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Spurrier and the long term success of SCar?
Dec 3, 2013, 10:40 AM
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I keep thinking that, ok finally SC got a legend of a coach (1 out of 2) that actually turned the program around.
One of two things are going to happen:
SCar is solid for his tenure and then drops their level of play upon his departure.
Spurrier along with the 20+ year gamble of joining the SEC permanently pays off for SCar and they continue this winning tradition.
I know we would hate to sit around to wait for him to leave in order to return to regular winning, but it may be the case. I am ok with this as long as the second doesn't happen.
However, I am getting more and more worried that the ACC/SEC difference is the real problem here. Too many cupcake games to prepare for overcoming adversity against top ranked opponents.
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Reality is that the SEC Least is no better than the ACC
Dec 3, 2013, 10:46 AM
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West is a little different story...but I'd put us/FSU against any of them. The SEC is the greatest is a myth perpetrated by their marketing tool ESecPN. The fact that an SEC team may not be playing for the NC has them sweating bullets.
Go Buckeyes!
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I don't know what makes you guys look worse
Dec 3, 2013, 10:48 AM
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discrediting how strong the SEC is...
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discrediting how good SCU is...
and I'm a die-hard Tiger, but I like to think I have a little sense
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Legend [15787]
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Who is you guys?
Dec 3, 2013, 11:05 AM
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Never said that the SEC was not the strongest conference. I just don't think that they are heads and shoulders above every other conference. USuCk is a good team...they are not a great team...neither are we. 6 turnovers and a QB that refused to lose is why they won Saturday.
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How can you ignore seven consecutive national titles...
Dec 3, 2013, 10:52 AM
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and the beatings Ga Tech and Clemson get every year during rivalry week? What conference is better than the SEC over the greater part of the last decade?
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at least 1 of those years, the nc didn't deserve to be in
Dec 3, 2013, 12:56 PM
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the game. that is where the sec bias pays off. preseason position helps them out to no end, and it is perpetuated throughout the season, as conference losses inside the sec, do not count as much as any non-sec teams losses count . check it out if you think i am wrong.
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SEC power is not a myth but self fulfilling prophecy
Dec 3, 2013, 10:58 AM
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I am sure we've read the article where the SEC myth is turned into reality by:
Preseason polls inflate SEC ranks. When #1 and #4 play from the SEC, the loser never drops out of the top ten. ESPN makes it happen for them contractually.
So THAT is a reality.
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Pre-season polls certainly inflate the worth of SEC teams...
Dec 3, 2013, 11:05 AM
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I definitely agree with that. However, you can't ignore the product on the field. Their teams are good. Auburn, Mizzou, and Bama are all very good teams. All are in the Top 5 and have a combined 33-3 record. LSU, A&M, and SCar are all good, too. They would all have 10-11 wins in the ACC, if not better. I don't think any of these teams can beat a healthy and clicking FSU, but there are 6 strong teams in that conference. If Georgia stayed healthy, you could make that 7.
The ACC has 1 very good team and that is FSU.
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Agree. Also, it can't be just a matter of pre-season...
Dec 3, 2013, 11:11 AM
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poll inflation. Notice that Auburn and Missouri are top five teams even though not rated highly in pre-season polls. They've earned their rankings.
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I think the long term results of ESPN/SEC partnership
Dec 3, 2013, 11:19 AM
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Are that now the SEC is elite. Now they are better and also have the ESPN myth pushing them even higher.
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Re: Agree. Also, it can't be just a matter of pre-season...
Dec 3, 2013, 11:25 AM
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How did Missouri jump up the rankings? By beating Florida who proved they were never as good as their ranking. Auburn was always talented and barring them giving up last season would have been ranked to start the year. When you have teams like Tenn, Kentucky, Florida and Arky who can't beat anyone, you have to have 10 win teams. So you start with 6 teams in the top 15 and 4 teams who can't fight their way out of a wet paper bag. Who is left to take down the big boys? Vandy, Ole Miss, MSST, Mizzou, Auburn? Well it just so happens that when they do not only do the big boys stay ranked but you boost these teams up in to the rankings.
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Re: Reality is that the SEC Least is no better than the ACC
Dec 3, 2013, 12:59 PM
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The "Least" has a top 5 team nationally, and a top 10 team nationally. It has two other teams with a chance to finish with 9 wins that finished their seasons with wins over ACC opponents. Last weekend, the "Least" went 3-0 versus the ACC.
Which ACC division is as good as that?
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Re: Spurrier and the long term success of SCar?
Dec 3, 2013, 10:53 AM
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You bring up an interesting topic and one that I've been thinking about since the abortion that was Saturday night...
Spurrier certainly has a lot to do with their success-- no doubt about it. Their recruiting is improved and he's a great offensive mind when he's not flipping QBs every play. However, their talent probably isn't as good as ours is which, while alarming since we keep losing to them, is a good thing.
With that said, 5 in a row combined with the force that the SEC has become is going to start to sting us on the recruiting trail. Next year's HS Seniors were in the 6th grade the last time we beat South Carolina. On top of that, the SEC is only becoming more powerful-- their network begins next year. Now, if we were an elite national power that had the tradition of, say, Alabama, I wouldn't be too concerned. Our history and our name would ensure that, in the long term, we were THE program... But we aren't Alabama. In most peoples' eyes, we're on the same level as South Carolina in terms of presitge. To us the gap is huge. To the casual football fan, there really is no gap. A lot of forces seem to be working against us right now, and for all of our historical supremacy over SCar, the gap is obviously starting to close. I think the next 5-10 years will say an awful lot about the future of this rivalry.
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Great points. The dynamics of college football are...
Dec 3, 2013, 11:07 AM
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definitely changing and Clemson fans ought to be very concerned. I still marvel that Clemson (thanks to Head Coach Dab0-5winney) is able to recruit so well in the face of the SEC monster. Surely by now, high school recruits have witnessed nothing but SEC dominance in national title games, BCS games, and the SC-Clemson/UGA-GT rivalry games. Even those SEC commercials on CBS and ESPN are daunting, almost awe-aspiring, in their ability to signify the trappings of a tight brotherhood of schools. They surely make many recruits want to be a part of it. The TV contracts, network, and princely pay-outs will do nothing but add to the allure of the SEC.
This is not the 20th century any longer. Let's hope FSU wins the national title, Clemson and FSU continue to challenge for it, and Miami becomes "Da U" again. These three schools may be the only hope for the ACC.
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Re: Great points. The dynamics of college football are...
Dec 3, 2013, 11:26 AM
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Well said. I wonder if Virginia Tech can get its mojo back. Fertile recruiting ground, disastrous in-state rival, good HC and DC. I know Logan Thomas isn't very good, but man, they have been awful offensively.
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It depends on who they hire.
Dec 3, 2013, 11:03 AM
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They could hit another home run and if so, they would probably maintain about where they are now. Unlikely, given how so many other schools with better name value have really struggled to land top notch coaches lately, but it certainly could happen.
They could hire someone who is competent, but not a star, in which case they'd be around an 8-4 type program.
Lastly, they could strike out in their hire, and end up like Ky, but I doubt this happens, since they seem pretty committed to winning now.
My money is on option 2, which means they will likely be a competent SEC team that occasionally threatens to make the SECCG, but has a lot of 4-4 and 5-3 type conference records. UGA, UFL, Mizzou, and Tenn. will still be very tough outs going forward.
I do think that once we break the streak, it's very likely that the rivalry will never be really lopsided again.
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Your posts hit on good points. Also, look at...
Dec 3, 2013, 11:23 AM
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other SEC schools. Tennessee cannot be down for much longer as highly rated recruits are flocking to them. Let's not even mention the advantages of their large stadium, tradition, fan base, and fanfare. It is also doubtful that Florida will remain in its current trash pile. Think of their tradition and fertile recruiting grounds. Even if Muschamp fails, he will be swiftly dismissed and replaced by a proven winner (the Florida athletic department is known for its impressive hires; they won't strike out twice). The Tenn and UF programs at their best trumps the SC program at its best, so the Gamecocks' dominance may be for a limited time only.
However, in favor of the Gamecocks, Mizzou's success may be fleeting, UK and Vandy will still be UK and Vandy, UGA will probably continue to underachieve with Mark Richt, and Dab0-5winney will still be Clemson's head coach.
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Re: Spurrier and the long term success of SCar?
Dec 3, 2013, 11:03 AM
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I think Carolina has been successful to some degree because of Tennessee being down and Florida struggling some. These two programs will be back, and it will be hard for the ##### to compete for the sec east each year. I do though think that Spurrier has done a lot of the right things for the program to have some long term success. 10-2 season every year? Probably not, more like 10-2 every now and then with some 9-3 and 8-4 sprinkled in. They have been some what a sleeping giant, but I doubt that Giant grows to be a very big giant.
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I see this a lot
Dec 3, 2013, 11:08 AM
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Even we start losing to Tennessee and Florida again, why wouldn't we still be able to beat Clemson?
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LOL...You DID lose to Tennessee.
Dec 3, 2013, 11:13 AM
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Gawd. We lost to a team that got beat by Tennessee. It can't get any worse for us.
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Re: I see this a lot
Dec 3, 2013, 11:17 AM
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It will be Orange Crush time again. It is coming. Mark it down.
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The same reason you lose to Tenn and Florida
Dec 3, 2013, 11:21 AM
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you are "South Carolina"
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Re: The same reason you lose to Tenn and Florida
Dec 3, 2013, 11:40 AM
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great logic, considering they split the two games, and have beaten both teams 2 out of 3 years
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Re: The same reason you lose to Tenn and Florida
Dec 3, 2013, 2:37 PM
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Obviously you didn't read the context.
Are you trying to make a point? Or just plain stupid?
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Re: Spurrier and the long term success of SCar?
Dec 3, 2013, 11:16 AM
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Spurrier and SC have been very fortunate while he has been there. He is a good coach that had to change the way he coached while at Florida. He has had 2 great players from this state with talent that will not be seen there again. He road Lattimore into the ground same as he did with Davis this year. Take a look at the depth chart and tell me what they have coming back. Let's see how good a coach he is with his prototypical pocket passer throwing to average those receivers.
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Re: Spurrier and the long term success of SCar?
Dec 3, 2013, 11:18 AM
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Ellington and Roland look better than average for WR's.
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the problem is this: SOS has made SUC job attractive!
Dec 3, 2013, 11:37 AM
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The coots have tasted the sweet wine of success, albeit no titles or BCS wins. But as much as it pains me to say, they are a contender in the best football conference in America. As we know at CU, once you gain a relevant status- mediocre is unacceptable.....well maybe not! I am concerned that with their SEC money, geographic location, rabid fanbase, conference affiliation, and recent success- that they will be a force to be reckoned with-even post Slurrier. Hope i'm wrong- we will see. On a positive note- they have raised the bar here in the upstate...we will lead, follow, or get out the way...and i'm pretty sure we want to lead.
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Re: Spurrier and the long term success of SCar?
Dec 3, 2013, 11:53 AM
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I thought Carolina receivers looked as good or better than clemsons. That's clearly not the case but...The shaq kid is going to be good, let's not kid ourselves. Davis backup wilds looked good when healthy.
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Re: Spurrier and the long term success of SCar?
Dec 3, 2013, 12:36 PM
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" SC's average receivers" thats all that needs to be said about this post.
Absolutely embarrassing post.
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Re: Spurrier and the long term success of SCar?
Dec 3, 2013, 12:49 PM
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> Spurrier and SC have been very fortunate while he has
> been there. He is a good coach that had to change the
> way he coached while at Florida. He has had 2 great
> players from this state with talent that will not be
> seen there again. He road Lattimore into the ground
> same as he did with Davis this year. Take a look at
> the depth chart and tell me what they have coming
> back. Let's see how good a coach he is with his
> prototypical pocket passer throwing to average those
> receivers.
Let me help with the Depth chart question
4 out of 5 starting oline
3 top rbs
9 top wr
Both tight ends
A sr QB that won at Death Valley
4 out of 6 DTs
3 of 5 DEs
All 6 LBs
6 out of 8 DBS
Cupboard ain't bare brother.
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Re: Spurrier and the long term success of SCar?
Dec 3, 2013, 11:30 AM
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won't even address the SEC thing as anyone who knows even a little about college football realizes that conference is THE conference.
What has changed now is that it is obvious after 3 straight years of finishing in the top 10, that SC can win at the highest levels of the game. Football people now realize that. So when HBC retires there will be no shortage of candidates of the highest order who are interested in coaching one of the better programs in the nations top conference.
The entire nature of the game has permanently changed at SC much to Clem5on fans chagrin.
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Re: Spurrier and the long term success of SCar?
Dec 3, 2013, 12:04 PM
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SEC least not being any better than the acc. This comment just makes us look foolish. The SEC least, as you call it has two top 10 teams right now and the ACC as a whole has one. Being a homer is one thing , looking stupid is another. The gamecocks are having their best run in history. They have the beat our butts five straight times. We used to say that they are satisfied with winning six or seven games and don't really care about firing their coach as long as they can go to a sorry bowl. We would hold our heads up high and say we would fire our coach if he could not beat our rival. We sound a lot like gamecocks used to sound six or seven years ago. That is sad. The only reason we are going to a BCS bowl is because the ACC is not good. The rest of the country knows it. The The gamecocks know it, we know it. We basically had a three-game Sason and lost two out of three. Dabo is politicking for a BCS bowl we should be politicking for a new coach and stop making ourselves look stupid. Just my opinion!
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So how
Dec 3, 2013, 12:18 PM
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Do we have average receivers? They are dependable, consistent and very much so dangerous. Not to mention every single one in the two deep has had big games this year.
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Clemson played 3 top 20 teams. Bama played 2 top 20 teams***
Dec 3, 2013, 12:50 PM
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Coots played 4 top 25 teams, what is your point?***
Dec 3, 2013, 3:01 PM
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Re: Coots played 4 top 25 teams, what is your point?***
Dec 3, 2013, 3:39 PM
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Last i checked Clemson is no longer a top 10 team i believe they are 13 now. FSU is 1. So that leaves 1 team from the ACC in the top 10 where the SEC has..... wait for it.....4. Thats right 4 teams and 2 of those teams were not even ranked at the beginning of the year.
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