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All-TigerNet [12529]
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Someone earlier called the smokestacks an eyesore:
Aug 6, 2013, 8:55 PM
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A Clemson fan posted this after seeing Herbstreit's twitter photo live from Death Valley.
I agree 100% with the post. I have always thought that it is a shame that a campus as beautiful as ours has those stacks in what is probably THE most photographed spot on campus. Not only the smokestacks, but the terribly ugly p-plant buildings. The vegetation is starting to hide the p-plant building a little.
The problem is Clemson's campus has rated among the most beautiful by several publications and I have seen it complimented by visiting fans on their boards. However, we have the p-plant and smokestacks in the absolute most photographed point on campus. I really wish that plant could be moved and the stacks taken down. Don't say they can't. I remember when the water sewer treatment facility was located where the dormitory that overlooks the stadium now sits.
I just think how beautiful that shot of the open end of the stadium would look if we had nice campus buildings overlooking that hill. Perhaps dorms, or even a fountain. Just think of the shot of the library from the gardens, or the shot of the high rise dorms when walking from Sirine Hall to the library.
If it is impossible to move the p-plant to a less visible area, then at least design something to hide it. And really do we have to have smokestacks in this day and age on a college campus?
Again Clemson's campus is ranked very high in beauty, but that junk is just in the worst possible place.
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By the way, ESPN and Herby on complimented Clemson
Aug 6, 2013, 8:56 PM
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and showed very nice shots on the show. They did not mention the stacks and p-plant.
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Move the power plant? How about just clean it up a bit
Aug 6, 2013, 8:59 PM
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And add some plants.
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If that's all they can do, then at least do what you
Aug 6, 2013, 9:01 PM
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suggest. They don't even try to do that. It is possible to move things of that size and nature. It is done all the time. It just takes money and desire. But it is not an impossible thing to push for.
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CU Medallion [51520]
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That's not what Clemson needs to spend money on.
Aug 6, 2013, 9:03 PM
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They need to rebuild the union/Johnstone first.
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Its already in the long term plan
Aug 6, 2013, 9:02 PM
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Probably won't happen anytime soon though.
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Well at least it is good news that they see that it needs
Aug 6, 2013, 9:09 PM
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to be done. I didn't know that they even had plans. I wish people would help them understand that millions of people from coast to coast see that view all the time. Maybe they could push the date up.
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Well it costs money
Aug 6, 2013, 9:15 PM
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And that project certainly doesnt rank above the Douthit Hills project, Replacing the union, nor the construction behind the library.
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Orange Blooded [3913]
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When people from coast to coast are seeing that view
Aug 6, 2013, 9:15 PM
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I doubt any of them are paying attention to the p-plant, they are looking at an amazing stadium. And even if they do notice, they probably don't care that much.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Thank you!!!!!! I was worried about some fan in Seattle
Aug 6, 2013, 9:19 PM
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asking about the smokestacks!!
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You don't care what viewers from across America think of
Aug 6, 2013, 9:24 PM
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our campus. Then why do anything? Why not just put the city dump outside the stadium?
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Man you are really freaking out about these things huh?
Aug 6, 2013, 9:28 PM
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lol...
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No, but it needs to be on the agenda.***
Aug 6, 2013, 9:33 PM
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Re: No, but it needs to be on the agenda.***
Aug 6, 2013, 9:36 PM
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Pretty sure it's been covered that it is on the agenda. Yet you're still campaigning like no tomorrow. But get after it guy...whatever blows your hair back. 
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Orange Blooded [3913]
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Look, that isn't what any of us are saying. At least I am
Aug 6, 2013, 9:30 PM
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saying that in the maybe 10-15 second shot of Clemson from that angle that might go national in, say four televised games nationally, the national damage to peoples' perception of Clemson University isn't going to amount to much.
If anything, people may wonder what the smokestacks are or if they symbolize anything to the stadium or some other Clemson tradition, but I bet on a TV in that brief time, or a picture on Herbstreit's Twitter, which is about a 2-inch tall pic on my phone, people just think it's some kind of blob or something else. You have to really, really study a pic to figure that out.
It stands out to you and me because we know it's ugly AND we know what it is.
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Re: Look, that isn't what any of us are saying. At least I am
Aug 6, 2013, 9:33 PM
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I was thinking exactly this...it's like when you have a new phone or car or something. The first scratch, you notice it, and see it every time you look at it. But everyone else is just like, nice car...
Pretty sure this isn't a big deal. And FWIW, I've always liked the stacks in the backdrop. I'm not attached to them, but actually always thought they looked nice. It's not like they're pumping black smoke into the air or anything...
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Orange Blooded [3913]
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Exactly.***
Aug 6, 2013, 9:34 PM
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People notice the backdrop of places. And when that is the
Aug 6, 2013, 9:22 PM
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only view outside the stadium, it is not good. The other side of that view is great with the dorm and hill road leading up to campus. And how can you miss two huge smokestacks and a big white physical plant that looks like it is falling apart. Usually the p-plant just gets kind of vaguely ugly, but one game they showed a real close look at that hill and the plant actually looked like it had tin siding leaning up against each other. It was horrible.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Horrors, thankfully I missed that close up. Hopefully most
Aug 6, 2013, 11:44 PM
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of the nation has forgotten. As least we can hope.
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Only 3 reason they should go
Aug 6, 2013, 9:03 PM
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Location location location. That facility is in an amazingly central location on campus. A million things would be there including a parking garage or update to Fike.
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absolutely many things would be possibilities to go there,
Aug 6, 2013, 9:14 PM
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but make it something visually pleasing to the eye and camera. Just about anything with an ounce of design and landscaping to it would look better than a physical plant with old run down white mill-house looking building with smokestacks. We have a beautiful campus, even out opponents agree, but the television eye from the stadium looks right on a part that looks like a lumber mill that was built in the 1930's and hasn't even been given a paint job. Granted, the relatively new dorm looks great, and the hill that leads past the shoeboxes looks great, but that corner where the p-plant and stacks are look terrible.
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I think the smoke stacks are iconic
Aug 6, 2013, 9:24 PM
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Whatever they build.. i hope they stay...
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Why make something like a smokestack iconic? I mean
Aug 6, 2013, 9:26 PM
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there's nothing nice looking or meaningful about a smokestack. A lot of people wanted to make Johnstone iconic. When I look at old pictures that have that full dorm in it, I can't imagine how anything that ugly could be allowed to dominate the campus for so long.
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I'll tell you how ....
Aug 7, 2013, 10:44 AM
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MONEY !!!!
The coal-burning Physical Plant and its boilers, electrical equipment, fire suppression, datacom, etc. still provide services to a significant portion of the campus.
A completely new facility would need to be built before the old one could be taken off-line and demolished.
With respect to Johnstone, which was erected in 1954, believe it or not, the design which implemented a new raise-slab construction method that was featured in many architectural magazines at that time became a model for college dormitories across the country.
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I actually like them. They have been part of the campus for
Aug 6, 2013, 9:08 PM
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a long time and I would hate to see them go. Of course I was also sad when they tore down Johnstone. But I don't think the smoke stacks are bad at all
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I understand your feeling, but there is a line between
Aug 6, 2013, 9:18 PM
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saving something just because it has always been there and saving something that is actually historic, beautiful and meaningful.
I ahve been going to Clemson games since I was eight years old in 1971. I thought Clemson was perfect at that time. Since then, there have been many changes, some I supported and some I was unsure about. In the end, all of the changes improved the campus.
Think about the old water treatment plant and concrete circles that were where the dorm is now above the stadium. Aren't you glad they dismantled that and changed that corner?
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If possible, move the plant & keep the stacks. They're cool.
Aug 6, 2013, 9:11 PM
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Smokestacks ? We will need those to cremate the Dawg carcasses.
Aug 6, 2013, 9:16 PM
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Hey do you know how many bricks it took to finish those
Aug 6, 2013, 9:17 PM
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smokestacks?
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They just took a famous smokestack down here in Atlanta and
Aug 6, 2013, 9:32 PM
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they did it in a surprising manner. They didn't implode it, or knock it over. They took it down brick by brick. I kept waiting and wondering when they were going to take it down because it had been in the news that they were. One day I noticed that it was slowly getting shorter and shorter. And I noticed that there wa a platform around it and they were taking it down little by little. This stat was probably four time wider and three time taller than the Clemson stacks.
Some people tried to make like it was historic and should stay, but 95% of people were glad to see it go. It was, like all smokestacks, ugly. But to get back to your point, I am sure it would surprise people how many bricks go into those stacks.
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Actually 2 (for two smokestacks)...but I'll give it to ya :)***
Aug 6, 2013, 10:03 PM
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Re: Someone earlier called the smokestacks an eyesore:
Aug 6, 2013, 9:17 PM
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i always thought we should paint them orange and white and have Clemson down 1 and Tigers down the other
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They smelled like burning trash
Aug 6, 2013, 9:34 PM
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The night of the SC game last year. I was in the top corner surrounded by coots who were making fun of the school for everything, but that point was actually valid.
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Oculus Spirit [96772]
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If they attend games regularly at Billy Brice it looks like
Aug 6, 2013, 10:08 PM
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they would enjoy the smell of burning trash. Or do the bums around the stadium use Coleman lanterns now?
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only way they ever come down is natural disaster
Aug 6, 2013, 9:36 PM
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while I don't think they are registered as an historical landmark (yet), they are considered protected and won't be taken down by the school administration.
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If true, that is very sad***
Aug 6, 2013, 9:40 PM
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not for the vast majority of people
Aug 6, 2013, 9:46 PM
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I believe you would find yourself on the short end of a popularity vote here. Most folks on campus think they are a unique and iconic part of campus, and would never stand to have them taken down.
They could perhaps "beautify" them under some restoration project in the future, but that's all they would ever do to them.
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I'm going to just pray that you are dead wrong, but it
Aug 6, 2013, 9:51 PM
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would not surprise me a bit if you were exactly right. I just don't understand that point of view. (no pun intended)
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I don't think they are
Aug 6, 2013, 9:47 PM
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operational anymore. I think the P-Plant uses natural gas now not coal. They could apply for a federal grant and convert the P-Plant to some other fuel and be able to remove them.
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Re: I don't think they are
Aug 6, 2013, 9:52 PM
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Interesting. I thought the same and when I read the post above said they smelled like burning trash I thought they had been decommissioned.
Not to mention, in all my years and time spent in Clemson and at games, and LIVING next to them in New West, never once did I smell anything foul from those things.
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Re: I don't think they are
Aug 6, 2013, 10:13 PM
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When they were burning coal the discharge was breaking down the concrete in DV. They switched to natural gas several years back...
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I think at one time...
Aug 6, 2013, 9:52 PM
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there was some discussion of moving the power plant to the area of campus near the landscape operations area. Then again, that's right on Perimeter Rd near the Madren Center, so I don't know that that would work. Moving all those utility lines would be frightfully expensive, and I think Clemson has more important needs right now. Maybe somewhere down the road when a bunch of other things are done, that can be considered, but it's WAY down the list.
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Re: I think at one time...
Aug 6, 2013, 10:03 PM
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I would like to see a nice modern parking garage in that area and we certainly need one but Clemson needs a lot of things that are more important.
When you speak of improvements ... think about giving more money to OUR university. We have one of the lowest percentages in the ACC when it comes to alumni giving. That is a sad fact. I bet the Columbia folks beat us also.
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I give to the Alumni Fund and IPTAY.***
Aug 6, 2013, 10:20 PM
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Re: I think at one time...
Aug 6, 2013, 10:19 PM
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They are producing steam and chilled water not electricity. The boilers run on natural gas not electric unless they got another grant and have updated within the last couple of years.
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A welcome sight to me , kind of grounds me
Aug 6, 2013, 10:06 PM
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I use them as a bearing since I cannot figure out where the heck I am on campus anymore !
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you like air conditioning don't you?***
Aug 6, 2013, 10:06 PM
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Notre Dame has Touchdown Jesus... we have TOUCHDOWN SMOKESTA
Aug 6, 2013, 10:31 PM
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CK!!!!!
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personally I think the smokestacks make Clemson, Clemson.
Aug 6, 2013, 11:07 PM
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Why do we care about "perfect photos" when the smokestacks have been there all this time. They ARE part of Clemson.
Ya know, when I was watching Body of Proof earlier this year, the smokestacks were one of the things that stood out to me in the split second this shot was on the screen that made my brain go "wait....... that was Clemson..."
They are just one of those landmarks that makes you know you are looking at Clemson.
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*********** Leave the iconic smokestacks alone. *******
Aug 6, 2013, 11:32 PM
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The stacks are cool and part of a bygone era. Most older schools have stacks SCAR and NCState value their iconic stacks. I can't believe some fools would even suggest removing them.
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Re: Someone earlier called the smokestacks an eyesore:
Aug 6, 2013, 11:41 PM
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There's a pipe that runs cold water from Hartwell to the power plant below Death Valley. It's location is pretty important.
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symmetry
Aug 7, 2013, 7:58 AM
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I actually like the symmetry of the two stacks looking at the Hill from The Westzone shots "framing" Tillman.
It makes me think - Hey! It's a UNIVERSITY!
This is college football.
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Re: symmetry
Aug 7, 2013, 8:11 AM
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Couldn't have said it better myself.
I'm a current student and think they add a unique touch to the campus.
The building below the stacks could use a little TLC but the stacks themselves are a nice touch.
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The smokestacks remind me of another icon during my
Aug 7, 2013, 8:07 AM
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days at CU: The water tower on 76 heading to Seneca. We called it the "Doorknob to He!l." Why, I don't recall...unless one considers the Seneca area to resemble the nether regions. Of course, our opponents approaching Clemson from that area may reverse the description, thus, applying the dastardly moniker to dear, ole CU.
As for me, I always liked the Seneca area, so decided long ago to apply the description to any place outside of Clemson...perhaps, still applicable to many Clemson types to this day! lol
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Re: Someone earlier called the smokestacks an eyesore:
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ol' farts like me love old stuff like those smokestacks. It connects us to our time on campus. You ought to realize that old people just aren't comfy with change. 
Why do you think there are car shows with OLD CARS? JK - but you get the point - maybe.
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