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So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 4:32 PM
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So what if it really isn't a weak conference but is just perceived as one?
What difference does it make?
Do Clemson's 3 trophies in their trophy case come with an asterisk (But they played in a weak conference)?
Are the trophies smaller?
I have said every since the BCS (with only two teams invited) the rules are simple.
1. Win 'em all and you're in.
2. Lose one and you need some help.
It was true when there were two teams invited. It was true when there were 4 teams invited. (It will be true when there are 12 teams invited except it will say:
2. Lose one and you're almost certain to be in.
3. Lose two and you need some help.
But, worrying about the strength of the ACC is even more irrelevant now. Within a couple of years Clemson won't even be in the ACC, and the ACC will either cease to exist or will become as irrelevant as the American Conference will be in a couple of years.
The ACC may or may not stink. So what?
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 4:33 PM
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Please don’t get blown out by LSU tomorrow night and add to the embarrassment.
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 4:38 PM
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I hope we don't. But, if we do it won't affect Clemson at all.
When FSU was on its 14 year run of Top 5 finishes (including 2 national championships) I never once thought, "Yeah, but the ACC is weak."
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Because ACC really does stand for anti-Clemson conference***
Sep 3, 2022, 4:41 PM
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Re: but everyone else did***
Sep 3, 2022, 5:57 PM
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Honestly, no they didn't. I was at Clemson from 91-96 and that was during FSU's run of awesomeness. Before that I was just a casual college football fan. FSU was a powerhouse who beat up on everyone . The SEC was viewed as a 2cnd Tier football conference back then and the Big TEN was considered the standard bearer (living off it's past glory).
Nobody, and I mean nobody I knew ever claimed FSU wasn't and elite powerhouse because of the conference they played in. Honestly, it's something South Carolina fans say all the time because it's all they can say, but it's just as irrelevant now as it was during FSUs run. Just ask 'Bama. As a whole, internet Clemson fans are ridiculously insecure and HYPERSENSITIVE about it. Only loser fan-boys gauge their worth as a football fan, or their football program's based on conference affiliation.
If you don't believe just ask a South Carolina fan about the SEC.
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Alabama, Florida and Tennessee won National
Sep 7, 2022, 7:13 AM
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Championships in the 90's, hardly second tier. I remember the 90's as well and FSU strength was absolutely questioned because nobody in the ACC could come close to beating them. FSU joined the ACC because it was easier to win than the SEC and everybody ragged on them for that. You may be too young to remember Oklahoma and Nebraska running up the scores on the BIG 8 conference. Both of those schools were also questioned about their real strength.
Its one thing to cling to "conference" when you suck like the ccoots. Its totally different when you win 6 conference titles in a row and make an honest assessment of the teams you play, FSU and Miami look better this year. Time will tell.
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There was once a Time....
Sep 3, 2022, 4:41 PM
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When people used to say that because ACC teams play in a weak conference, they will be soft in the post season and get destroyed when the play "tough" teams.
Well that didn't work out so well so they changed the narrative to "because you play in a weak conference your team isn't as beat up and more fresh"
Either way they've got the excuses covered to just win.
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Re: There was once a Time....
Sep 3, 2022, 4:43 PM
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When people used to say that because ACC teams play in a weak conference, they will be soft in the post season and get destroyed when the play "tough" teams.
Well that didn't work out so well so they changed the narrative to "because you play in a weak conference your team isn't as beat up and more fresh"
Either way they've got the excuses covered to just win.
I know right...
This came to fruition when we waxed "the greatest team ever assembled" in Santa Clara...
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 4:43 PM
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The problem is the TV money. You have to stay relevant with facilities, all the digital gimmicks, stadium overhauls, etc. You have to have the money to spend. If it ain't from contracts, it has to come from donors. Clemson has very giving donors, but we aren't the top of the heap with alumni donations.
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 5:06 PM
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^^^ This IS correct on why it matters. It also helps in recruiting. It's true Dabo has his own message that resonates and spot on but both can be true as well. Same reason acc teams use in basketball recruiting. That's why it matters Bret.
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 8:45 PM
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The problem is the TV money. You have to stay relevant with facilities, all the digital gimmicks, stadium overhauls, etc. You have to have the money to spend. If it ain't from contracts, it has to come from donors. Clemson has very giving donors, but we aren't the top of the heap with alumni donations.
Not trying to be difficult; but asking a legit question. I what you elude to is correct; it would have happened already. In fact, the Big 10 earns more money in payouts than does "ye ole mighty SEC"! So, why have they only had 1 school compete for a NC since 2000? Ohio State has done it a few times winning in 02, 14 and playing for it in 20. But, nobody else!
The money being given to players is what matters more with NIL and schools aren't the ones shelling out the money. Boosters are. Who has a wealthier alumni base - BIG 10 schools followed by Texas schools. Well, in terms of who have wealthy alumni plus "care about football enough to support it".
The money disparity in short has been in place for decades. FSU, Miami, Clemson should not have been able to compete if that's what it comes down to.
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 9:27 PM
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Nil money will have to sort itself out over the next few years, but very few prospects are making "bank". What happens with the Aggies and Texas over the next couple seasons will have major ramifications. If the Aggies crash and burn, nil will be close to irrelevant. Who knows, but not sure how that affect the overall field. Btw, Michigan made the playoffs last year. Michigan state was in it a few years ago.
Tv is tied directly to how schools make their athletic decisions. Without it, you limit where and how much you can spend. Football is an "arms race" of facilities, the digital component and viewership. If the conference is winning, as a whole, youre going to get more who want to watch, and bigger contracts. The big problem is that the ACC is more of a basketball conf, so more schools throw their money there. How the money gets spent is a balance. Regardless, nobody wants to watch a bunch of.teams that get slaughtered by the other conf, or friggin ncsu who almost chokes on ECU. Bc gives the game away to friggin temple. Vt choking to ???who????. If the ACC is winning, people want to watch, which means viewership, which means more payout ( as long as your friggin commissioner has a friggin brain and can negotiate a friggin contract)
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 10:07 PM
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Me no figgy much
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Some of you are really short sighted....
Sep 3, 2022, 4:46 PM
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There is a reason this league is on track make about 50 mil a year per school less than the sec and big, other than swoffie being completely incompetent. Eventually that kind of financial disparity WILL absolutely matter. And if you think it wont, well i can't help you.
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 4:46 PM
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After a down season. I doubt Clemson can overcome a loss to make the CFP. A weak ACC would leave Clemson with no margin for error.
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It's a 12-13 game pre-season and then the playoff season
Sep 3, 2022, 4:55 PM
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The only value in ripping the ACC schedule goes to recruiting behemoths UGA and Bama in convincing some of their recruits that "the SEC is a tougher man's man conference". It might be the message some of these OL & RB recruits want to hear. But Dabo has his own message. Play football, win championships, get your degree, and be the best man you can be. A Clemson Man needs no introduction!
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 5:36 PM
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Brett, I respect you more than most on here but your missing the point.
1. The ACC is a bad football conference.
2. Which negatively effects TV revenue.
3. Which negatively effects recruiting.
4. Which negatively effects rankings that will result in a higher ranked SEC/BIG team getting into the playoffs over an ACC team with a similar record.
A bad ACC Conference is bad for Clemson.
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 6:16 PM
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Eventually you will be right about revenue. But, by that time Clemson won't be in the ACC anyway.
As for a bad conference impacting recruiting, it sure didn't affect FSU when Bobby was there. It sure isn't affecting Clemson with Dabo here.
And, it hasn't affected Clemson being selected for the playoffs. In the playoffs six years in a row. How many of those teams went undefeated?
And, if the ACC is as weak as is reported, it makes going 13-0 a lot easier.
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 9:42 PM
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I wonder if FSUs ultimate downfall, along with Miami and VT, have any correlation to entering the ACC?
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Because the ACC is getting weaker and teams are flocking to big money conferences
Sep 3, 2022, 6:24 PM
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There are gonna be more and more top recruits that won’t consider anything but SEC/B1G.
We’ll have a tougher road in the SEC, but we’ll keep getting the talent we’re used to and more.
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Top to bottom, the ACC is not as strong as the SEC and Big 10
Sep 3, 2022, 8:26 PM
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But other than that, it's all about the same.
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Re: Top to bottom, the ACC is not as strong as the SEC and Big 10
Sep 3, 2022, 8:49 PM
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But other than that, it's all about the same.
Biggest difference - when Pitt beat Tennessee nobody was claiming the SEC was weak because they lost to a ACC school.
When Arkansas and Ole Miss can lose to San Jose St. and Jacksonville St respectively but nobody bashes the conference for being weak! To me; that tells the story! One conference gets called out about its losses OOC the other one doesn't. Remember Georgia Southern going to the swamp and winning? Nobody dogged the Big 10 when Duke - Duke I said, beat the Big 10 west champion Northwestern "IN CHICAGO"!
It's all perception and anything that supports "the ACC is weak gets piled on"! The SEC and Big 10 meanwhile "get a pass" on embarrassing performances!
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Re: Top to bottom, the ACC is not as strong as the SEC and Big 10
Sep 4, 2022, 12:19 AM
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Who the ACC lawt year? Who won the SEC? They didnt play.
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Re: Top to bottom, the ACC is not as strong as the SEC and Big 10
Sep 3, 2022, 9:44 PM
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Re: Top to bottom, the ACC is not as strong as the SEC and Big 10
Sep 3, 2022, 10:03 PM
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 3, 2022, 11:39 PM
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$50M a year says it'll eventually matter.
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You’re correct. Conference (strength) debate is irrelevant.
Sep 4, 2022, 2:58 AM
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And hopefully you’re also right about Fst and Clemson being in a new conference in a few years!
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It is relevant to ESPiN so it can sell a product called SEC.
Sep 4, 2022, 12:28 PM
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IMO, the SEC is the most competitive conference. That is so due to ESPiN's SPiN during the BCS years. They voted as a block for SEC teams to redefine a 'win,' to a 'good win,' and a 'loss,' to a 'good loss.'
They blew so much smoke up the public's shorts that our butts got stained. An entire generation of our children began to believe it and assumed the SEC was the best way to a pro career. Players wanted to play for SEC teams. Both the conference and the prospects would tolerate any or no education at all.
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I have no love for the ACC nor hate for it.
Sep 4, 2022, 12:18 PM
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Stress about where Clemson finds itself in the future is strictly limited to the University and sports programs and whether they remain faithful to our heritage. My hope is that our University continues to provide the best possible education at the best price and not become a babysitting service for anyone who can get government loans and that our sport programs will continue to seek those quality young men who want to take advantage of the educational offerings from a find University like Clemson.
I'd also like fans to lift themselves up by respecting Clemson for its educational services rather than only the wins by the sports teams.
My preference would be that Clemson be independent of any conference but I understand why we won't.
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Re: So what if the ACC is a weak conference?
Sep 4, 2022, 12:42 PM
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All good points. If you go undefeated you can get to the CFP no matter what, including no matter how cr@ppy the ACC is.
But at some point, a bad ACC catches up to you.
Maybe it's a moot point with momentum building for some type of massive re-organization, but that is not here yet.
But good gosh - VT loses to ODU; BC loses to Rutgers; State and UNC could/should have lost.
Only bright spot was Pitt beating WV.
It is a long season though...maybe ECU and App state will end up being world beaters 
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