.
And if college football moves to a NFL model, with two big conferences and divisions, then the B1G and SEC will need to expand. If this scenario pans out, then we're at the top of the heap for expansion selection.
Either way, the ACC is not dead. We can win titles now just the same as we have. If the new model is 16 teams, then the ACC will need to grow. We can still do what we've done. If the new model follows an NFL structure, then we're part of that and win championships in that scenario as well.
No worries.
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Re: The ACC waiting to make a move, is basically "waiting to die
Jul 19, 2022, 11:48 AM
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I suspect the ACC isn't doing anything because so many of the members are poised to jump ship to either the SEC or BIG.
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Re: The ACC waiting to make a move, is basically "waiting to die
Jul 19, 2022, 11:56 AM
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I don't think that enough ACC teams would add enough value to either of those conferences to trigger a break-up of the ACC.
I can realistically see UNC, UVA, GT (and Notre Dame) being appealing to the B1G. I can realistically see Clemson, FSU, Miami, NCSU, and VT being appealing to the SEC. I assume it would take all of them being on the same page to break up the conference.
But the B1G and SEC aren't in the business of offering charity to ACC programs. So I just don't think this is likely to happen. If the B1G isn't interested in adding Washington and Oregon now, they aren't going to be in a rush to add ACC programs, IMHO.
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its just unfortunate that the teams in our conference never
Jul 19, 2022, 11:51 AM
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got their crap together and boosted their football programs. They all just withered away. Miami and Vtech? what happened to ya'll? FSU? Ya'll killed it. NCstate...guess they're not tired of being pretenders. You can't hire MAC coaches (meaning only paying what MAC coaches will take) and then expect to be CFP contenders. I know its not like we hired some huge name but our situation is one in a million with Dabo. But the others had to make moves that would overhaul their programs and they never would. FSU hiring down was astounding. FSU should have been going big name, sure-fire primo coach and they go with a mid major like NCSU and Vtech does. They became just another turd circling the toilet bowl.
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^^^ This .....UM/VT/FSU in the early 2000,s were going to be
Jul 19, 2022, 12:00 PM
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world beaters.....then UM/VT joined the ACC and went to crap
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Re: its just unfortunate that the teams in our conference never
Jul 19, 2022, 12:01 PM
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You are 100% spot on.
The ACC made great decisions with expansion and then all the teams crapped out. To be fair, Clemson went a long time without holding up our end of the bargain.
I can't even criticize FSU too much, because Jimbo (temporarily) brought them back. It sounds like the issue in Tallahassee is more about the school's investment in athletics. But Miami crapped out. Virginia Tech crapped out. Syracuse and BC never performed at their historical levels.
But FSU, Miami, and VT were major brands when they joined the conference.
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Re: its just unfortunate that the teams in our conference never
Jul 19, 2022, 12:07 PM
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Everyone but Clemson stopped investing in football. Clemson not only didnt stop but they increased investment. Other schools are trying to catch up but they are about a decade too late.
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Re: its just unfortunate that the teams in our conference never
Jul 19, 2022, 4:47 PM
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If I remember correctly (and I do), VT won the ACC four of the first seven years we were members and play4d for the ACC championship at least two other times. In fact, it was Clemson who knocked them off that perch, and after that, Beamer got long in the tooth and it began to fade. The 2012 ACCCG that Clemson won going away set the tone and Clemson never backed off. Dabo got his train running and it has been Clemson pretty much ever since up until last year with FSU's run to the BCS the year before the CFP started the exception.
I will say out loud here that VT made a grave mistake with Justin Fuente. Fool's gold, and we fell for it...for six long years.
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The ACC has nothing of new value to negotiate a new TV deal,
Jul 19, 2022, 11:59 AM
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and there are no schools out there with sufficient football value AND sufficient stupidity at this point that would join the ACC and ADD that value.
You are not going to change the outcome of a Firing Squad when you are on the wrong end of the rifle.
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I don't see how the ACC can make any move of significance
Jul 19, 2022, 12:01 PM
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at this point.
Who is the ACC supposed to get to join that moves the needle in any appreciable way, to the point that our TV deal is on the same level as what the Big 10 and SEC will have?
No SEC or Big 10 team is likely to leave to join the ACC. The cost would likely be too great.
So that leaves the Big XII and Pac 12. Even if we take the best remaining teams from those conferences, such as Baylor, Oklahoma State, Oregon, and Washington, that doesn't add the necessary star power to the ACC.
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There's two problems with that
Jul 19, 2022, 12:01 PM
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1) There isn't much left to add that would really move the needle. The ACC has no path to even getting close to the level of the Big 2.
2) I'm pretty sure if the ACC attempts to renegotiate their deal it gives Clemson and everyone else looking to bolt a way out the back door.
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Adding Oregon and Washington would be Huge TV markets compar
Jul 19, 2022, 12:07 PM
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ed to the majority of ACC schools......Throw a Baylor/TCU and Ok St. in there and you have covered alot of "TV" markets.....
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Re: There's two problems with that
Jul 19, 2022, 1:15 PM
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The ACC's TV contracts has built into it 5 year "look in" windows. During these windows, the contract can be reopened. This does not affect the GOR.
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Let's be honest...
Jul 19, 2022, 12:04 PM
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there really isn't a team or a group of teams the ACC can add that will result in a new TV contract that is on par with the $EC and the BIG. That's just reality which is why ACC teams should be looking to get out. The potential financial repercussion are just too great to stay in the ACC.
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This would make for a solid football division with at least
Jul 19, 2022, 12:22 PM
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two highly marketable games per week for our media partner(s)...
Clemson
Miami
FSU
Va Tech
West Va
NC State
Pitt
Louisville
UNC
8 of these programs are current ACC members and together we could quash the GOR by voting to disband the ACC, or threatening such to force a complete renegotiation.
It's not so much adding teams that the ACC needs to better position its football brands, it's simply lifting the shackles off of our football brands, scheduling them more often, and letting them reap the financial benefits for doing so.
While the above might not add up to $100 Million each per year (will believe that when I see it for others), it's in the $75-80 Million range with the smaller number of programs having to split the spoils. The math leading here is that today the league is generating $360 million for football and only putting out 12 contests annually involving the above. This would push that number to 27. There is value there.
Let the remaining schools form a second division for football, keep all other sports in place, add a few 'football affiliates' there to get to 9 teams (USF, Memphis, UConn), schedule a few crossover games between the divisions, and let them split the $200 Mill or so that division could generate. At season's end the division winner could play the top division winner for the league championship so everyone's in the hunt. If a top program can't deliver, and a second division team is, swap them out.
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Re: This would make for a solid football division with at least
Jul 19, 2022, 6:48 PM
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I think the problem with those schools agreeing to that would be paranoia. An nc State wouldn't go along in fear that they helped break up the league and get hung out to dry when the rest bolt to greener pastures.
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Does Raycom have any clout ?? Should flex its
Jul 19, 2022, 1:05 PM
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I kid ... I kid.
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Re: The ACC waiting to make a move, is basically "waiting to die
Jul 19, 2022, 4:50 PM
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I believe adding teams voids the GOR.
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Re: The ACC waiting to make a move, is basically "waiting to die
Jul 20, 2022, 1:25 AM
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No team will join the ACC with the ridiculous and restrictive GOR deal.
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Re: The ACC waiting to make a move, is basically "waiting to die
Jul 20, 2022, 10:44 AM
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I think the ACC will eventually fold. But what happens if the ACC wins every out of conference game this year? It’s not likely but I would like to see how espn would spin that! GO TIGERS
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Per reports this week at media days
Jul 20, 2022, 5:36 AM
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The ACC is negotiating, and possibly poised to add some schools from other conferences, to close the projected revenue gap. I think this also opens their current contract for renegotiations.
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