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Quick question for T3
Apr 13, 2021, 11:44 AM
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Just saying
Apr 13, 2021, 11:47 AM
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Rock Defender [53]
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Yes, ironically I just posted about this
Apr 13, 2021, 11:49 AM
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Who would have guess the bludgeon an officer
Apr 13, 2021, 12:06 PM
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to death with a fire extinguisher during an attempted insurrection crowd would be back on their don't be a thug soapbox when it comes to complying with law enforcement.
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CU Medallion [56005]
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I love when the "don't tread on me" crowd says
Apr 13, 2021, 12:10 PM
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anyone who doesn't comply with armed agents of the government deserve to die.
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I love when the gun control crowd gets upset because someone
Apr 13, 2021, 3:11 PM
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gets killed by police over a warrant for an unlicensed pistol.
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I love that
Apr 13, 2021, 2:15 PM
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Fox News does stories on corrections reported by the New York Times.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: I love that
Apr 13, 2021, 2:19 PM
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LOL!***
Apr 13, 2021, 2:27 PM
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You're still sore about not being at the insurrection?***
Apr 13, 2021, 12:34 PM
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This was patterned after the sovereign citizen videos.
Apr 13, 2021, 12:28 PM
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Sovcits bait cops into stopping them, then start in with the "am I being detained", "what crime have I committed", "I do not have to exit my vehicle", every question is answered with a questions, etc and etc. In those videos - and there are hundreds - the cops treat white people and black people exactly the same in those traffic stops, and there are as many white sovcits as black ones doing this. I am not saying that the person in this video was a sovcit, but the pattern of behavior was clearly copied from those videos.
None of those people ever win in court, because whether we like the law on these matters or not, the law seems to be clear. If a person is operating a vehicle, he/she can be asked to show identity, exit the vehicle, etc. A person choosing to use public roads is not the same as a person sitting in his/her home.
Two white cops treating a black person this way, in this polarized time, looks bad. But I can link anyone to dozens of videos of white and black cops treating white drivers exactly the same way. If you are pulled over for an infraction, and you start disobeying lawful orders, the cops get insistent in a hurry.
This stop was not about white/black. I can show that to be the case. If we want to allow drivers greater leeway in behavior, that is a question we need to decide separately.
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If he would have pulled out the sovcit lines I would be
Apr 13, 2021, 12:31 PM
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ok with the cops shooting him
Those people should not breed
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I don't think there is any question he had watched those
Apr 13, 2021, 12:42 PM
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videos and patterened his responses along those lines. Refusing to exit the car was a big no-no.
To be fair, the only video I have seen starts at the point that he is stopped and is refusing to communicate or exit the car. Whether it should have gotten to that point, I don't know. But the general rule is that when you are on public roads you are agreeing to a number of police requests that do not apply when you are at home or walking down the street.
If what you just said is true about cops handling sovcit stops, you also know your meme isn't honest.
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There's a lot going on here.
Apr 13, 2021, 1:53 PM
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I'm not sure the correlation between this guy and sovereign citizens is anything other than coincidence considering they're very obvious questions to ask. I still don't understand what initiated the incident or why the cop absolutely refused to communicate what was going on. Separately, there's the issue of exactly what the police are allowed to do in terms of stopping someone and checking their paperwork. The difference between mild inconvenience and harassment isn't that far, and it's becoming more and more clear that the police don't always use great judges. Unlike what our parents taught us growing up, you should absolutely be worried even if you've done nothing wrong.
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Re: Just saying
Apr 13, 2021, 1:01 PM
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Wrong ... but I don't have a pulpit or a platform! I'm a staunch Republican, and the cop that pepper-sprayed this patriot should not only have been fired, but should be prosecuted for assault. I was outraged when I saw this!
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Re: Quick question for T3
Apr 13, 2021, 11:57 AM
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They are both examples of non-compliance. In the first case, it's non-compliance with a generally accepted show of respect that will cost you some money. The second type of non-compliance is the variety that will get you pepper sprayed, hand-cuffed, and a mug shot.
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Would you comply with an
Apr 13, 2021, 12:01 PM
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officer if he asked you to suck his weiner?
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Re: Would you comply with an
Apr 13, 2021, 12:13 PM
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If he asked me to show an ID, get in to the car, get out of the car, stand here, or sit there, I would comply. The reason I would comply is because I am smart enough to know that just refusing doesn't make the issue go away. It escalates it. Saying "no," assures the thing you don't want to happen, escalation, is going to happen.
Spend some time thinking on it and you will realize how the examples of compliance I give differ from your "weiner sucking" example.
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So telling an officer no should end in death?***
Apr 13, 2021, 12:14 PM
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Re: So telling an officer no should end in death?***
Apr 13, 2021, 12:20 PM
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Are we really going down this rabbit hole of gross stupidity?
Produce the most recent video of a police officer or officers, guns or tasers drawn, demanding a motorist or pedestrian suck his or their weiners. This will make it easier, forget most recent - produce one such video.
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I'm talking about in general
Apr 13, 2021, 12:22 PM
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it seems the crowd who runs to the "he was a thug" defense every time keep coming back to the "comply or die" line.
I'm just wondering why we even have judges and juries. Either do everything the officer tells you or the officer can now become the judge/jury/executioner.
Of course this is is usually the same people who cheered on assaulting cops to break into the Capitol building
If you can't see the irony then I don't know where you are mentally. And by you I mean these people in general
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Re: I'm talking about in general
Apr 14, 2021, 12:04 PM
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I mean really are you getting this from your social media feeds. Don't be such a #######.
On seeing the last part of the video, I thought the cop was a POS and should get some type of consequence. However, that was not the whole story, as it always ends up.
The dude was driving for some amount of time NOT STOPPING. And the reason for this is because people like FBCoachSC® keep repeating the narrative that he rants about here.
The color of the military Lt doesn't matter. If it is a white dude driving and not pulling over, I'd expect he would get the same treatment from that cop.
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Re: I'll mark you down for a yes.***
Apr 13, 2021, 12:21 PM
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An infinite number of examples you might give to make your case and that's what comes to your mind.
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Stubborn always has ##### on the brain
Apr 13, 2021, 12:23 PM
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and tongue
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Okay, here's another one. A cop asks you
Apr 13, 2021, 12:24 PM
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to put your finger in his rectum and if you don't, you'll go to jail.
Do you say yes or no? Show your work.
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Re: Okay, here's another one. A cop asks you
Apr 13, 2021, 1:43 PM
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You and your fantasies
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So if an officer asks you a question he's not legally
Apr 13, 2021, 12:26 PM
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allowed to ask, or orders you to do something he's not legally allowed to do, the answer is always "comply, or you're risking death"? A REAL big part of the problem is that many police officers either don't know the laws they're tasked with enforcing, or are counting on you not knowing them or being scared enough that you obey for fear of violent retribution.
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BuT iF yOu HaVe NoThInG tO hIdE.......
Apr 13, 2021, 12:29 PM
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Re: So if an officer asks you a question he's not legally
Apr 13, 2021, 12:54 PM
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Why get bogged down in things an officer isn't legally allowed to ask you to do? Why not deal with the facts here as best we have them? The police, for whatever reason, ordered the guy out of the car - repeatedly. The motorist failed to comply and was pepper sprayed. He wasn't executed, didn't risk death, wasn't given the Rodney King treatment. He was sprayed and removed from the car.
The "big part" of the problem has nothing to do with police officers not knowing the law. The "big part" of the problem is a growing attitude in this country that police are the bad guys and you don't have to comply with them.
So....if you don't believe you should comply with the police, don't. I wouldn't advise that course of action, but do what you want. The next time you're stopped, refuse to comply and educate the officer on the law. See how that works out for you.
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Re: So if an officer asks you a question he's not legally
Apr 13, 2021, 12:58 PM
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The next time you're stopped, refuse to comply and educate the officer on the law. See how that works out for you.
And this is the problem. The fact that how this can "work out for you" is being shot dead is a problem. Giving people who could barely graduate high school, and where there's a literal IQ cap in most departments, the ability to do whatever they want to you because you "didn't comply" is the problem.
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Re: So if an officer asks you a question he's not legally
Apr 13, 2021, 1:13 PM
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I say "see how that works out for you" and you leap to it involving a shooting. Was the guy in this video shot?
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Yep... with pepper spray. At least he used the right holster***
Apr 14, 2021, 1:17 AM
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Sorry, but that analogy is pretty stupid...
Apr 13, 2021, 1:10 PM
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the guy in VA was stopped legally. He drove for 2 mins (which seems like a long time to me) before pulling over, allegedly without signaling to the cop he was going to pull over up ahead.
The cop gets out and can't see what he's dealing with, in part, because of the darkly tinted windows.
The driver does not comply with the 1st officer's command to put his hands out of the window or get out of the car.
The 2nd officer comes in WAY too hot and goes over the top.
But the facts don't change. The driver was given a legal commend from a police officer during a legal stop and he refused to comply. In my book, the cop's actions to pepper spray were warranted.
And I think the 2nd officer deserved the firing he received.
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I don't understand the point of the pepper spray
Apr 13, 2021, 3:22 PM
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Seems like something you would use in defense, not to enforce compliance. Like, how would that help him get out of the car? Seems like it hurt more than it helped. It just seems punitive.
If he refused to get out of the car, then I'd think you'd just grab him or something. Then use the pepper spray if he gets physically aggressive.
Of course, you would charge him as necessary with the refusal to comply.
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My understanding is that cops are trained not to reach...
Apr 13, 2021, 5:14 PM
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reach in a car to grab a person out.
I heard some cop trainer saying yesterday, at that point, it was either pepper spray or taser and pepper spray was the correct choice.
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Re: My understanding is that cops are trained not to reach...
Apr 13, 2021, 5:27 PM
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