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If Cade shows out in the OB it will resurrect the dead horse
Dec 29, 2022, 11:01 AM
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subject of DJ vs Cade vs SC. I hope he shows out but we don’t need to beat that dead horse. But as another poster said, the DJ 2 year saga will have to have its own chapter in Dabo’s biography after he retires. Still don’t understand it but gotta turn it loose.
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Re: If Cade shows out in the OB it will resurrect the dead horse
Dec 29, 2022, 11:04 AM
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Well regardless I think everyone including most SC fans know the outcome would've been different. At this point it just needs to be left in the past and let Nov 2023 take care of it.
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as it should......cost us a playoff birth and let our
Dec 29, 2022, 11:04 AM
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instate rival beat us AT home and lose the longest Home winning streak.... it was disgusting to watch us throw the game away.
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where were you on the sidelines?***
Dec 29, 2022, 11:56 AM
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Re: If Cade shows out in the OB it will resurrect the dead horse
Dec 29, 2022, 11:04 AM
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You are so right. All the hand wringing and gnashing of teeth will be front and center playing the "what if" game...
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stop it's over
Dec 29, 2022, 11:05 AM
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everyone wanted to beat scu.
it's in the past.
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the inexplicable past****
Dec 29, 2022, 11:08 AM
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The results of it are in the present ***
Dec 29, 2022, 11:13 AM
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Re: stop it's over
Dec 30, 2022, 10:28 PM
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Dabo didn't he played DJ
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Re: If Cade shows out in the OB it will resurrect the dead horse
Dec 29, 2022, 11:08 AM
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As far as I'm concerned DJU is in the past. Its Cade's team now. I hope he goes out and puts on another show like he did against UNC. If he does, only thing to bring up is the excitement we should all feel going into 2023. Coulda Woulda Shoulda doesn't matter. Need the confidence of this team to be high going into week one.
Liked DJU and wish him well at Oregon St next season, but he is the past, let's move on.
Go Tigers
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Re: If Cade shows out in the OB it will resurrect the dead horse
Dec 29, 2022, 11:31 AM
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Yep, the best QB finally starting and a New Year .. looking forward not back.
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Oh, the dead horse carcass will be sprayed to kill off the
Dec 29, 2022, 11:15 AM
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maggots so it can be dragged out and beat again... regardless of the outcome. If Cade plays poorly - See, the coaches were right all along, he wasn't ready and DJ deserved to start. If Cade plays great - Well, I told y'all all season that we should bench DJ and go with Cade. Blah blah blah. I think people will be talking about this for years to come. Somebody need to call a taxidermist....
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I half agree and half disagree . . .
Dec 29, 2022, 11:32 AM
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I think you make a good point . . . the folks complaining about "beating a dead horse" (not entirely, but mostly sunshine pumpers) concerning the QB saga, want to offer the narrative that only the critics are eager to pounce with an "I told you so," while they themselves (the pumpers), are fair-minded and duly patient . . . when we know dang well that if CK plays bad or questionably, many pumpers (not all) will then wrongly portray that as a sufficient sample size with which to support their narrative that benching DJ earlier was not called for (whilst ignoring an even greater sample size of CK's work up to this point to the contrary (part of the SYR game, and almost all of the UNC game). Those who do so will have the problem of not recognizing that this was never a "one game proves the point" endeavor, in **either** direction. It was always an argument about the apparent trend and effect of CK's play and apparent potential compared to banging our heads against the wall with the status quo when DJ was playing poorly.
On the other hand, if CK plays well, it does help the contrary narrative. It's not like it's an equal opportunity chance for hypocrisy. If CK plays well, it'll be another data point in the favor of the criticism that the benching of DJ was put off too long - which is not the same as saying that CK is or will be flawless. It's about general trends over time, consistency, and it was always going to be a larger sample size of DJ vs. a smaller sample size of CK and all that entails. That's just the nature of the beast with a backup QB. But a good Orange Bowl, added to a good ACCCG, added to a solid and at times great whilst limited snaps showing vs. SYR, even when mixed w/ the horrendous decision CK made vs. ND in one snap in a bad scenario, is not an unfair or superficially opportunistic "I told you so," data point - it actually would be a legitimate one.
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The only real way to put it to bed is for all the denial . .
Dec 29, 2022, 11:18 AM
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about the truth of the criticism to stop. All the complaining about the beating of the dead horse is off the mark. The real problem is that Dabo and Streeter and their defenders on this matter denied it up one side and down the other when it was happening, and then, when the pudding yielded the proof, they turned their efforts to chastising anyone who noticed. The "dead horse" is their fault. No one elses. No one's at all.
I partially take back my subject line, thought. There are two ways to put it to bed. One is for the denials on the accuracy of the criticism to cease and for mea culpas to happen. The other is time. Time will dispense of it eventually. But until then, denying the truth of the matter won't make it go away any faster. In fact, those who complain about the beating of the dead horse are only prolonging the matter. A certain amount of justified griping is in order. The more the pumpers shout that down, the more they invite and deserve.
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Re: The only real way to put it to bed is for all the denial . .
Dec 29, 2022, 11:22 AM
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But don't you think we should be getting past the "justified griping" by now? I'm not sure there is much left to say that hasn't already been said.
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Yes and no . . .
Dec 29, 2022, 11:49 AM
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When it comes to gratuitous, unsolicited griping - just bringing it up for no other reason than to vent - I fully agree with you. I don't do any of that myself anymore. The relevant window for that has passed. No matter how vociferously I argued and how hot I was about the matter, the relevant window for "mere" griping for griping's sake has passed. So yeah, I take your point there and I agree fully. 1000%.
But there's another dimension to this or any other similar controversy dynamic. When the Ministry of Truth decides to weave a narrative, and enforce it on dissidents by way of chastisements and haranguing, then they invite indignation that isn't the same as gratuitous belly-aching. When you chastise and berate people for noticing things and saying so, and then when they're proven right about it, you then move the goal posts to "let it go," then what you're really doing is giving yourself a smoke screen for being wrong, and changing the subject to their persistence. If you're arguing just as hard as they were until you lose the argument, and then changing tacks to accusing them of being obsessed and overly persistent, that's not honest, not candid, and the folks having that playbook run on them will be understandably irked, and often will say so. That's not their fault - that's the fault of the one's running that scam on them.
So, if anyone posts or comments on Dabo/Streeter's decision(s), just for fun, or just the stir the storm again, then yeah, that should be over and done with. But when the narrative enforcements and chastisements come from the other side, then they are the one's raising the issue again (often gratuitously themselves, even sometimes under the guise of "I hope the critics don't start beating the dead horse again"), then it's a different matter.
To be fair, I'm not sure if that's what the OP was doing or not. He may have been saying he didn't understand the staff's decisions, but he still wanted the issue to die down. That's fair enough. I wasn't quite sure how to read his comments.
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Carolina fans stormed the field in Death Valley and planted
Dec 29, 2022, 11:22 AM
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their flag on the 40 yard line.
Clemson did not make it to the CFP in Atlanta to avenge a game vs Georgia.
This dead horse never died. It is a stain on the legacy of the program that we now need to overwrite.
DJU never won a single big time game. Moreover, his losses were generally single TD losses that had pick 6s or handoff 6s.
CK2 will shine and the DJU fandom will be over. The dark chapter of Dabo is in the past but it will never be forgotten.
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the stain is the coots 100 years of terrible coot football
Dec 29, 2022, 11:34 AM
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take the 1 point gift and be happy.
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If you aren't self flagellating, you're not a real fan.
Dec 29, 2022, 11:25 AM
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Got to show your displeasure relentlessly at every possibility. If you aren't miserable, you aren't trying.
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Re: If you aren't self flagellating, you're not a real fan.
Dec 29, 2022, 11:28 AM
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You must be a real riot at parties 
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Would someone cremate the
Dec 29, 2022, 11:36 AM
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####### horse.
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It was a big mistake by the coaches. But we all make em
Dec 29, 2022, 11:42 AM
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and can't really undo them.
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That's fair enough . . . but it's also fair enough . ..
Dec 7, 2021, 8:01 PM
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to point out that the coaches have not even hinted at the reality you just stated. They've tried to enforce the opposite narrative right down to the bitter end. THAT, even more so than the horrible decision itself, is the reason so many find it hard to let it go.
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Re: That's fair enough . . . but it's also fair enough . ..
Dec 29, 2022, 12:13 PM
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Do you know what's great? The one person at the center of this is a 19 yo kid who always has a smile on his face and nothing but praise and admiration for the guy who played in front of him all year. You don't get any sense from him that he blames anyone or is upset that his time didn't come sooner. Maybe he hides it very well but hiding feelings and emotions is not something most 19-year-olds are good at.
Cade is clearly a remarkable young man and was raised the right way. You haven't heard anything from his parents either, unlike DJ's Dad who I think may have contributed to some of DJ's insecurities but that is a whole other topic for discussion.
I'm just starting to realize how fortunate we are to have our new QB1 spreading his wings and taking flight. I'm excited to see him play in the OB and I'm really excited to see him get started fresh next year as QB1 for hopefully an entire season.
Let the CK era begin and may it be wildly successful...
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All true . . .
Dec 29, 2022, 2:32 PM
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. . . and that's appropriate for him. It would look like competitive sour grapes if he had complained about it. His attitude as the backup is exactly what you're want it to be. Of course, that doesn't mean the decision was right, but yes, he held up well under the circumstances.
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Re: If Cade shows out in the OB it will resurrect the dead horse
Dec 29, 2022, 11:43 AM
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Perhaps less posts about it would be a start?
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At this point***
Dec 29, 2022, 12:23 PM
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Let those who wanna drink the poison of "what if" stay in their fits of misery.
Insanity is doing the same thing over again expecting different results and those who choose to stay in the what if game (and yes, it's a choice) deserve the frustration until they decide they've had enough and wanna move forward.
That said, I'm rooting for Cade to have another monster game and get us primed for a run in 2023
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That horse needs to be beaten enough to insure
Dec 29, 2022, 12:52 PM
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it NEVER HAPPENS AGAIN!!!!!
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Re: That horse needs to be beaten enough to insure
Dec 29, 2022, 1:53 PM
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Except everyone doing the beating has absolutely no influence over assuring it never happens again.
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Hmmm . . .
Dec 29, 2022, 2:47 PM
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Everyone doing the defending and smoke-acreening and complaining about the horse-beating also have no influence over any of this either (either the coaching decisions or the complaining).
Besides, I'm not so sure it's without effect at all as you say. The overall level of discontent and irritation at stupid coaching decisions and after-the-fact defenses of them does hang around like a dark cloud. If coaches didn't notice it they wouldn't comment on "the naysayers." They are, indeed aware. It may not be any sort of explicit or conscious basis for future decisions, but if it didn't at least help maintain the intensity of their awareness of their failure in this regard (and their refusal to acknowledge it, even tacitly or subtly), such that they can't uphold cognitive dissonance forever (including next time a similar situation arises), then they wouldn't complain about the "naysayers," and folks wouldn't complain about beating a dead horse.
In other words, let them eat cake. Heat, kitchen, and all that. Anyone who's gonna make, defend, and refuse to acknowledge stupid decisions, is just gonna have to live with the complaints they've earned.
Again, it will die down naturally, eventually. But no one on the pumper-propaganda end has the prerogative to make it stop. The whole mess is their baby.
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Re: Hmmm . . .
Dec 29, 2022, 3:52 PM
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Or maybe the coaches dig their heels in and go even harder on what they believe is right so they can prove everyone else wrong? The reality is that fan discontent is so ingrained in the job expectation that I honestly don't think they pay that much attention to either scenario. You either believe in what you are doing or you don't. And if what used to work no longer works then you adapt but I don't think Dabo believes what he is doing is not working. We were never going to make the playoffs every year but you also don't want to fall too far behind and form a negative trend.
I still believe in Dabo and think he will find the right balance. He is a proven winner, stubborn at times to a fault, but also as competitive as they come. He won't be satisfied with anything short of giving his best and while we may have lost a little momentum, we still have a lot to build on and I think next year is going to be pretty special if we stay healthy.
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No . . .
Dec 29, 2022, 11:41 PM
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I mean, yeah, that does happen. I'm not saying it's not (as in "never") a thing that happens. I do know fan discontent can get out of control and reflexive and thoughtless and so forth, and when the coaches dig their heels in in those situations, fine, and good on them, and so forth.
But this does not preclude that the shoe can be on the other foot at times. And in this case it is. And by the way, not making the playoffs every year has absolutely nothing whatsoever, **at all,** in any way, with any of this. That's just a stock, reflexive CYA line the staff and some defenders on this controversy have thrown out in order to paint the criticism as simply general mal-contentedness, rather than the substantive position that it is. The fact that they make up stuff like that "ahh, you just expect us to make the playoffs every year - you're unreasonable!" is a purposeful smokescreen that shows that they really **do** understand the substantive basis of the critique, but would prefer to avoid it with smoke screens. If they understand the controversy and the lay of the land in term of fan, alumni, and supporter discontentedness enough to throw up such bogus defenses, then, by definition, they are feeling some heat. I'm not saying an explicit mea culpa will ensue. But if everyone parrots and swallows their non-sense from this year, they will have less, uh, critical friction and cognitive dissonance to deal with. If they feel the heat, and I believe they do, then next time they are tempted to sit there with their thumbs up their keisters while we lose unnecessarily to an inferior SC team of all opponents - they'll think twice. They'll hear about that botched deal all off-season, and they should, too. It's their baby.
I believe in Dabo too, and yes, I agree he is a proven winner. I also agree that he is sometimes stubborn to a fault. This is most certainly one of those times.
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Re: If Cade shows out in the OB it will resurrect the dead horse
Dec 29, 2022, 3:33 PM
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Ithom,
Thank-you for bringing it up now so we can beat on it now -
AND later, after CK shows out in the OB.
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my theory on it all:
Dec 29, 2022, 6:59 PM
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portal was the gun at Dabo's temple. Knowing if he sat him, he'd be gone, he couldn't afford to be stuck with Cade at #1 and I suppose Hunter J as backup. I mean, look what actually happened - as soon as he was sat for good, he was in the portal faster than you could blink an eye. Even if it wasnt portal time yet, he was psychologically in it as soon as he was unseated as #1. The portal is to blame.
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Re: If Cade shows out in the OB it will resurrect the dead horse
Dec 29, 2022, 7:05 PM
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What is funny is there's an old saying of never let a loss to one team beat you twice. That's what a lot of the guys that still whine about the Scar game don't realize. It's over, there's no amount of whining or complaining about it that's going to change the L. DJ is gone, It's Cades team now. Move on already, don't let the cloud of one defeat carry over to another game.
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That dead horse has left the stable ...
Dec 29, 2022, 7:08 PM
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Cade Klubnik is head and shoulders a more talented QB than DJ-U, and it's not close.
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Re: That dead horse has left the stable ...
Dec 30, 2022, 2:37 AM
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I kindly submit that the serial dead horse beaters perhaps find another activity to waste their time with. Some people fish, others play golf. At any rate there has to be other things more rewarding in life than this..
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holy necromancer***
Dec 30, 2022, 10:29 PM
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