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Re: TPS Blog:Conference Realignment Should Only Be About Clemson
May 13, 2012, 5:24 PM
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I agree! Clemson has to do what's best for Clemson. This decision should be one based on economics not emotion. As Always, GO TIGERS!!!
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Scott, I think what concerns us is something you alluded to:
May 13, 2012, 5:34 PM
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the amount of money SEC teams will make when Slive is finished renegotiating their TV deals and maybe adds a SEC Network. If we knew what they will be getting,that would also help in the decision-making process. In the past 2 or 3 years, SEC teams made $4.4 million annually more from TV revenue than ACC teams ($17.3 million to $12.9 million). The new ACC TV deal will bring us $17 million annually. When Slive is through renegotiating their TV deals, what do you THINK SEC teams will get annually?
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.It will be more than the ACC deal..you can almost guarantee
May 13, 2012, 5:43 PM
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that.
How much more will be the biggest piece to the puzzle...if you ask me..
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i've heard 24-30 per team. Purely speculation.***
May 13, 2012, 5:47 PM
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I think it will be closer to 30 than to 24.******
May 13, 2012, 5:48 PM
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Re: .It will be more than the ACC deal..you can almost guarantee
May 13, 2012, 5:47 PM
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Exactly. "How much more" is the fear. Right now, the SEC has the most populated conference in the nation (remember that the ACC has 3 city-schools, BC, Pitt and Syracuse).
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How are you counting population? By city, metro, or state?
May 13, 2012, 5:52 PM
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I could be mistaken but I'm pretty sure the new ACC will lead in population in any regard.
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Re: How are you counting population? By city, metro, or state?
May 13, 2012, 6:18 PM
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Metro populations for Boston, Pitt and Syracuse. I'm not counting the entire state populations of NY, Pa and Mass. Remember, we are talking about Northeastern states which are more pro-oriented. Even if I counted the entire states of NY, Pa and Massachusettes, it is very close.
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Re: How are you counting population? By city, metro, or state?
May 13, 2012, 6:21 PM
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No offense to BC, but I bet there are more fans watching the game at the stadium than people wathcing it on tv. Boston is a great sports town but its a horrible market when it comes to college football.
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Sorry but word is that we only get 12 million next year...
May 13, 2012, 6:18 PM
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because of backend loading. Or rather to say, because our contract payoff graduates over the lifetime of the contract and averages to 17 million a year. Please also consider the time value of money when you evaluate this.
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I've never understood why the SEC would allow Clemson and
May 13, 2012, 5:34 PM
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FSU to join the Big 12. If the future are 16 team conferences, then why would the SEC not go ahead and gobble up Clemson and FSU and have truly a "Mega - Football Conference."
Instead, if all this actually happens, the mighty SEC will be left with fewer options. So, I actually wonder if all this Big 12 stuff is a way of grabbing the SEC's attention. If the SEC added Clemson and FSU, then it would own football in the south east. With Clemson and FSU joining with the Big 12, more competition is created for TV, recruiting, etc...
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110%er [9889]
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Excellent point. So the next question is::::are we playing
May 13, 2012, 5:44 PM
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chicken with the SEC using the Internet to stir up rumors about us going to the Big 12?
Ahhhh...so many possibilities!,
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This internet speculation is made by the fans so I don't....
May 13, 2012, 5:57 PM
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think the SEC will be listening. If internet speculation created occurrences, Missouri and Maryland would be in the BIG 10 and Texas would be in the PAC 12.
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Agreed
May 13, 2012, 6:00 PM
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and if NCST won't come just bring in ECU and let them build themselves up.
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Absolutely. And don't kid yourself. If the SEC snapped
May 13, 2012, 6:22 PM
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their fingers and told West Virginia, they can come, the Mountaineers would crawl to Birmingham.
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Once again, you take the cake...Too bad it's not filled with
May 13, 2012, 7:29 PM
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strychnine...Your loserdom knows no depth...
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Re: Agreed
May 13, 2012, 7:56 PM
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ECU is top of my wishlist. They would become the premier football school in NC if they had SEC money and brand. May take a decade or so but it would happen. That fanbase is football crazy like no other NC school. My only problem would be having to recruit against them in the future.
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Here's a a novel concept...Why don't you 4 take your
May 13, 2012, 8:00 PM
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discussion to a SCU board?
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It's akin to when the $EC added $CU....
May 14, 2012, 9:34 AM
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The league would be looking for another perennial doormat in a new market for teams like Alabama and LSU to kick-around. NC State would fit that bill nicely.
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Re: I've never understood why the SEC would allow Clemson an
May 13, 2012, 7:58 PM
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SEC already owns the southeast. At this point they seem to want a school in VA and NC. If yall jump to big 12 it may indirectly help SEC get what they want.
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And here I was...under the impression that if the SEC wanted
May 13, 2012, 8:02 PM
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anything it only had to snap its fingers...
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Re: And here I was...under the impression that if the SEC wa
May 13, 2012, 9:06 PM
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Lots of politics in nc and va.
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The #1 question is inwhich conference is
May 13, 2012, 5:45 PM
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our path easier to get to the BCS in? If you're going to the BCS often then you're relevant if not the you're not
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Hanging your hat (one way or another) on the BCS is silly
May 13, 2012, 6:00 PM
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who knows how long it will be around...maybe a few years maybe forever.
The best option for a school is to find a place where you can make equitable money as your rivals.
The BCS and the MNC or possible playoff is secondary to the money.
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Re: Hanging your hat (one way or another) on the BCS is silly
May 13, 2012, 6:05 PM
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Exactly...right now Clemson is competing well aginst FSU, UGA, South Carolina, UF, etc. but eventually Clemson would be left behind finaically in a few years. The more money you make the more you can improve.
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That isnt the point, the point is
May 13, 2012, 6:05 PM
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winning your conference and being in the convo every year. What path has least resistance? If you're winning your conference you're relevant if you're 8-4 or 7-5 you're not relevant. For those who Hate the UNC bias, you haven't seen anything till you see the Texas bias
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Re: That isnt the point, the point is
May 13, 2012, 6:12 PM
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I can beat up everyone in my son's 3rd grade class. I'm the champion. Thats about the same as winning the ACC.
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They say the same about Boise,yet how many BCS games
May 13, 2012, 6:16 PM
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have they been too. Who cares what anyone thinks, they can laugh while we're in the convo, while they or maybe you enjoy 11-2 and playing in a bowl that means what?
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Re: That isnt the point, the point is
May 13, 2012, 6:13 PM
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I see what you are saying and I don't completely disagree but wouldn't you want Clemson play better teams. IMO, I believe a weak conference can weaken a team. Look at the ACC in the past 15 years or so. I think when you are in a conference that offers more challenges, it will prepare your team to play at a higher level.
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Yeah it has killed Boise and TCU
May 13, 2012, 6:21 PM
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They can have the we play in tough conference and I'll take BCS or playoff
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Some note worthy information;
May 13, 2012, 6:27 PM
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"...Big XII has an option to offer an adjusted payout based on annual travel miles. So, there are opportunities to make FSU, Clemson and others wholes in that respect."
Obviously, we're talking hypothetical's here, but there is a very real possibility that by switching to the Big XII, a team like FSU, VA Tech, or Clemson would be able to make:
$20M - $25M/yr on Tier 1 & 2
$3M - $10M/yr on true Tier 3 (not including radio, etc)
$1.5M - $2.5M on a CCG
$3M - $8M every other year from an additional home game
When the dust settles on the Big XII's contracts, most of the teams will be making $25M - $35M annually on true Tier 1 ? 3 payouts. And, that doesn't include escalations from a CCG or the bump in payout that would
result from procuring 2 or 3 high-level teams through expansion.
For the ACC to keep up, they're going to have to double their current contract, b/c otherwise, it will be very easy to offer FSU, VA Tech, or Clemson a $10M+ increase in annual TV take home.
Obviously we are talking economics though I believe with Clemson's fundraising abilities we might be able to survive five to seven years where we are.
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Not sure where your #'s are from, but
May 13, 2012, 7:55 PM
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if the reality is anywhere near that then the decision is easy.
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Scott, would it be a surprise for FSU to leave for the B12
May 13, 2012, 8:06 PM
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and Clemson to decide to stay in the ACC? Or do you think we do the same, leave or stay together?
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Further support.
May 14, 2012, 4:59 AM
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"Due to the different geographical hurdles of each conference, some conferences help their member schools out more than others. The ACC gives each school a travel allowance and will help additionally in special circumstances such as BCS bowl games. The BigXII allows each team to bill the conference for all of its conference-related travel expenses for every sponsored sport. Once each team has been reimbursed appropriately, the remaining conference earnings are split evenly amongst the member institutions."
http://www.cemetery-hill.com/
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Re: Some note worthy information;
May 13, 2012, 8:36 PM
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"For the ACC to keep up, they're going to have to double their current contract, b/c otherwise, it will be very easy to offer FSU, VA Tech, or Clemson a $10M+ increase in annual TV take home." Obviously we are talking economics though I believe with Clemson's fundraising abilities we might be able to survive five to seven years where we are."
Unfortunately 1988, schools like SCU and UGAly raise a lot more $ through their fundraising than we do. According to this http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/ncaa-finances.htm SCU raised $24M, UGAly raised $27M, and we raised $15M in 2010. The differences in our revenues in comparison to those schhols are staggering.
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Good write, Scott and while I'd hate to move to the Big 12
May 14, 2012, 9:08 AM
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, we have to look at the option if the numbers floating around are true.
When we do investigate fully, and find we have no choice, I hope our BOT/President/AD reach out to their counterparts in Columbia, and even the Governor to try and convince USC our being in the SEC is good for them also.
If we become intent on moving, I hope we do everything possible to move to the SEC. I'm just a lil' wary of how the Big 12 could negatively hurts our recruiting. It seems like a crap shoot with no contact with most H.S. coaches etc. in that region.
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This seems to be a much softer stance from you. Usually,
May 14, 2012, 9:21 AM
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you only post "it's not happening", "You're stupid to believe Clemson would ever leave the ACC", and other such posts. Why the change?
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Money is money, and if in the end the BOT believe it's
May 14, 2012, 9:38 AM
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best for Clemson, I'll get on the bus.
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So, I got on stubhub and ordered tickets to helll...
May 14, 2012, 11:47 AM
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I hear the train seats have white Tiger Paws on Orange leather. You need a couple or are you really softening?
Actually Joe, I think you are starting to become circumspect in about this. I'm not sure which way to go but I fear being reactive instead of proactive might leave us wanting.
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