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So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
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Dec 23, 2022, 8:29 AM
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Agnostic, Or one of the other 1000’s of religions out there (not saying agnostic or atheist is a religion) with different beliefs , but are just great people in general. Will CDS still recruit outside of his beliefs?
My worry about bringing church into recruiting is that not all believe the same as CDS and that’s fine. We don’t all have to agree, but we must respect others beliefs. And recruits who believe differently should get the same opportunity as the Christian recruits Dabo goes for.
My question is, if you don’t believe like Dabo does that hurt that recruit?
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
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Dec 23, 2022, 8:34 AM
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
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Dec 23, 2022, 8:36 AM
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Thank you deadsolidperfect.
Clover, nuff said.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 9:19 AM
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Not Clover, same avatar though
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 8:40 AM
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Thanks for sharing!
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Although your troll wasn’t original, it was entertaining
Dec 23, 2022, 4:24 PM
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to laugh at.
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Absolutely.***
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Re: Looks as though Dabo takes loving your neighbor
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Dec 23, 2022, 12:36 PM
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I bought that back in 2014, because I wanted to believe it. But as we move forward through time and Dabo's repeated references to his god (especially this last one), I have come back to the uncomfortable questions about religion and the Clemson Football Program.
And I have no evidence that reassures me that the coaching staff is not mixing the two together inappropriately.
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Re: Looks as though Dabo takes loving your neighbor
Dec 23, 2022, 1:27 PM
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You better believe Christianity is the big recruiting tool used by Dabo and the staff. How else do you think Clemson happened? There is no doubt in my mind his faith makes coming to play football at Clemson very attractive for parents and especially African American moms. It got us tons of championships so I’m not complaining. I just hope he can get past his thing with the portal or we may not see the playoffs again.
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Re: Looks as though Dabo takes loving your neighbor
Dec 23, 2022, 2:55 PM
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Freak,
So are you admitting that Dabo is unlawfully proselytizing in his state paid job and that you are OK with his infringing on the religious freedoms of his non-christian recruits and players ?? As long as he wins championships it's all good with you ??
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Re: Looks as though Dabo takes loving your neighbor
Dec 23, 2022, 3:04 PM
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Infringing on what? Could you possibly be specific? Nobody is entitled to freedom FROM religion. They are entitled to freedom OF religion. They are vastly different. If you believe that anyone is forcing religion on someone else, then more than vague speculation is required. Forcing NO religion is clearly unlawful.
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Re: Looks as though Dabo takes loving your neighbor
Dec 23, 2022, 3:32 PM
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plastic
Perhaps you could explain the difference.
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Re: Looks as though Dabo takes loving your neighbor
Dec 23, 2022, 5:01 PM
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@Tobias27772 he does not make these kids come to Clemson. I have heard multiple players mention their faith. You act like Dabo is the only person that believes in God. Faith and family is a staple of Dabo and the great thing about it from what I have heard is he lives it and the players see it.
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Re: Looks as though Dabo takes loving your neighbor
Dec 23, 2022, 2:57 PM
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T3
No, but I think as a taxpayer and an alumni, I have the right to know if our coach is violating the Constitution. I have questions. I would like answers.
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You're not fooling anyone.
Dec 23, 2022, 4:31 PM
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Tobias27772 dabo is not your coach. You got a puffed out chest and letting your true feelings come out since your USuC knuckleheads beat Clemson. Move on kid.
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Re: You're not fooling anyone.
Dec 23, 2022, 8:15 PM
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Feral
I am a Clemson Alumni - class of 93.
Just because I don't blindly worship in the Cult of Dabo does not mean that I am not a Tiger fan - and a supporter of Clemson University.
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Re: You're not fooling anyone.
Dec 24, 2022, 3:33 PM
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It's my opinion that the coots didn't beat us. As much as I care about Dabo, and love about everything he has done for our FB program, I have to say that Dabo allowed his stubbornness to get in the way of Clemson winning the coot game. If he hadn't been so dead set on showing the sports media/ESECPN talking heads, and our fan base that he alone run everything within our FB program, Cade Klubnik would have stepped in after DJ's first couple series of the second half, and we would have beat the coots by 2 or 3 scores. Even though Dabo has said that he didn't regret any decisions he made in the game, I didn't believe that statement for a second after it come from his mouth. If he was as dead serious with that statement as he was with showing the country who run the Clemson FB program, Neff and the trusties should cut his salary bc it would mean he isn't as good a HC as they or the fan base believe that he is!!!! The FB program that Dabo is in charge of running, lost that game without a doubt bc of Dabo's intentions of making a statement about who was in charge!!!!
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Re: Looks as though Dabo takes loving your neighbor
Dec 24, 2022, 6:17 PM
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The Constitution say the government can not stop anyone from speaking about religion even on government property.
What 5 rights are in the 1st Amendment?
The five freedoms it protects: speech, religion, press, assembly, and the right to petition the government. Together, these five guaranteed freedoms make the people of the United States of America the freest in the world.
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Seems like the kids in the program, their parents, siblings,
Dec 23, 2022, 4:55 PM
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and kids and families he's recruited over the years don't have much of any issue with him or the staff or the program over his professed faith.
Until there is any evidence to the contrary on any 'inappropriate mixing' - nobody has to do a single thing to try and prove otherwise to anyone.
Merry Christmas!
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Re: Looks as though Dabo takes loving your neighbor
Dec 29, 2023, 6:04 PM
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####. Is that clear? If you question the man and his faith go root for another team. Either you are All In or not.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 9:35 AM
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Thanks for posting this, DSP. I knew this existed, but couldn't find it.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 11:23 AM
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Dead,
If Dabo does give preferential treatment to christians, it's not like he is going to stand up and tell the world about it.
Plus, it is more than possible that his biases are more subliminal and covert rather than recognized and overt.
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No, if he's righteous and I believe him to be, then he'd...
Dec 23, 2022, 11:41 AM
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happily help "shepherd" souls toward a simple path of good citizenship.
There are infinite good peoples, that might not share this or that particular path to a "God" or the peace that it might deliver. The man is about young people, the promise to their families to bring them back more whole as humans than when he was delivered them.
Why anyone might try and impeach that is beyond me. I do not believe in Dabo's personal God, but I'll be fucking durned if I'll ever try to dissway that good man from his chosen, awarding path.
Doing right has no end...
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Re: No, if he's righteous and I believe him to be, then he'd...
Dec 23, 2022, 12:06 PM
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dsp,
Is it possible that Dabo has grown to believe that his god is the only way to find the path to better human beings ? When he makes statements like he just did, it causes me to become concerned that he is more about the path to his god than he is about a secular path to good citizenship.
If you have any evidence that this is not the case, please share it with me, because this is an uncomfortable position for me.
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I did, in the 2014 release to the FFRF crowd and nothing...
Dec 23, 2022, 12:16 PM
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nothing at all, not one thing, has ever suggested to me he's ever relinquished that position.
I do not believe in "God", but I do believe in the incredible power of faith and Dabo's is amazing.
All he has ever done is give parents a good reason to trust Clemson, Dabo and staff with the future of their children.
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Re: I did, in the 2014 release to the FFRF crowd and nothing...
Dec 23, 2022, 12:40 PM
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dsp,
This last statement - so powerful and arrogant - HAS given me pause. I wish I could dismiss my concerns, but in the face of his public statements, I cannot. I await better evidence.
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Ok, but the only "arrogance" I've seen here is yours...***
Dec 23, 2022, 12:48 PM
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Re: Ok, but the only "arrogance" I've seen here is yours...***
Dec 23, 2022, 12:55 PM
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If you want to see arrogance look up the video of Dabo getting pulled over and getting out of his car and treating the officer who was just doing his job like his authority meant nothing.
His christian values went right out the window.
The pointing to the sky at the top of the hill, constant one liners poking at those he disagrees with is extremely arrogant, but all these coaches are and it's fine as long as he keeps winning.
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Thanks...
Dec 23, 2022, 1:02 PM
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coot.
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Re: Thanks...
Dec 23, 2022, 1:10 PM
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You are very welcome.
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Blessings, the first thing you've written that made cents...***
Dec 23, 2022, 1:30 PM
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Re: Blessings, the first thing you've written that made cents...***
Dec 23, 2022, 2:33 PM
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Sense.
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No, not remotely. Not at all.***
Dec 23, 2022, 2:45 PM
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Re: Thanks...
Dec 23, 2022, 2:52 PM
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Wow DPS,
I thought we were going to have a sensible conversation, but you have quickly devolved into ad hominin attacks - and not very clever ones at that.
Could it be, that somewhere in the back of your mind, that you have some questions about Dabo's motivations ?
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Sorry, what?***
Dec 23, 2022, 2:56 PM
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Re: Thanks...
Dec 23, 2022, 6:24 PM
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You’ll believe in God someday too, and even confess Jesus as Lord. Hope it’s not too late.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 24, 2022, 10:22 AM
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Dabo is the masons of College football
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 24, 2022, 1:06 PM
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I don't think, and I could be wrong, but I don't that I am, Clemson as the institution has never been entangled with any faith, and anybody making that claim should have proof of the accusations they're making with more than a FB HC belief. That is one person of a few hundred employed at Clemson university, and I would be willing to make a wager that there are employees employed at Clemson that never worship to the same God that Dabo worships. Infact, I would bet there are some that worship the dark side far away from Dabo's faith, and the same God that he believes in!!!
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 8:39 AM
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Thankfully, everyone has their own opinion. If you would take time to read or listen to Dabo's comments, he used the word God. All of the religions mentioned have a God. Dabo is a football coach, not a Bible Professor so you worry about your soul and Dabo will worry about his players the way any father would worry about his children.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 8:43 AM
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Let’s get something straight Vally Girl. My soul is good and I have a great life and no I’m not a Christian, however I respect all person’s beliefs and would never try and sway anyone either way.
It was just a question, so no need to be a Richard.
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A genuine question for you
Dec 23, 2022, 8:58 AM
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You note your soul is good but also are not a Christian. So what do you mean by soul if you don’t believe in God? Not trying to prod you - I am honestly curious.
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Re: A genuine question for you
Dec 23, 2022, 9:13 AM
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I dont believe that our soul will leave this body and go to heaven like the bible says. When I refer to soul it’s more on a higher consciousness level or energy. I believe there is something after, just not in the traditional bible sense.
I also believe in a god/ higher consciousness, but what that god looks like I have no idea. You loose me with the prophets. Jesus, Joseph Smith, Muhammad, etc.
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Re: A genuine question for you
Dec 23, 2022, 9:47 AM
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So why can you not give Dabo the same freedom that you want? To be able to express his beliefs without being persecuted.
Dabo did not attack anyone else’s religious beliefs, he simply stated his own. Attacking Christians is becoming the popular thing to do.
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Re: A genuine question for you
Dec 23, 2022, 12:08 PM
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Here’s a newsflash, you don’t have to be a Christian to believe in God. I’m not a Christian but I have a very good relationship with God, Same God that you worship, just goes by a different name
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 9:00 AM
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Let’s get something straight Vally Girl. My soul is good and I have a great life and no I’m not a Christian, however I respect all person’s beliefs and would never try and sway anyone either way.
It was just a question, so no need to be a Richard.
But why did you ask the question? I ask as Dabo has 12 years as HC and 30 years in the coaching business. Has there ever been a single player or parent with a complaint that they or their child was treated different or poorly based on their religion or belief system? Do you think Dabo could have survived for 30 years discriminating against players who do not share his beliefs without a single complaint?
Normally when people raise a question, they have some basis to believe it is or could be true. Given the lack of evidence what was the basis of your question?
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 12:44 PM
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Let’s get something straight Vally Girl. My soul is good and I have a great life and no I’m not a Christian, however I respect all person’s beliefs and would never try and sway anyone either way.
It was just a question, so no need to be a Richard. But why did you ask the question? I ask as Dabo has 12 years as HC and 30 years in the coaching business. Has there ever been a single player or parent with a complaint that they or their child was treated different or poorly based on their religion or belief system? Do you think Dabo could have survived for 30 years discriminating against players who do not share his beliefs without a single complaint? Normally when people raise a question, they have some basis to believe it is or could be true. Given the lack of evidence what was the basis of your question?
I've been waiting for someone to ask this. When this flared up a few years ago, some players were interviewed (I think this was when they were baptizing players on the practice field). A wide receiver (forgetting his name) equivocated a little, saying that it didn't bother him (he clearly loved Dabo) but admitted that the overt Christianity in the program sometimes made him a bit uncomfortable.
THAT was the whole point. It is a State university. In such a place, if a coach (or professor) is making any student uncomfortable with his foisting of religion on players, that is a serious problem.
Now I love what Dabo has done for the program. And I completely understand that there are players and their families who are certainly attracted to that approach. (Just as I realize that there are people who send their kids to Clemson because it is small town, sheltered, and a conservative environment.) But that does not mean that Dabo should keep pushing it quite the way he does.
He could have easily made the same point without the dopey god's NIL reference. The cynic in me thought it was to distract away from our lack of a competitive NIL program.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 9:20 AM
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Stupid question if you paid attention you wouldn’t have to ask but I’m sure your trying to kick up something
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 9:34 AM
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Stupid question if you paid attention you wouldn’t have to ask but I’m sure your trying to kick up something
It's stupid because you can't answer it or because you don't understand it?
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 11:25 AM
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Valley,
If all Dabo was doing is acting as a father figure to his athlete's, why would he keep interjecting god's name into it.
He didn't say that the Clemson program was built in the family's NIL - he said god.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
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I was about to say, its all about character with Dabo. As long as you do your job and fit the family culture that is Clemson....he doesn't care about anything else. IDK why some people think its....believe this or else type thing. He believes the word "freedom" just as much.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 11:26 AM
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Southern,
If Dabo really wants to create a family culture, why does he keep bringing up god - instead of family.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 11:52 AM
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He brings up family all the time, he's probably said the word "Family" more than any other word lol. Why is it that everyone that has something negative to say, just never pays attention. That's it....just pay attention and quit assuming or putting words in mouths that was never said.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 8:43 AM
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Dabo is more concerned about character than religion. I'm sure if a non-Christian recruit does not have a problem with Dabo's belief system, then Dabo would be open to recruiting him. The only people that have a problem with Dabo regarding your topic are the ones who are trying to create a false image of a prejudiced Clemson head coach to damage his program. It won't work.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 11:30 AM
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Because we don't know what is happening behind closed doors, we are left to surmise based on public statements. Dabo's continued references to god (and especially this last one) leads one to believe that his image of family is deeply intertwined with christianity.
I don't know if there is a christian bias in the Clemson program, but I am concerned that might be - and that would be wrong.
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I don't see the big deal about a coach wearing their
Dec 23, 2022, 8:46 AM
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Religion on their sleeve as long as they are sincere and non-discriminatory. Dabo appears to be both
Just out of curiosity, does anyone know a staff member who is of non-Christian faith? I am sure there are!
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This poast demonstrates a complete misunderstanding of
Dec 23, 2022, 8:50 AM
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what Dabo has said about his beliefs or his recruiting tactics.
It's almost "coot trollish" in nature.
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and thank you ma'am for the TD - may I please have another!
Dec 23, 2022, 8:54 AM
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coot troll
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Re: and thank you ma'am for the TD - may I please have another!
Dec 23, 2022, 8:56 AM
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A grownup name calling on a message board because you have nothing intelligent to add! ?✌?
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um....
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hypocrite. and on the same thread to...
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Re: and thank you ma'am for the TD - may I please have another!
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Who's the non-intelligent one? I manipulated you into giving me a TD.
I'm not going to do the work for you, you can look at my posts on this subject and then decide for yourself.
Just messing around. Merry Christmas, or merry whatever you celebrate.
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Of course Dabo will still recruit them.***
Dec 23, 2022, 8:59 AM
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One of the fundamental goals and duties of a Christian
Dec 23, 2022, 9:01 AM
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Is to spread God’s word. Dabo has clearly demonstrated that he believes that this is one of his main reason’s that he is in the position that he has. In fact I think if Dabo leaves Clemson football it won’t be for another coaching job it will likely be to start some kind of ministry. So in his heart of hearts I think Dabo might be more motivated to recruit someone who is not Christian. He would probably see it as not only a chance to develop an athlete , but also a chance to save a young man’s soul.
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Re: One of the fundamental goals and duties of a Christian
Dec 23, 2022, 9:24 AM
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Spreading the word is all well and fine until it becomes radical and make no mistake there are radical Christians just like radical Muslims.
Why would Dabo need to save someone who is secure and Happy in their own beliefs? That’s their business just like his faith is his.
That’s my question, can Dabo coach a player who is atheist with great morals without trying to influence said player?
There’s a reason millions have been killed for millennia over choice of religion or lack there of. People can’t take that we are all entitled to our own beliefs and shouldn’t be persecuted for it when you believe differently!
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I don’t think you fully understand Christianity.
Dec 23, 2022, 3:05 PM
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Telling others about Jesus isn’t restricted to those who are “bad people” or who aren’t secure in their beliefs. As Christians, we want God’s saving grace for everyone. Because we strive to love others as Jesus loves us, we are concerned about the fate of those who don’t know Jesus as their savior.
Of course, we are not to be forceful and offensive in telling others about Jesus, as that can do more harm than good. But with the Holy Spirit’s help, we are called to share the Good News with others.
People are absolutely entitled to their own beliefs. We can agree to disagree, and we can do so civilly and respectfully. But if I have a wonderful gift and want you to have it too, I’m being a pretty mean and awful person not to tell you about it when given the opportunity.
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Re: I don’t think you fully understand Christianity.
Dec 23, 2022, 6:23 PM
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The problem with Christianity is all the contradictions and this is a good example of one.
On one hand you say “Dabo is not pushing religion”….
On the other a Christian says it’s their job to spread their religion.
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There is a difference between telling others about it and being pushy about it.
Dec 24, 2022, 10:42 PM
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“You said you’re hungry, here’s some food.”
Versus:
“Eat this food now, and I don’t care if you want it.”
Both instances involve one person wanting to give their food to someone else, but they are very different approaches.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 9:18 AM
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Man just stop . Let it go. 99.9% of recruits when they commit say thank you to God. Stop with the what ifs and hypotheticals. Take that ovee to the coot board.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 9:20 AM
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I believe that you don't fully understand what Dabo was talking
about.He has never implied that he wouldn't take a recruit if
he was Muslim etc. You are mixing him up with Hatfield.
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Short answer… NO
Dec 23, 2022, 9:22 AM
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They just need to have Christian-like morals, character, etc…
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 9:36 AM
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God belongs everywhere…..period
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 10:00 AM
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God IS everywhere. Period.
Read your Bible.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 4:05 PM
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Let's slow your roll a bit there. Religiously run governments/institutions rarely turn out well.
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Yusef Kelly comes to mind***
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He played for Bowden.***
Dec 24, 2022, 10:43 PM
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 11:25 AM
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As long as they have good character and morals I’m sure Dabo would welcome them. Dabo is recruiting character and the kind of person you are not your religion. Many times they go hand in hand.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 11:34 AM
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Moon,
How are you so sure ? I am concerned that there is a christian bias in the Clemson football program and I would welcome some real evidence that this is not the case.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 11:58 AM
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What are your concerns about Christian bias?
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 12:18 PM
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Tig
A few of my concerns are:
1. When visiting the home of a recruit, is it easier, more likely for Dabo (and other coaches) to see the recruit (& family) as of high quality if they are overtly christian ? Most people seem to be more comfortable and accepting of people who are similar to them.
2. Do the coaches overtly as recruits or their families about their religion and how important it is in their lives? Do they draw conclusions based on those answers ?
2. If an athlete is straying off-path, can Dabo speak to them about higher expectations without referencing a god that may not be important to that athlete ? If the athlete does not respond well to Dabo's proselytizing, does he end up in the "love shack" because of his actions rather than his beliefs ?
3. Is it possible that Dabo "trusts" a christian player more than he might a non-religious player ? Can that subliminally influence his decisions about playing time ?
Please notice that all of these are questions. I do not know what goes on behind the closed doors of the football program. But when Dabo makes such a religious statement as to say that the entire football program is built in his god's image, it makes the answers to these questions all the more important.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 1:45 PM
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Tob
Thank you for your reply.
Based on all I've read, seen, and heard from Dabo I believe he is honest with recruits. He is not ashamed to say he is a Christian. Players and family members know who he is before they commit to Clemson.
Dabo has stated he recruits good athletes and good character. His goal is that they leave Clemson with a degree and be a better person for life.
I believe he tries to play the best player regardless of that players belief.
I also believe he loves players like family. If he loves them then he would want the best for them. Not force his belief on them or punish them if they don't believe.
As a Christian he believes what the Bible says that God created man and women in His image. I think that is what he was referring to with the NIL statement. Christians are commanded to bolding proclaim the gospel, not convert people. That's up to God.
Dabo loves his players. What parent would not want that?
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 3:08 PM
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Tig,
I would like to believe all of that can happen without injecting proselyting christianity into the mix. But when Dabo makes a statement that the entire Clemson Football Program was built on christ, then I have to take him at his word - and consider that he has decided that he can cross that line with impunity. I think that is Unconstitutional - and wrong.
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If you are making an accusation of wrongdoing…
Dec 23, 2022, 12:32 PM
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It’s up to YOU to prove it. Coach Swinney runs his program according to Christian principles of kindness and morality. There’s been no indication by any former player that he discriminated against them based on religion. If you believe there has been discrimination then YOU prove it.
I have an even better idea Tobias - why don’t you go pull for Standford or UC Berkeley or some other school that proudly demonstrates their dedication to secular humanist, anti-Christian values. That would seem to suit you better.
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Re: If you are making an accusation of wrongdoing…
Dec 23, 2022, 3:12 PM
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Flying,
Kindness and morality are not christian principles. They are human principles that some christians sometimes adhere to.
Secular humanistic values are not anti-christian.
Finally, Clemson University is MY university (class 0f 93) and I pay taxes to support said university. So I will continue to ask questions and seek the truth as to what is happening at my university.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 11:52 AM
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Yeah he already stated he doesnt care what religion or they even believe in God. He has his beliefs and he wants good athletes at their position, good students, with good character.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 12:23 PM
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Then why does he keep bringing up god - and connecting it to the Clemson Football Program
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 11:55 AM
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This is just continuing to stir the pot. And IMO atheist is definitely a religion. Takes a lot of faith to be an atheist.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 12:22 PM
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re·li·gion
/rəˈlij(ə)n/
noun
the belief in and worship of a superhuman power or powers, especially a God or gods.
a particular system of faith and worship.
If atheism is a religion, then off is a TV channel and bald is a hair color.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
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This is just continuing to stir the pot. And IMO atheist is definitely a religion. Takes a lot of faith to be an atheist.
As an atheist, I disagree. I see no observable evidence or logical argument of the existence of a deity, so really doesn't take any faith at all. (I would tritely say that belief in a deity is what requires faith.)
I apologize if I am projecting subtext on you, but if you are suggesting that it takes faith because if I'm wrong I'm going to hell, that is wrong because you are projecting your hell on my scenarios. I'm not showing faith because I could be reincarnated into a fish, either. I'm confident that I'll die and be gone. Full stop.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 3:09 PM
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Sure it does. In every area of life this formula works… a person sees a building, they assume there’s a builder. A person sees a painting, they rationally assume there’s a painter. However, atheists see this world, they see babies being born, they see all of the beautiful, wonderful things that we all see everyday, and they declare that it all came from nothing. Heck, the fact that they can see anything at all is a miracle. Explain how the eye “evolved” from nothing with No designer. So yes, it’s faith in nothing.
I’m a Christian but I understand if people would not want to be or maybe just not believe in the God of the Bible, but to believe that everything you see and experience came from nothing is pure human hubris.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 3:14 PM
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stodd,
Where did god come from ?
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
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Sure it does. In every area of life this formula works… a person sees a building, they assume there’s a builder. A person sees a painting, they rationally assume there’s a painter. However, atheists see this world, they see babies being born, they see all of the beautiful, wonderful things that we all see everyday, and they declare that it all came from nothing. Heck, the fact that they can see anything at all is a miracle. Explain how the eye “evolved” from nothing with No designer. So yes, it’s faith in nothing.
I’m a Christian but I understand if people would not want to be or maybe just not believe in the God of the Bible, but to believe that everything you see and experience came from nothing is pure human hubris.
I believe in the wonder of the natural world. That isn't hubris. You seem to need to call it hubris in order to denigrate those with whom you disagree. I see natural things and think about the unfathomable odds that over million of years it came to this and these moments.
The evolution of eyes is fairly straightforward.
https://www.nyas.org/magazines/autumn-2009/how-the-eye-evolved/
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
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“Fairly straightforward” I don’t think so. I just know everything I deal with daily is a fight to keep it going. To make anything good takes effort. Things deteriorate without effort. Oh but not evolution, time and randomness makes things more and more complex. It takes faith to believe that. Even if evolution were true, I’d never believe it wasn’t directed by someone bigger than us.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
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“Fairly straightforward” I don’t think so. I just know everything I deal with daily is a fight to keep it going. To make anything good takes effort. Things deteriorate without effort. Oh but not evolution, time and randomness makes things more and more complex. It takes faith to believe that. Even if evolution were true, I’d never believe it wasn’t directed by someone bigger than us.
You asked how the eye evolved and I provided a link. It sounds like you don't want to know how the eye evolved because your blind faith in a god is more important that any evidence that can be provided.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
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What a silly take.
Saying I don't believe in ghosts doesn't mean anything other than I don't believe in ghosts. Same with religion.
If I'm not religious, I'm not religious. Period.
> Takes a lot of faith to be an atheist.
What are you even talking about here?
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Has been addressed over and over and over and over again.
Dec 23, 2022, 12:38 PM
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The answer is no.
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Dec 23, 2022, 12:50 PM
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Time for you guys to realize, you guys no longer matter
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 3:05 PM
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No, Dabo will 100 percent persecute anyone who is not a Christian.
Seriously......who didn't see this DA post coming. Its Dabo, he professes his Christian views. He is allowed to do so and honestly if you do not like it go cheer for someone else if it bothers you that much
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 3:18 PM
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I have absolutely no problem with Dabo being a christian. I don't even care if he makes it publicly known that he is christian. But when he says that he built the Clemson Football Program in his god's image, then that is a number of steps too far.
And I think you would feel the same way if his religion didn't match up so well with yours - say if he was a Muslim coach and was building the Clemson Football Program in Allah's image.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 23, 2022, 4:05 PM
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Yeah never let your faith get bigger than recruiting ?
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You ACCIDENTALLY forgot to mention HINDU***
Dec 23, 2022, 4:28 PM
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I remember at least one Muslim player in Clemson's past
Dec 23, 2022, 8:21 PM
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I believe Dabo was on the staff at the time but Tommy was HC. It wasn't an issue.
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Re: So, if a recruit is Muslim, Buddhist, Morman, Atheists,
Dec 24, 2022, 10:56 AM
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what if the players actual religion, you know, the one the player actually lives by, is to win no matter what... does this make player a prime recruit for any program?
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