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Sheep and the Goats
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Why do the majority of Conservative Christians in this country completely ignore Matthew 25? According to the Bible, you will receive your "kingdom inheritance" if you help those in need. You will be condemned if you do not help those in need. How does this balance with most MAGA "Christians" who insist on building a wall and telling the impoverished brown Christians to fend for themselves? It seems like these "Christians" have their doubts about being rewarded for following the scripture.
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Seems you could answer all your pressing questions
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by going to church.
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Bible verse dueling = missing context
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Mar 17, 2023, 10:58 PM
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Birmingham, Big Dog, other avowed non-believers, and also many true believers get lost in the ‘Biblical weeds’ when making points and counter points.
We can have sincere faith, do our best to ‘do deeds’ which reflect our deepest sincerity in aspiring to do as we believe Christ would have us do … and will always fall short.
Only Jesus Christ was capable of revealing perfect love, and the circumstances in which God placed Jesus on earth gave Jesus that platform to demonstrate perfect love.
So here goes:
Arguably most of us would willingly sacrifice our own lives in order to save our loved ones. Darn few of us, however, would willingly sacrifice our lives to save the random person that did not arouse special sympathies in us.
Whether Christian or non-Christian … with complete honesty to ourselves … justify NOT sacrificing our own lives if by sacrificing ourselves our absence would impose hardships on our special loved ones.
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If fearful that criminals and drug mules are entering the USA via unsecured borders, then many people will deem it irresponsible to be passive and expose our loved ones to the criminals and the drugs being brought in by unvetted immigrants via the unsecured border.
Voting for border security is the best means to do this for most ‘leaders’ of their family. Giving up a job and volunteering to work at the border is not the best choice, since an in-person presence at home is important for the well-being of the family.
(*) Whom do we choose to protect, and on whom do we turn our backs? The majority of us who recognize this conundrum will choose to protect our ‘special’ loved ones, and to turn away the unvetted immigrants that are crossing the unsecured border.
What made Jesus’ love perfect? God ‘arranged’ for Jesus to have neither spouse nor children. Therefore, when Jesus willingly allowed Himself to be tortured and killed, His sacrifice did not lead to any awful consequences to his (nonexistent) wife or (nonexistent) children. He sacrificed Himself for EVERYONE … children, healthy adults, sick, the almost-dead, politicians, thieves, religious authorities, etc.
(*). None of us can come close to the example of Jesus’ perfect love. We have to choose where and to whom gets ‘the best of our love.’
We pray for forgiveness, and pray for salvation because our ‘deeds’ are inadequate … no matter how hard we try.
(*). Getting lost in Bible verse dueling misses the broader context. I believe it wrong to categorize imperfect choices as examples of hypocrisy.
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Re: Bible verse dueling = missing context
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Mar 18, 2023, 8:12 AM
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Welcome back RememberTheDanny. Hope you've been well. I always enjoy reading your posts. Couple of things...
Number one, I think the whole perfect love of Jesus thing is over played. There are people before and since that have displayed the kind of love that baffles the average human. As an entrepreneur, I stress over my numbers and bottom line and couldn't imagine building a non profit organization that ate up my time and resources for someone else. People that do this amaze me.
Plus, the theology of Jesus death is all backwards thinking. His death was interpreted AFTER he died. Correct me if I'm wrong, but does the Old Testament point to a sacrificial savior? I know christians will try to argue it does, but centuries and centuries of Jews were not looking for this type of savior.
Second, I think BirminghamTiger®'s main issue here, and others who bring up this passage, is the fact that it is secondary to christians, and it seems to contradict the traditional christian doctrine that belief in Jesus is all that's needed to get someone to heaven.
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Re: Bible verse dueling = missing context
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Mar 19, 2023, 3:44 PM
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Thanks for the well wishes. I’m well. How about you?
Perfect love. I agree that there have been stupendously magnificent displays of love that go beyond self-sacrifice for family and loved ones. We’ve read (and some have heard first hand accounts) about a soldier sacrificing himself so that other soldiers or unknown-to-him civilians can be saved.
The circumstances for Jesus to exhibit perfect love required that a decision would not have to be made about whether Jesus would have to choose between taking care (on earth) of His closest human companions -or- saving strangers.
I believe that God arranged the ‘circumstances’ so that Jesus did not have to make this choice. By this circumstance, Jesus’ willingness to face death (his Palm Sunday entrance which He knew would trigger His near-term demise) provided the platform to demonstrate perfect love in front of a large audience.
Again, incredibly brave and loving people who sacrifice themselves for strangers, but by doing so leave their closest loved ones to suffer from the lack of care that they need, are not able to demonstrate perfect love.
God’s purpose for Jesus’ earthly presence, I.e., in the form and frailties of a man, was to make God’s teachings of maximum relevance to other humans. Jesus the man sacrificed Himself to show what God wanted us to understand re: perfect love.
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Theology of Jesus’ death / backwards thinking. I can’t speak for how others learn things, but must admit that I am slow on the uptake about an event that takes place at a given point in time vs. what that event really means to me later. Forget theology for a moment, and indulge me with a personal example. I got fired from my first true ‘commercial’ (e.g., non-technical) job decades ago. My dad, who was also my best friend, had asked me whether I had truly done my best at the job. Reflexively, I told him that, yes, I had done my best. (At that time, while licking my wounds of damaged self-esteem, I had convinced myself that indeed I had truly done my best.). My dad simply said in response ‘fine then, it is only you who can make that determination. It’s no business of mine.’
It wasn’t until a couple years later (early in my career in what turned out to be in service to my current employer) that I realized that I had not done anything close to my best at my previous employer.
Back to theology. Truly, it was not until one of our TNet exchanges that Acts clicked with me. That ‘click’ was long after I had (slowly and erratically) embraced Christianity again.
As for Old Testament (lack of) predictions about a sacrificial savior, I do not believe that the predictions which prophets had learned from God were simply intended to show just how smart God was / is. The Old Testament revealed again and again just how hard it was to get anyone’s attention. The Bible is didactically in its purpose. Its teachings are meant to be optimized for human beings to understand the messages according to their capabilities at the time. Equally important, the messages must be structured so that attention to the salient message is not diluted. The Old Testament lessons were to alert the people that a savior was coming, and to pay attention. Old Testament messaging, were it to reveal that a self-sacrificial savior was coming, would have not been comprehensible to people at that time. Heck, the self-sacrificial savior thing isn’t readily understood by modern humans (including me, until the light bulb finally got bright enough for me to understand). The Savior had to be immortal, flying around and casting lightening bolts, right? An Old Testament spoiler alert would not have been helpful for opening people’s minds to the humble earthly body into which the Savior was to arrive.
To close out this part of the theological discussion, there was no didactical purpose for the Old Testament to reveal that Jesus would die.
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As for Birm’s OP reference, this is where dueling Bible verses really don’t advance the argument one way or the other. Any singular Bible verse may (and does) singularly appear to contradict another singular Bible verse in a way similar to how the English language has individual rules which may appear to contract another singular English language rule.
The word “state” … it is incorrect to capitalization of “state” in some sentences, but capitalization is required to do so in other sentences.
Why is “I’m going to another state” correct, but also “I’m going to the State of Ohio” also correct? More thorough explanations are required to square up the “state”vs “State” contradiction. Those apparently contradictory Biblical passages require much more detailed work, but can be accomplished.
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As far as ‘good deeds are required’ vs ‘no good deeds, only faith is required’ contradictions, I’ll go back to my secular example (I.e., getting canned because I didn’t do my best) story.
When a person truly acquires belief in God and accepts Jesus as “The Way,” that person will naturally want to exhibit her/his reverence for Jesus’ way by acting in the way that she/he ‘thinks Jesus would want.”
Being humans, we will always get something wrong as far as not being truly able to ‘do it is Jesus would do it.’ That know-you’ll-get-it-wrong realization does not mean that it is of no purpose to try and ‘do your best.’ Doing your best to follow the ‘love God and God’s creations’ is the maximum of which we are capable.
(*). IMO, misguided or self-deluded Christians who tout their great deeds as elevating them above those who ‘only’ do lesser deeds are doing themselves a huge disservice. The only standard by which a Christian can self-evaluate their deeds is whether they are doing their best. Lying to themselves won’t work. Bragging (even if done softly and politely) to others is irrelevant.
If the faith truly takes place, then the deeds to which each faithful person is capable of performing will follow thereafter.
Faith is the only sure path to find Heaven.
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Re: Bible verse dueling = missing context
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Mar 20, 2023, 9:00 AM
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As I type this I am getting over an awful bout with strep throat. It could always be worse. So I'm not complaining. Those five little words changed my life btw and they didn't come from the bible  .
Another quote that I love and that changed my perspective on life and that is relevant to our discussion here..."there are worse things than dying." That one comes from one of my favorite movies of all time- Open Range with Robert Duvall and Kevin Costner.
I'll be bold with this statement- Jesus didn't do anything or face anything that every human being that has ever walked the earth doesn't have to face. So what if he was the perfect son of god? To me that would have made it easier.
How many people have had to face death not knowing what was on the other side? Jesus supposedly knew. If I knew 100 percent eternal glory awaited me I would be fearless in the face of death. What makes Jesus' death so special and worthy of such admiration and praise?
Now to the passage that the OP brought up...
Like I've said before, I've been on the other side of these discussions and context is something I've used in defense of many different passages in the bible. Most of the New Testament, particularly the gospels, are vague in their descriptions. "Jesus went here, said this, then he went here" is how a lot of it reads. Some scholars believe there could be weeks or months between one verse and the next. So the context is not always, and I would say more often it is not abundantly clear.
Modern day christians read the bible with what it says and means already in mind. So when they come across a passage like in the OP, they immediately have to get in defensive mode of the belief that faith in Jesus is the only way to heaven.
Ironically, Jesus himself only made this claim ONE time and that was in the gospel of John, a later gospel written possibly a century after his death. And he is quoted in other situations giving a different path to heaven like in the passage in question here. Elsewhere he is quoted telling a rich man he must sell all his possessions and give to the poor to inherit eternal life.
Of course, christians will scream context and that that is not what Jesus really meant, but how do they know what Jesus meant 2000 years ago?
And that's where I've always had trouble believing the bible is relevant for us today. I think it's pretty safe to say that if someone is living in poverty in today's society, especially in America, they are to blame for their situation.
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Building a wall, calling for border security, even
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Jan 16, 2023, 4:07 PM
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being anti-immigration is a secular, political position. There is nothing "unChristian" with this position.
What is ungodly is the racism, fear, anger -- and, for a few GOP govs, exploitation -- that often accompanies this position.
But, if you believe that the State simply cannot handle the financial/social burden that comes with loose immigration policies, but have no issue with immigrants as people, this is not incongruent with the Faith. I will say though that many Christians use the latter as cover for the former, and they are fooling nobody.
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Re: Building a wall, calling for border security, even
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Mar 16, 2023, 11:18 PM
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There's at least a couple of reasons that genealogies are listed in many places in the Bible. Think about it.
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
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Jan 16, 2023, 5:11 PM
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I can't disagree with the sentiment of your post. Philosophically it's an extension of the faith vs. works argument, I think.
On the surface it may seem hypocritical but logically it's completely consistent. If all that is required of one to be called a Christian is faith in the soul-saving power of Jesus, then that's it. Those are the rules. As odd as it seems, works, adhering to Jesus's words, carrying out Jesus's intentions, emulating Jesus, all that stuff, is secondary or perhaps even irrelevant.
It might not be palatable, but if one takes the extreme position that's where it leads to. Faith alone, and nothing else. That seemingly was the position of Paul and most protestant denominations, although James and the RC church seemed to think differently on the matter.
There is the argument that sufficient faith will lead to good works, and so faith and works are two sides of the same coin and inseparable in a sense. Naturally, there are as many opinions as people, and I find it a fascinating where people draw their line and why.
One is bound to find extreme cases even among those who truly believe in their heart. Like this one:
“My feelings as a Christian point me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter.” —Adolf Hitler
If he truly believed, then he was a Christian, by Paul's rules at least. I'm pretty sure he would have failed James's "works" criteria though. So who's interpretation is correct, Paul or James? Faith is required in the interpreters of God's word as much as in God himself. Does one put their faith in Paul, or in James? Good topic.
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
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Jan 16, 2023, 9:41 PM
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If your faith leaves open the possibility that Hitler could be in heaven you should probably abandon it...
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
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Jan 17, 2023, 2:50 PM
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So you're saying this propoganda poster of Hitler as a Crusading Teutonic White Knight might be baloney?
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He was just like most politicians today.
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Jan 22, 2023, 11:02 AM
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Both sides so it's anti-political. They say whatever they believe folks want to hear for power and money. Some, like Hitler may believe what they say if they say it often enough but false claims of God's guidance are common since the garden.
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I don't believe James and Paul disagreed.
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Jan 22, 2023, 10:58 AM
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They were both Hebrew and had the Scripture of the day, the OT. They both knew that Abram believe in God and it was accounted to him for righteousness. Abram's name was changed to Abraham at the time he was promised his seed would become a great nation with a name known by all the world.
How long was it between Abraham receiving the promise by faith and Moses receiving the law? James was addressing the work of the Spirit of God in believers. See fruit of the spirit in Gal chpt 5. Those attributes will show in a man's life. They can't be concealed and are hard to ignore. None of us are perfect or even close to being flawless but love can not be ignored. When someone loves you, you are attracted to them. It's natural and there is nothing you can do to resist.
We don't know who James was admonishing but we know that he was not contradicting the OT Bible or Paul.
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
Jan 16, 2023, 9:40 PM
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I've asked this exact question just how you've phrased it and presented it here to a christian family member. His response was that Jesus was speaking prophetically about the nation of Israel and that "goats" represented nations that treated them poorly throughout history- Egypt, Babylon, etc...
This family member is a pastor and has a bachelors from a conservative bible college. When pressed he didn't really explain how they came to that interpretation.
He's also a Trumpster though. Watches a lot of fox news, boycotted the NFL over the kneeling, won't wear Nike, etc...
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
Jan 24, 2023, 1:06 AM
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That Preacher is correct. That's why genealogy's are prominent in the Scriptures. The sheep are the descendants of Abraham from Adam. The goats are those who aren't. Modern day Jews say they are God's chosen people for a reason.
Jesus himself said he is come to preach salvation to the Lost Sheep of Israel. This angered the Jews who were converted under the Maccabees, from among the Canaanites, Edomites, Ammonites, Moabites, etc. Judas Iscariot was an Edomite, aka Idumean whom Jesus referred to as a devil. They understood what he was telling them when he said the were of their father the devil. They couldn't accept because it meant their conversion was meaningless at worst and made them second class citizens on Earth and in Heaven at best. They thought by having him done away with would change that so they accused him of insurrection against Caesar which if proven carried the death penalty.
Paul's letters were to Israelites who were dispersed in various places. Hence the ethnic and place name titles of most of his letters. Hebrews was for all Israelites and Jews everywhere. Romans to the Israelites at Rome and the Empire in general. Phillipians a community of Israelites from the city of Phillipi, Corinthians, a community of Israelites living in the city of Corinth, Galatians etc.
James' admonition is to demonstrate your faith through good works towards a brother, a member of the family who is a believer in Christ, those who had recognized their Messiah and therefore proven their pedigree. This is not to say they should oppress others but the flock of other sheep definitely gets precedent over goats.
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
Feb 4, 2023, 12:02 PM
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Why does he talk about the poor though and visiting people in prison?
What does that have to do with the Israelites?
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
Mar 24, 2023, 11:59 PM
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Sorry to have taken so long to reply. I never re- visited this thread after I made a couple of posts that nobody responded to. Thanks for your question.
Look at it this way. Sat your a member of a church congregation. You find out one of the members for whatever reason violated the law in a manner that carried a prison term. As a Christian you have a duty to support them by visiting them in prison so they don't lose their faith and fall further from grace. They may be Innocent, if not they may be truly remorseful and repentant and want to return to faithful living. Even if they are neither you are to visit them to encourage them to repent so that when they have served their time they can be restored to fellowship with God and their righteous brothers. That is if you love your brother. That's what Jesus was talking about. He wasn't saying to go to prisons and try to comfort random individuals although you have the freedom to do that if you wish.
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
Mar 25, 2023, 8:55 AM
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Ok, but what I'm trying to figure out here, is how Jesus relates this to the afterlife, and who goes to heaven and who goes to hell.
He specifically says that these sheep will go to heaven, and these goats will go to hell.
And they are separated into each category based on how they treat the poor.
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Jan 17, 2023, 11:37 AM
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Neither Jesus, His Apostles nor the first churches were involved in politics. Their only offense to Rome was that they worshiped The One True God and refuse Caesar as god.
I can not speak for Christians in general but only for myself. God delivered me from politics. For any Christians who are involved in politics I can say this: Reading the Bible will benefit you much more than reading Gateway Pundit or the New York Times; Looking toward God will enrich your soul where looking at Fox News or CNN fails: Praying for those on both sides of politics will benefit them more than opposing one or the other; God can cause you to love, politics will fail because it creates division, strife and hatred.
Politics can ruin a Christian's fellowship with God. Jesus told His disciples to let the dead bury their dead. By that He meant we have other fish to fry. I'm not suggesting that those who spend time on politics are dead but politics can prevent God's Children from living an abundant life. Imo, politics is poison and will numb a man's soul.
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
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Jan 17, 2023, 7:05 PM
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Why do the majority of Conservative Christians in this country completely ignore Matthew 25? According to the Bible, you will receive your "kingdom inheritance" if you help those in need. You will be condemned if you do not help those in need. How does this balance with most MAGA "Christians" who insist on building a wall and telling the impoverished brown Christians to fend for themselves? It seems like these "Christians" have their doubts about being rewarded for following the scripture.
Ask the Pope, they have a huge wall around the Vatican.
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I don’t need government to do my charity work.
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Jan 17, 2023, 7:24 PM
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Governments primary responsibility is security.
For the record, I feel great about my tithing and personal charitable activities.
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Was MAtthew 25 speaking to government folk
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Jan 17, 2023, 8:26 PM
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or regular folk? I'm confused on what you after here... maybe you think Government should be Christian oriented?
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Re: Was MAtthew 25 speaking to government folk
Jan 19, 2023, 8:28 AM
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Well that seems to be what most republicans want when it comes to issues like abortion and gay marriage.
When it comes to helping your neighbor though the words of Jesus go straight out the window...
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Re: Was MAtthew 25 speaking to government folk
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Jan 21, 2023, 8:02 PM
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OK...so we playing "Dodge the Question" now?
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Re: Was MAtthew 25 speaking to government folk
Jan 22, 2023, 8:53 AM
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You're the one that dodged the OP's question.
"When an alien lives with you in your land, do not mistreat him. The
stranger who lives as a foreigner with you shall be to you as the native-born among you, and you
shall love him as yourself; for you lived as foreigners in the land of Egypt."
Key part of this verse: "shall be as the native born"
Somehow that has turned into "as long as you come in legally I'll treat you like you belong"
The vast majority of those people are fleeing violence and poverty, and ironically it's the conservative christian bible thumpers that won't to keep them out.
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Re: Was MAtthew 25 speaking to government folk
Jan 22, 2023, 4:59 PM
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Can't one be nice to an illegal alien and turn them into law enforcement at the same time? Do i aid and abet only or also stand by the laws of the land?
Also, the verses you reference are NOT in Matthew 25.
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Jan 22, 2023, 7:45 AM
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blesses them to be able to do for others on facebook, twitter or the local paper. You have no idea what the average Christian does in obedience to God and probably have no idea the things He ask Christians to do for others.
If we did some would say we did it only to show ourselves righteous to men. You'd be correct.
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Re: Christians don't typically post the the things which God...
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The body of christ as a whole is not known for the gentleness and compassion that Jesus was. At least not here in the bible belt of america.
Not long ago I was standing in the back of a church chatting with the pastor. There was a rough looking guy that walked in and sat on the back pew. He was clearly in distress, probably homeless. The pastor turned around and the first thing he said to the guy was "I'm gonna have to ask you to remove that hat."
I thought wow. Is that what Jesus would have said? As the pastor of the church you're more concerned with a hat on someone's head than welcoming someone that clearly needs help into your church.
This is a perfect example of how the church operates today. They are more concerned with how people dress and what kind of music gets played than actually reaching what they call the lost.
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A church is not representative of The Church.
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Jan 22, 2023, 10:40 AM
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The Church is the body of Christ. I doubt the reigning body of the average church is dominated by the born again.
I could say most black people belong in prison if I only examined the populations of a few prisons because most prisons primarily hold minorities. I know that's a shame but it's not the point.
I intented to point out how obvious your contentions are. You have a small sample of those claiming to be believers but without the guidance and testimony of the Holy Spirit a man has no way who to know if another is saved. He seems to only share who is lost when I follow His instructions and witness to them.
When that happens I can evaluate their spiritual condition by what He puts on my heart to share with them. You and I both know you may suspect someone of being born again but you have no mechanism with which to know.
I understand you're sharing things which discourage and dissuade you from giving it up to God. I believe God is going to work through this with you. I know He loves you because that's why I love you. You can make it easy or you can make it hard. It's up to you but I'll tell you this.
He loves you more than you love yourself.
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A troll question requires a defense of a position
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Jan 18, 2023, 3:41 AM
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no one holds. Enforcing an automatic claim, on demand, on one's resources is nobody's definition of compassion. Questioning an open border policy is neither lack of compassion nor maga. But you know that.
I would be interested in hearing a sincere defense of an open border, or even of just allowing in the 2.75 million illegals that presented themselves in 2022 (that doesnt include the maybe 1 million that made it by undetected). Maybe it's a workable idea. I wouldn't think so, but who knows.
If instead, the issue is the concerns of central America, one can propose methods and cost of addressing those: personal examples of one's efforts would be helpful as evidence. Or if one has an idea for stopping the flow of fentanyl and slaves into the US, one can propose that.
But we know you were asking a troll question. So you maybe dont know anything about any of that. What is it you really want to know?
Message was edited by: CUintulsa®
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Re: A troll question requires a defense of a position
Feb 2, 2023, 7:47 AM
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It's a "troll" question because it exposes the complete hypocrisy that permeates the Christian community today. The scripture is quite clear, and today's Christian conservatives obviously do not have faith that they will be rewarded by sitting at the right hand of God. And you wonder why the percent of Americans who identify as Christian continues to drop. You have to actually walk the walk and not just talk the talk. You can get mad at me all you want, but the scripture is clear and a very large percentage of today's Christians are merely delivering lip service.
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
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Jan 20, 2023, 6:01 AM
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How can you possibly know what the majority of Christians (or any group for that matter) does or thinks?
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
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Jan 24, 2023, 1:15 AM
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You're sophmoric.
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
Feb 4, 2023, 11:52 AM
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Get mad all you want, but he is 100% accurate. Trump is the most embarrassing thing to happen to Conservative Christians.
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
Feb 4, 2023, 12:07 PM
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Most of the people in my circle of family and friends are far right wing conservatives. They actually believe that democrats are possessed by satan and leading us towards the end of times.
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Our churches are filled with hypocrites.
Feb 4, 2023, 3:58 PM
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No one who knows God thinks Trump is a Christian. He didn't fool any of us. It appears he did things our 'Christian leaders,' refused to do. SCOTUS noms turned out to be very satisfying to Christians.
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Re: Sheep and the Goats
Mar 24, 2023, 11:43 PM
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It's simple although many may not be aware of what drives them. It's an innate knowledge. White Christians are descendants of Adam, Noah, and Abraham etc. (The Sheep). People of other hues are the goats.
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