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Central Bank of Russia was hacked by Anonymous
Mar 24, 2022, 11:34 PM
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who says they will release info on 35,000 secret contracts.
I wonder whether if any of these contracts are with powerful people in this country, especially certain oligarch-loving politicians who took $7.35 Million for their campaigns.
I’d also be curious to know how much, if any, money Democratic politicians have received from these oligarchs. I’d imagine Tulsi got some donations.
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Sounds to be better than the Panama Papers if ever shown.***
Mar 25, 2022, 1:54 AM
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Re: Central Bank of Russia was hacked by Anonymous
Mar 25, 2022, 6:44 AM
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If this is true, then look for (1) the Democrat party and (2) the NYT to start the 'maybe it's time for NATO to deploy tactical nukes against Russia to save Ukraine freedom fighters' narrative.
Oh yes, the the first target in Russia for tactical nukes will be the Central Bank of Russia (CBoR) so that we can shake our heads about the tragedy of destroying the records of CBoR ... i.e., the only legitimate repository of CBoR's records.
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So is this justification for Russia to launch nuclear
Mar 25, 2022, 7:05 AM
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attacks, as Biden has claimed he would in the reverse situation?
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Re: So is this justification for Russia to launch nuclear
Mar 25, 2022, 7:47 AM
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Putin can create whatever pretense he wants to go nuclear….. and you would likely sympathize with him.
Why is that?
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He likes dictators.***
Mar 25, 2022, 7:53 AM
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Re: He likes dictators.***
Mar 25, 2022, 9:20 AM
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And he hates the rest of us.
Everything he says is Incel Dude In Mom's Basement type stuff. He has very weird and often completely wonky and erroneous takes on things...which tells you he genuinely just doesn't know how the real world works. Which in turn tells you he's isolated from it, has never been out in it, and based on his obvious worldview, has a distinctly paranoid and poisonous view towards the rest of us. Most MAGA's have a myopic, very limited worldview - which is why it's so easy for Fox News to convince them of stuff that's just patently untrue - but Tom goes way beyond that, has a dysfunctionality that's...nuts.
My guess is none of us have ever seen this dude out on the street, and probably never will.
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Re: So is this justification for Russia to launch nuclear
Mar 25, 2022, 8:53 AM
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Where should Putin aim the nukes? Anonymous isn't associated with any country and it's believed they actually include members from several countries. They obviously at least have some members who can read Russian.
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Re: So is this justification for Russia to launch nuclear
Mar 25, 2022, 9:05 AM
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Plus it doesn't sound like they took down the bank.
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Re: So is this justification for Russia to launch nuclear
Mar 25, 2022, 9:04 AM
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Wah?
When did Biden say he was going to nuke Russia? Hacking isn't considered deployment of WMD, he just said we would respond in kind with our own cyberattacks if they disrupted critical infrastructure...which, by the way, it doesn't sound like Anonymous did.
They got in, they had a look-see, they pilfered, they left. Did they leave the bank in a crippled state like DarkSide did to our pipeline this past summer?
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They were so tight with that oligarch-loving politician
Mar 25, 2022, 8:00 AM
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that they said "hey, maybe we should wait until the guy we're in bed with is OUT of office to invade Ukraine (again, which we did with the guy BEFORE our guy also), because why would we want to invade a country when we have a puppet who'll be lenient with us?"
Yes, passes the sniff test perfectly.
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Re: They were so tight with that oligarch-loving politician
Mar 25, 2022, 9:12 AM
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You're kidding, right?
Putin had no idea the West was going to respond with such vitriol...or effectiveness. I'll admit it shocked the crap out of me too, I never saw this degree of effectiveness coming from Joe at any point, and if you'd have told me NATO would have rallied with this degree of unity to stand up to, well, anything, I'd have asked what you were smoking.
Putin thought we were weak and stupid, and he thought he'd walk in and take what he wanted in three days, and we'd just sit there on the sidelines bleating ineffectually and throw a few scattershot sanctions at him that basically clattered off the rim but did nothing much in particular...and up until this happened, I'd have agreed with him.
This...wasn't expected. By anybody, I think. What it tells you is there's a ton of built-up anger and fear towards Putin and an awareness that this China/Russia axis is genuinely dangerous (which they are), and is getting mighty close to home for a lot of us.
Self-preservation, it appears, wins a lot of hearts and minds.
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I think you're missing my point.
Mar 25, 2022, 9:27 AM
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It doesn't matter what Putin expected at a granular level, as much as the fact that he absolutely would have expected that if X = resistance to invasion with a puppet as the US President, and Y = resistance to invasion with a non-puppet, then he would have believed that Y > X, making the X timeframe riper for the invasion.
The logic here by the OP is like Nick Saban needing to bench a star player for a game with a two game window to do it, and deciding to sit him for the Georgia game instead of UAB.
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Putin and Xi both
Mar 25, 2022, 9:41 AM
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know the Biden Admin as it’s basically the same admin as Obama and the same direction. They were aggressive then under Obama and are continuing that March under Biden. They know who they are dealing with and are taking advantage.
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Imagine Obama having sanctions on Gazprom and Nordstream 2
Mar 25, 2022, 9:49 AM
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and Trump immediately lifting them upon taking office....how big a stink would it have been? Yet no one at all questions Biden's motives when he does the same, and Trump is still the Russian butt-boy.
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Re: Putin and Xi both
Mar 25, 2022, 11:08 AM
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They don't seem to know who they're dealing with. That's why Putin got this one so very wrong.
I was a bouncer. Joe's not an Obama or a Jimmy Carter. Obama and Carter types are those so-reasonable intellectual dudes who will sit there and try to reason a bully to death even as the guy is winding up to punch them in the face. Joe's that scrappy little scrawny kid from the wrong side of the tracks who'll break a bottle over your head before you can do it. He's no Reasonable Intellectual Guy. He's just old and Putin seems to have convinced himself because he was Obama's VP and fighting obvious signs of senile dementia and got his pants pulled all the way down in Afghanistan he could be pushed around.
And Vlad got the bottle smashed over his head. Whoops.
Vlad got himself owned on this one. Biden's definitely approaching his use-by date, no doubt, but he's no weakling, and anybody who tries to push on him is going to be in a fight.
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Re: They were so tight with that oligarch-loving politician
Mar 25, 2022, 9:26 AM
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Yeah, I'm probably just one confused good ole' boy when I read about Russian tycoons donating millions of dollars ($7.35 million) to certain high-profile American and British political leaders.
It was all out of the goodness of their hearts, lol.
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Is the contention that:
Mar 25, 2022, 9:30 AM
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A) Those in power love/respect/fear Trump enough to not go after him for these crimes that you declare as obvious as the nose on your face.
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B) That Trump is so smart and shrewd that he has outwitted the mass of investigations from all the various legal quarters that he's faced?
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Well, it wasn't my intention to further diminish Trump's
Mar 25, 2022, 9:36 AM
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record of cozy relationships with Russia and Putin.
I actually never mentioned Trump in my original post. What interests me is the seemingly endless channel of money that seems to flow to one political party in particular in our country, and how that effects this party's general disposition towards Russia.
Can you deny that Putin and his Russian collaborators have chosen a specific party in this country to leverage?
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My bad, I missed that you said politician(S) and not
Mar 25, 2022, 9:47 AM
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politician singular...I was just going with the obvious one with that assumption...my fault---I think I'm well on record as not being a Trumper, so I promise I wasn't jumping to a perceived slight.
I guess I look at results vs what I think people want.
Trump's economic policies were not favorable at all to Russia...in fact, their economy was in shambles for most, of his 4 years in office. Trump was heavy against Nordstream 2....Biden greenlit it almost from day 1. Trump ordered the only military action against Russia that I can recall in my lifetime, when we wiped out a group of Russian mercenaries in Syria who had attacked some of our soldiers.
As I've said before numerous times on here---I'm trying to apply Occam's razor to this and the logic that Trump was in the bag for Russia doesn't align to the fact that he did pretty much nothing tangibly favorable for them, policy-wise, while in office.
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Re: My bad, I missed that you said politician(S) and not
Mar 25, 2022, 10:44 AM
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I gotta disagree.
You're superbright - and I know it - so please don't take this the wrong way, but one thing that's frustrated me about you is precisely because you're such a disciplined, meticulous brain and obviously effective guy you don't understand malfunctioning humans particularly well.
I lived with malevolent crazy in my face a lot of my life. I do have a certain...insight into how it works.
Precisely because you're the kind of guy who would never beat his wife, I don't think you understand why certain kinds of people do it. And that's what this is about. It's not about rational territorial gains or "policy", it's all about wounded pride.
Putin's, specifically. It's about showing who's got power and who doesn't, and it's not any more complicated than that. He's a mafioso making a statement and an example out of someone. You don't do that when you feel in control...precisely the opposite, guys like him do it when they don't.
You think he really cares about setting up "free Republics" for the benefit of ethnic Russians who are suffering from Nazism and oppression in Eastern Ukraine? What he was doing, he was doing because he thought he could and he wanted to put the b!tch who was leaving him in her place...and slap the people she was leaving him for in the face - the West - in the process, and show us all just how weak and ineffective and pathetic we all are.
Well, so much for that. And now he's even more dangerous, because having had his butt handed to him, do you think he's just going to go quietly? Or do you think he's going to exterminate some Ukrainian civilians with chemical weapons on the way out, just to show all of us he's a dangerous motor scooter and there's no lines he won't cross and we'd all better fear him?
Putin's been humiliated. And he isn't going to suffer humiliation well. Which means he's going to kill a whole lot of people in awful, shocking ways on the way out, just to show he will.
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ok, mutual respect noted and reciprocated, but maybe....
Mar 25, 2022, 2:23 PM
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just maybe, is it possible that that your close proximity to malevolent crazy has given you a tendency to presume the existence of malevolent crazy in scenarios where the real explanation is much more logical and mundane? Regardless, like a lot of things, I suspect the answer lies somewhere in the middle.
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Re: ok, mutual respect noted and reciprocated, but maybe....
Mar 26, 2022, 1:48 PM
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I mean, sure, but one of the things you learn with long exposure to dysfunctional situations is how to smell badness and dangerousness in people. I made a living at it for awhile. The best cops, I suspect, have particularly evolved forms of that radar...and likely for much the same reason as I do. When you see it every day, you get very familiar with it...and if you've been forced to protect yourself and others from it, you learn to really despise it.
One of the things I particularly learned to distrust was people who needed power, especially those who have a problem with the truth. There's something really wrong with them, and they'll do anything and step on anybody to get what they want. I honestly don't think it's so much power corrupts as, power's actually magnetic to the corruptible. You constantly see presidents go into office and age ten years every term they're in office (not Trump!)...for most of us, that kind of authority is a heavy, heavy burden.
Putin, on the other hand, has just this casual contempt for the truth, and he kills anybody who remotely threatens his power, usually in really graphic, public ways. And he comes across as not just a sociopath but as a genuine psychopath...I don't think he really feels fear and certainly not empathy the way normal humans do, and there's that dangerous absence of affect around his eyes I learned to associate with the truly scaly characters. I had one guy with those kind of reptilian eyes try to cut me up with a straight razor one time, and I still have a scar over my eye over that, actually.
I think he's a genuinely bad guy...and you know I've been singing that song for years.
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Multiple unpackings from that post.
Mar 26, 2022, 2:17 PM
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Your second paragraph, IMHO, applies to all modern Senators and Presidents, and almost all Representatives. We’ve created a system somehow where only that big of a POS is left standing when the dust clears for those positions. I’ve said before, we used to tell kids they could be President one day. Now, if either of my kids were in serious contention for the office, I would know that something had gone terribly wrong with how I raised them.
Putin has sociopathic tendencies, absolutely. He also comes from a system where outright lies and fabrications were mandatory to keep the citizenry placated. Lying is second nature, if not ethically acceptable to Russians. It’s why they make fantastic used car dealers here in the states. It’s no difference than the Chinese being morally ok with cheating in academia or IP theft—it’s part of the cultural game.
It’s compounded in Putin by the fact that he’s well on record as having a Napoleonic inferiority complex, lives in an ill-informed bubble of yes-men afraid to tell him the truth, and in my opinion, isn’t particularly intelligent. It makes for a particularly dangerous combination.
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