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110%er [8244]
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Missouri star Sam
Feb 10, 2014, 6:16 AM
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could become 1st gay NFL player Missouri's All-America defensive end Michael Sam came out to the entire country Sunday night and could become the first openly gay player in America's most popular sport. "I am an openly, proud gay man," he said. Associated Press By RALPH D. RUSSO
Openly-Yes 1st--?
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Orange Blooded [4754]
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Didn't Spurrier play in th NFL once?*******
Feb 10, 2014, 6:29 AM
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Yes, but I think he's egosexual, since he loves himself.***
Feb 10, 2014, 7:00 AM
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I thought the kicker for the Vikings
Feb 10, 2014, 7:39 AM
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Was first NFL player to admit he was gay?
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Orange Blooded [4757]
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No, he is an outspoken gay rights advocate
Feb 10, 2014, 7:49 AM
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but is himself straight.
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Orange Blooded [4155]
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Re: No, he is an outspoken gay rights advocate
Feb 10, 2014, 7:50 AM
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RIIIIIIIGGHHHHHHHHHHTTTTTTTTTTTT!!! Believe that if u want!
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Re: No, he is an outspoken gay rights advocate
Feb 10, 2014, 8:50 AM
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Lots of gay rights advocates are not gay.
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Yeah right, I suppose next you're going to tell me that
Feb 10, 2014, 9:33 AM
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there are white people arguing for racial equality. Like that could ever happen.
Let me guess...there were men in favor of women's suffrage too? What kind of fantasy world do you live in?
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Re: Yeah right, I suppose next you're going to tell me that
Feb 10, 2014, 9:52 AM
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I know, I'm lost in some realm of fantasy haha. Ironically, most of the people who are 100% against homosexuality due to the bible's stance are also 100% helping the poor in the form of something like Obamacare (which I'm actually against at this point, but I thought it was worth pointing out).
They're also all for "less government intervention" (I am too), but want the government to intervene in something as simple as who you can love and be married to.
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Re: Yeah right, I suppose next you're going to tell me that
Feb 11, 2014, 2:40 PM
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There had to have been men, especially men in office, that did support women's suffrage since we now have equality rights and affirmative action. Your stupidity is showing.
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Re: Yeah right, I suppose next you're going to tell me that
Feb 11, 2014, 3:19 PM
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You missed the joke
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110%er [5572]
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So funny that guys like Sam
Feb 10, 2014, 8:43 AM
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and gay people in general feel they need to interject their sexual orientation into it.
Guess what would happen if I showed up at work one day and openly proclaimed to the entire office that I was "heterosexual"? I don't care what you do with your #### on your own time, shut up. Keep your private life private, nobody cares.
Being gay isn't anything to brag about. In the words of Strom Thurmond...."your sick, and you need to get yourself checked out".
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you are not persecuted for bEing
Feb 10, 2014, 8:48 AM
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Heterosexual. .. and I see plenty of straight people flaunting their relationships.
The whole world could use a little more modesty.
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Actually, I am persecuated for being heterosexual
Feb 10, 2014, 9:05 AM
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Have never seen a straight person telling the rest of the NFL "hey I'm straight".
That's the point.
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Oh you poor thing. I can't imagine how hard it is to be you.***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:11 AM
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Re: Thanks for making my point
Feb 10, 2014, 9:16 AM
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Decision have consequences.
Quit being a baby. Don't beg for attention and ask for everybody's sympathy and approval for your lifestyle.
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Your point is that you are persecuted for being straight.
Feb 10, 2014, 9:37 AM
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That's idiotic. The concept of homosexuality makes no sense to me, and it is personally disgusting to me, not morally, but just taste-wise. Extroverted flamboyantly gay people also annoy the crap out of me most of the time.
That said... your statement that you are persecuted makes you look like an idiot. Think about people who are actually persecuted throughout history. Then... have some pride and stop claiming victim-hood.
And feeling comfortable to declare something about yourself to the world and seek support/acceptance does not equate to begging for attention, unless you are going to say the same about message board prayer requests.
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He's confusing being persecuted for being an idiot
Feb 10, 2014, 10:59 AM
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for being persecuted for literally anything else. Dumb people usually don't realize they're dumb, and are often very sure they are not. He is obviously very dumb if he thinks that ever, anywhere, a heterosexual person has been persecuted for being heterosexual to any degree that would put it even on the same scale as being kidnapped, tortured, raped, and murdered for being gay (or for even associating with gay people, which also happens).
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Re: Actually, I am persecuated for being heterosexual
Feb 10, 2014, 9:19 AM
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You've never heard a someone called "sick" because they're straight. You've never seen people beaten, killed & maimed because they're straight.
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you are not persecuted for being heterOsexual. you are not
Feb 10, 2014, 9:32 AM
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Verbally abused for choosing the opposite sex. As far as I know there Are not groups of heterophobic people beating you up or damming you for simply choosing the opposite sex.
As for declaring your heterosexuality, you don't because no one asks. That isn't the case if you are homosexual. I don't know this guy and im not in his shOes. How do you know this is his idea? For all we know he would rather just go about his business. How do yOu know this isn't simply the media blowing this up? After reading the few comments here, I would say it takes cOurage. WheTher he is looKing for attention is anOther topic. I certainly hope he ignoresb the requests for interviews and simply moves on wIth his life. .
My guess is that won't happen. Homophobes will use him as a symbol of all that is evil and homosexuals will use him as their champion. Either way we will be forced to see this for some time.
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Re: So funny that guys like Sam
Feb 10, 2014, 8:57 AM
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According to what I've seen & heard, media members began finding out about his sexual orientation (he had come out in August to his team, so I assume word had slowly begun to spread) and were preparing to go public. Sam simply wanted this to be made public on his own terms.
He's not bragging about being gay, and it's certainly not a sickness as you're suggesting. Bigotry, however, may be. Thankfully, the cure is simple: don't be scared of cultures and people you don't understand. Learn more about the people you're so afraid of. You'll probably come to find they're not so bad.
You do realize that with the mindset that homosexuality is a sickness, you're the modern day version of segregationists from the 1960s...right?
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Re: Re: So funny that guys like Sam
Feb 10, 2014, 9:03 AM
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Live and let live. Worry about your own life and let others live their lives.
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The problem with that statement is that
Feb 10, 2014, 9:07 AM
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segregationists didn't have Biblical backing for their viewpoints where for Christians and those that believe the Bible (or h3ll even muslims), there is backing when we say that being gay is a sin and is dead wrong
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Re: The problem with that statement is that
Feb 10, 2014, 9:18 AM
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In my opinion it's an apt comparison. Yes the bible says it's against...but the bible also preaches tolerance, doesn't it? It also says we shouldn't judge others too, right?
Similarly, in parts of the Bible there is advocacy for slavery (http://www.openbible.info/topics/slavery) and then against in others. These arguments were used by both sides in the times of slavery & segregation.
The fact is, it appears the bible talks out of both sides of its mouth at times, and that's fine. I don't have a problem with that. The thing I have a problem with is advocates for the bible drawing an arbitrary line in the sand with homosexuality.
Many "devout" Christians still get tattoos, have premarital sex, have oral sex, and sex for non-reproductive purposes. They have no problem with that and not following many of the other things said in the bible (like wearing more than one type of fabric/fiber), but homosexuality is where the line is drawn because it makes them uncomfortable.
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Tolerance of homosexuality is me NOT going to gay bars
Feb 10, 2014, 9:38 AM
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and killing people for their deviant lifestyle. I'm tolerant in that if they want to be that way, that's their choice.
But when it's shoved in my face and tried to be made out by the media as a normal lifestyle, and when I have an issue with that then I'm made out as an intolerant bigot. Tolerance and acceptance are two different things, I'm tolerant of it but I don't accept it as normal or ok
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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my point as well. i don't like being force fed anything.
Feb 10, 2014, 9:43 AM
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to each their own, just keep it to themselves, please..
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Who's force feeding you?
Feb 10, 2014, 9:46 AM
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This young man who is about to be drafted by the NFL, or the media?
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Orange Blooded [4787]
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the media, just like the undertones of a lot of the super
Feb 10, 2014, 9:49 AM
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bowl commercials. it's those blasted hollywood liberals, i tell ya. ruining my beloved america.
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Hearing about something you don't like is being force-fed...
Feb 10, 2014, 9:49 AM
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according to FoxNews.
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You're right, because MSNBC is so tolerant***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:51 AM
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Nice job making assumptions. It's the only way most people
Feb 10, 2014, 9:53 AM
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can operate. You see something negative about Foxnews, so you automatically assume it must be a person from the other "side."
Both Foxnews and MSNBC are designed to herd sheep.
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Drudge report ftw***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:54 AM
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^^^Lawyer logic at work ftw***
Feb 10, 2014, 9:58 AM
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No, but it wasn't a bad conclusion. Foxnews just promotes
Feb 10, 2014, 10:00 AM
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the victimhood for Christians and whites and males thing all day long. They look for stories that can reinforce that train of thought.
80% of every vote I ever cast was for a Republican. I am 2nd Amendment guy.
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Well first of all, there is a blatant modern attack
Feb 10, 2014, 10:22 AM
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on Christianity.
Just out of curiosity, how do you cast 80% of a vote for one candidate and 20% of a vote for another?
I have never voted for a candidate who was not Republican. However I am absolutely not a Republican and I personally despise the current state of the Republican party. If you can't tell I am all for the right of gay people to get married. That seems like a human right, as opposed to just a straight person right, don't you think? Unless the US Constitution doesn't apply to gay people.
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Ring of Honor [26353]
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Except that marriage is a religious institution and not a
Feb 10, 2014, 11:07 AM
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government controlled one. Can non religious people get married? Absolutely, but there are stipulations on who can and can't get married. That's not something the government can change when they feel like it
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Except the right to get married is guaranteed by the
Feb 10, 2014, 11:15 AM
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SCOTUS's interpretation of the Constitution.
So yes, that is something the government can change when they feel like it.
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Re: Except that marriage is a religious institution and not a
Feb 10, 2014, 11:53 AM
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Marriage isn't limited to religion. That's why whoever performs the marriage usually says: "By the power vested in me by the state of ______ I know pronounce you husband and wife/man and wife".
A wedding is often performed within the confines of a religious institution but the marriage itself, as viewed by the law, is government based. A Catholic marriage is viewed no different than a Baptist/Jewish/Islamic/Methodist/Atheist/Hindu/Mormon marriage in the eyes of the law. There is no difference in rights between these groups by law. Since we give this freedom to all other religions, we should give those rights to homosexuals.
This isn't the government changing something "when they feel like it". This is awarding people basic human rights.
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Re: Except that marriage is a religious institution and not a
Feb 10, 2014, 12:34 PM
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now* pronounce you man and wife
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Re: are they man and woman ? if not, they aren't married . look
Feb 10, 2014, 3:17 PM
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I'm not sure what you mean by "are they man and woman? If not, they aren't married".
And yea, for now it's primarily liberal states...though Iowa is balanced, as is New Hampshire, and Utah is heavily conservative (currently pending litigation). I'm not sure what you mean though. Liberal areas are of course going to be ahead of more conservative areas on this issue.
However this will eventually make it's way across the country. I come from a liberal area (metro Boston), and most of my Clemson friends were from traditionally Conservative areas...however even many those who were very religious had a "live and let live" attitude when it comes to the subject.
This isn't a matter of "if" it'll ever be universally allowed. It's a matter of when.
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if so, i'll be long gone. i hope, anyway.
Feb 10, 2014, 3:40 PM
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this isn't the country my ancestors fought for.
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Re: if so, i'll be long gone. i hope, anyway.
Feb 10, 2014, 3:50 PM
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I think it is....maybe some people just never realized by saying "freedom of religion" meant something beyond "freedom to be a Christian".
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It says that 100 years from now, this won't be a debate.
Feb 10, 2014, 4:43 PM
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Anyone calling for marriage to mean just a man and a woman will be considered radical. Just like people defending slavery would be considered nuts, today.
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That is entirely factually incorrect. Marriage is a legal
Feb 10, 2014, 4:42 PM
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definition, regardless of its origins. And marriage predates Christianity or Judaism. It's a social institution, that was made religious and legal.
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Re: Well first of all, there is a blatant modern attack
Feb 10, 2014, 4:02 PM
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Again, marriage is not simply a religious institution. It's recognized by both church and state. In certain churches, you cannot remarry, but you can via the state. Don't confuse the two.
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Re: Well first of all, there is a blatant modern attack
Feb 11, 2014, 3:20 PM
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it was created by religion and therefore a religious institution. just because the government recognizes it and borrowed the term doesnt mean it isnt religious.
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Re: Well first of all, there is a blatant modern attack
Feb 11, 2014, 3:42 PM
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It doesn't matter if the government took the term. The fact is a marriage, as viewed by the government, has no religious relation.
That's why it shouldn't be required for your church to perform gay marriages. As a private institution, any church should have the right to marry those who only follow the rules of the religion.
However the government has no connection to any religion and is bound not to give any religion preferential treatment. That's why the term "marriage" having religious origins has zero bearing here.
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There may be people who are attacking Christianity, but you
Feb 10, 2014, 4:39 PM
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are most certainly not being persecuted if you are a Christian. Ask early Christians what persecution means. Donatists are rolling in their graves with all this modern Christian persecution complex. Weanies!
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I didn't say we're being persecuted did I?***
Feb 10, 2014, 5:13 PM
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Well I guess you didn't, but it was a sentiment expressed
Feb 10, 2014, 5:22 PM
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in this thread. I guess I could have been more careful to separate my point from you personally, but I was thinking about the persecution complex in general. That is a very real and common sentiment, from what I gather on TV and the internet.
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And my statement above was that Foxnews promotes victimhood.
Feb 10, 2014, 5:24 PM
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So when you responded contra to that, I assumed you thought Christians were in a state of victimhood.
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No, I used to though. They have become a joke too.
Feb 10, 2014, 9:56 AM
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So people know how to attack me... PBS News Hour, BBC, CFR.org and AL Jazeera are my mainstream news sources, .
Mostly I just watch the local news and buy ammo.
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For the life of me I can't find any .223 anywhere***
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Re: For the life of me I can't find any .223 anywhere***
Feb 10, 2014, 10:02 AM
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Re: Tolerance of homosexuality is me NOT going to gay bars
Feb 10, 2014, 10:00 AM
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I agree that the media is certainly very liberal...however being made aware of something is not being force fed it.
I think most gay people don't care about how they're viewed in the rural parts of the country. Of course you hear a lot of idiots on the TV, because the loudest ones are the ones you hear the most. This goes for the other side too. You don't hear from sensible conservatives for the most part. You hear from the nut jobs like Rush, Sarah Palin, Glen Beck, etc.
I think for the most part, gay rights groups mainly want the right to marry. That's the most important thing.
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Segregation? Heck, there is backing in the Bible for slavery
Feb 10, 2014, 9:45 AM
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If a man sells his daughter as a servant, she is not to go free as menservants do. If she does not please the master who has selected her for himself, he must let her be redeemed.
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Please find it in The Bible where homosexuality is a
Feb 10, 2014, 11:18 AM
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"deviant lifestyle" and is indeed a sin.
Levitican law does not apply to anyone today, so Leviticus 18:22 is irrelevant.
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Oculus Spirit [81897]
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QUICK GET ON GOOGLE AND FIND A MISTRANSLATED
Feb 10, 2014, 11:21 AM
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QUOTATION THAT CAN BE TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT TO APPLY TO YOUR BIGOTED VIEWPOINT!!
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Rock Defender [53]
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Re: QUICK GET ON GOOGLE AND FIND A MISTRANSLATED
Feb 10, 2014, 12:14 PM
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Hey, I think I've almost got an obscure metaphor that may apply. Stay by your computer.
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Rock Defender [53]
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Guess what?
Feb 11, 2014, 2:53 PM
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No one is going to listen to your Bible. How can you say that is that absolute truth? Because the book itself says so? How circular. Doesn't your book also tell you to love one another? Didn't your Jesus reject the company of rich "men of god" and "men of the church" to hang out with a prostitute (Mary), a scamming con artist (Matthew), a highwayman/zealot (Simon), 2 brothers who shared a love for violence and fighting (james and john, the "sons of thunder"), a greed ridden traitor (Judas), and a number a broke fishermen.
How about this one from jesus himself: "You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[a] and hate your enemy.’ But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." From Matthew 5:43-48
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Apparently Strom didn't know the difference between
Feb 10, 2014, 9:29 AM
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"your" and "you're"
He would've been a perfect fit for tnet. Especially on a day like today.
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Re: Apparently Strom didn't know the difference between
Feb 10, 2014, 9:30 AM
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Your wright!
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'88 likes this....***
Feb 10, 2014, 8:50 AM
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Honey,
Feb 10, 2014, 3:24 PM
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you want to sleep on the couch again?
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Didn't Kluwe from Minnesota come out already?
Feb 10, 2014, 9:37 AM
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Plus there's a whole investigation with Aaron Rodgers potentially being gay. Good for him for having the courage to be open about it.
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Really? An investigation? By whom? And why?
Feb 10, 2014, 9:58 AM
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Kluwe supports same-sex marriage. There is an investigation into his allegations that some folks associated with the Vikings attempted to subdue his vocal support of LGBT rights and that he was released for that reason. But why would anyone need to investigate someone's "potential" sexual orientation?
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An investigation is needed so these good Christians
Feb 10, 2014, 10:01 AM
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can figure out if they accept this guy or if he deserves to be hated and banished to he!l for all eternity.
It's important
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Re: An investigation is needed so these good Christians
Feb 10, 2014, 10:10 AM
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haha well said. Hero to heretic in 4.4 seconds! That's an impressive time.
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Re: An investigation is needed so these good Christians
Feb 10, 2014, 10:34 AM
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Got it! I'm glad the good Christians are handling this. Because us bad Christians find acceptance easier than condemnation and don't require investigations of such nature. The world would run amok if we were in charge I suppose.
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Apparently you didn't get the memo
Feb 10, 2014, 10:39 AM
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as Christians we all apparently hate gay people.
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Re: Apparently you didn't get the memo
Feb 10, 2014, 11:06 AM
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Rapists (Roethlisburger), dog killers (Vick), and serial killers (Hernandez) are fine. But please no gays! Gasp!
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Criminals are good to go. Everyone knows that those guys
Feb 10, 2014, 11:10 AM
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will find Jesus in prison.
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Re: Apparently you didn't get the memo
Feb 10, 2014, 11:11 AM
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I did not. I hate haters. Oh wait ... see ... there I go doing it wrong again.
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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That's unfair to some Christians.
Feb 10, 2014, 3:33 PM
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The vocal minority always perverts the heart of public opinion toward a particular group of people. Saying all Christians are like that Westbrook Baptist bunch is like me saying all blacks are disciples of Jessy and Al. All hetrosexuals hate homosexuals. All whites are followers of David Duke and George Wallace and active members of the KKK. All injuns are drunken savages.
Christian means like Christ. Christ had no hate in his heart.
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Re: Missouri star Sam
Feb 10, 2014, 11:04 AM
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Michael Sam's sexual orientation has no effect on how he plays football (clearly.) He's a 6'2" 260 lbs monster on the field once that whistle is blown, whether he likes men or women doesn't matter in the least bit once you strap the pads on. His sexual orientation has no effect on my own personal life so I don't care whether he came out or not. It does not effect me. I understand it took a ton of courage, and I give him that. But don't expect me to picket outside the stadium if my team drafts him. I just hope come September he puts the pads on and hits somebody like all of the other rookies out there ready to prove something.
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Re: Missouri star Sam
Feb 10, 2014, 12:15 PM
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Shhhhh. He's a gay pansy. I could automatically kick his ###.
Lol
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you want to shower with him after a game ? i sure don't.
Feb 10, 2014, 3:08 PM
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they won't allow me to shower with the females after working out, so why is he any different by being allowed to shower with the people he finds attractive ?
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Re: you want to shower with him after a game ? i sure don't.
Feb 11, 2014, 12:37 AM
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Because he is still a man. Who gives a crap if he is gay. You act like he's going to pin you in the corner and rape you, like gay men and women are some kind of animals that will can't control their sexual urges. He could be in to 40 year old harry guys, in which case the players on his team don't need to worry, the posters on this board might though...
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There's a lot of close-minded people on this board.***
Feb 10, 2014, 12:12 PM
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Oculus Spirit [93668]
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Yeah, and he could become the most highly rated free agent.
Feb 10, 2014, 3:23 PM
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He soon moves from a world of political correctness to a world of pure economics. "Coming out," may have cost him millions of dollars, but hey, aren't we all supposed to take one for the team?
I know, ESPiN wouldn't dare lower his future draft ranking for fear of vocal minority backlash but they don't control his fate. Knowing (that's a gerund and worth a point) that no openly gays are playing in the NFL speaks volumes to how the league works, historically speaking.
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