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Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment?
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Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment?


Apr 15, 2021, 5:51 PM

I have recently taken up the Hobby of amateur Audiofile and have been testing various equipment with my large sums of disposable income.

Lately, I find myself drawn to Huey Lewis. Their early work was a little too new wave for my tastes, but when Sports came out in '83, I think they really came into their own, commercially and artistically. The whole album has a clear, crisp sound, and a new sheen of consummate professionalism that really gives the songs a big boost.

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Apr 15, 2021, 5:53 PM



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please replace the cheese,


Apr 15, 2021, 5:55 PM

thanks.

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Apr 15, 2021, 6:04 PM



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Re: Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment?


Apr 15, 2021, 6:01 PM

McIntosh makes even Huey Lewis sound good.

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"Anybody that says Coach Brownell is the best coach to come through Clemson is going to start an argument." -JP Hall


Had the first "4-channel" Marantz ever made... Traded it for an


Apr 15, 2021, 7:56 PM

overnight clandestine ride to Tahoe... It was sweet.

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Apr 15, 2021, 8:40 PM [ in reply to Re: Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment? ]

built a dynakit amp(30-40? watts),AR-3 speakers,and a garrard turntable.used that little system to shake the walls of D-603 back in the day.had a decent sound,especially with headphones which is probably why i'm half deaf today.

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Apr 18, 2021, 4:29 PM

My first piece of "better" gear was a Garrard turntable a solider shipping back to the States gave me. They are making those now in a replica of those in the 60's -- they cost $3K.

I have always wanted a pair of AR3 as in the day super hero Travis MeGee had those in the books.

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great band - love “maneater”


Apr 15, 2021, 6:04 PM

really catchy

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I for one am glad you are stopping. You are one of the most ignorant posters ever. You obviously think very highly of your own opinion, unlike the rest of us - RockHillTiger


We had a guy just like you at my first job in the


Apr 15, 2021, 6:58 PM

chemical industry. His nickname (that we gave him) was "Space Cadet". And, trust me, it had NOTHING to do with Nasa. :)

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nothing sounds as good as a panosonic 8-Track


Apr 15, 2021, 7:23 PM

every track sounds better with a fade-down, CLUNK TRACK CHANGE, fade-back-up in the middle

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Re: Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment?


Apr 15, 2021, 7:42 PM

I have too much invested, mostly from Bob Carver and McIntosh.
I am not an audiophile, more of an audio nut.

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Still have an original model Technics 1200 turntable...


Apr 15, 2021, 8:00 PM

Unfortunately, it pretty much sits dormant. Much of my vinyl was raided by past roommates years ago...

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Or you Huey or Weird Al?


Apr 15, 2021, 9:25 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fk15H6PjBis

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Oops, I meant "Are you ..."


Apr 15, 2021, 9:25 PM

nm

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Apr 15, 2021, 9:33 PM

sports is good, I have it on vinyl but I really like Alan Parson's i robot to show off my Snell E IVs .

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Apr 15, 2021, 9:40 PM
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I have these McIntosh speakers, girl did not arrive with them.

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Apr 16, 2021, 1:26 AM

the imaging must be terrible on those.

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Why was she delayed?


Apr 16, 2021, 11:44 AM [ in reply to Re: Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment? ]

I mean, she is obviously there in the photo you took.

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Apr 16, 2021, 8:55 AM [ in reply to Re: Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment? ]

Does a Clarion stereo repurposed from my ‘79 Chevette count as a home high fidelity system? I’m pretty sure they only used top shelf transistors back in those days. The 6x9 Pioneer speakers adapted nicely into their cardboard box enclosures. This has to be the finest stereo ever heard in a basement workshop.

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Apr 15, 2021, 10:02 PM

I think their undisputed masterpiece is "Hip To Be Square". A song so catchy, most people probably don't listen to the lyrics. But they should, because it's not just about the pleasures of conformity and the importance of trends.

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Well, l have a Marantz 2230 receiver and Dual 1228 turntable


Apr 15, 2021, 10:48 PM

with two big Bose speakers, and over 400 vinyl albums(mostly 1966-76), but rarely turn 'em on! Listen to most of my music from Spotify through my dual Amazon Echo speakers! It's just too easy!!

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Re: Well, l have a Marantz 2230 receiver and Dual 1228 turntable


Apr 15, 2021, 11:54 PM

Today a Linn Axis turntable is, and always has been (perhaps) the best. The AR belt drive (manual) back in the day was the standard of excellence. The stylus used was always a question - Audio Technica, Shure, etc., or even a "Gold Bug" (which sold for about $5,000 many yrs. ago). Many great alternatives. The question still regards "tube" vs. "transistor" amplifiers - McIntosh, Audio Research, Cary Audio, etc., vs. Sherwood, Denon (also a great turntable), Kenwood, Marantz, but especially Adcom power amps and pre-amps that provide incredible specs and the "head room" to satisfy the great dynamic range of digital recordings that tube amps typically lack. But "tube" is hard to beat in sound quality - warmth, depth, mellowness and the "shape" of the music. Regarding speakers, Klipschorn simply has no equal.

Just a quick response to an issue once dear to my heart...

Go Tigers!!!

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My setup back in my "audiopile" days was pretty


Apr 16, 2021, 8:36 AM

impressive, from a sound AND pocketbook standpoint.

Phase Linear 4000 rack mounted Preamplifier
Phase Linear 400 rack mounted Power Amplifier
Yamaha rack mounted Tuner (forget the model)
Pioneer Rack Mountable Cassette Deck
Technics Turntable, Shure V-15 cartridge

and, the "Coupe de Grass"

Ohm F (Original Type) floor standing speakers. These were 5 ohm speakers, so that Phase Linear was pumping out an ear shattering 321 watts rms per channel. Those speakers were not very power efficient, but I have yet to this day to hear their sonic equal. I literally almost shed tears when they eventually died from cone failure. The only setup I ever heard that came close was at an Audiophile stereo equipment store in Andersen, SC back in the day named John Brookshire's Music Machine. They had a set of the large Dahlquists with an Ohm subwoofer, and, I believe, some model of a Marantz preamp and a Crown Dreadnaught 1000 power amp pushing them, with the vinyl being played on a Beogram 9000 turntable. (A friend of mine still has one of those Beograms. I have tried to pry it loose from his a few times with no success!)

I NOW have the modern version of the OHM F's, which cost a truly OBSCENE amount of money, but they are just not as mind blowing as the originals. They ARE a lot more efficient on power usage, though.

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Apr 16, 2021, 5:21 PM

OhmF was always an impressive looking speaker to me. I can't say I ever heard one . but I wanted a set :)

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If you watch the Amazon series "Bosch" closely, the


Apr 17, 2021, 8:00 PM

scenes in his house show he has a set of the newer Ohm F's. He listens to jazz on them. :)

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Re: My setup back in my "audiopile" days was pretty


Apr 18, 2021, 4:31 PM [ in reply to My setup back in my "audiopile" days was pretty ]

My audio hero Bob Carver is a fan of Phase Linear.

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Re: My setup back in my "audiopile" days was pretty


Apr 18, 2021, 10:40 PM

You are kidding, right? Or do you not actually know that Bob Carver designed the Phase Linear equipment I had before going out on his own later?

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very nice amp


Apr 16, 2021, 1:37 AM [ in reply to Well, l have a Marantz 2230 receiver and Dual 1228 turntable ]

pro tip, Bose has not developed a decent loudspeaker speaker in 3 decades, probably what you have, but a shame to not pair that warm fuzzy Marantz with a nice bright speaker with top-notch speed and detail retrieval.. I think you can still find some Chinese 901 knock-offs, but why bother when you can get Magnetic Planars these days for 1/10th of what they cost when Bose decided to dump its entire R&D budget into advertising? KEF and Martin Logan have some nice offerings that would bring the life out of your old vinyl recordings and not break the bank. Just order from a company that has a liberal return policy, and most hi end resellers do, just in case they are not your cup of tea. Some people complain there is too much detail, and they can hear every little mistake in the recording. That is because they listen to shiddy music that was poorly engineered.

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Apr 16, 2021, 8:15 AM



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Apr 16, 2021, 12:07 PM

well, we went through a period in the 80s 90, and 2000s where audio equipment sucked. Sure the hi end stuff was good. Anything built back then will stand the test of time, just throw some new tubes in it and will probably sound like the day you bought it.

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Apr 16, 2021, 5:26 PM

My Marantz power amp was heavy as crap :) You felt like you owned something.

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Apr 17, 2021, 10:47 AM

that is the great thing about tube amps, they last forever with very little maintenance. And anything made before 1980 in this country was quality. We started importing cheap crap in the 80's and audio engineers followed suit by mastering recordings to sound good on a pair of sony walkmans and shiddy boom boxes. But that was mostly pop and new wave targeted at younger listeners. these recordings will make your ears bleed on sensitive equipment, which is why that little puppy of yours is very desirable these days.

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Apr 18, 2021, 4:34 PM

Yeah, most don't know and have never heard Hi Fidelity.

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Re: very nice amp


Apr 18, 2021, 4:33 PM [ in reply to very nice amp ]

I agree, sorta. Bose gear can sound great, but it is way over priced when compared to others.

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Accidentally walked in your room!


Apr 16, 2021, 12:02 AM

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Several reputable T-Netters told me


Apr 16, 2021, 7:16 AM

That you obtained your large sums of disposable income by reading Lesko's Free Government Money publication. Do you still have a copy? I used up all of my Publishers Clearing House credits on a subscription to "I Love Cats"

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Re: Several reputable T-Netters told me


Apr 16, 2021, 5:45 PM

Is that the book that has the guy in the suit with all the question marks and his finger pointed in the air?, if yes, I keep that in my nightstand by my bottle of Fentinyl.

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Yes it is


Apr 18, 2021, 9:19 PM

That is a very astute move on your part. The constipation from the fentanyl keeps you in the bathroom longer. That and the resulting confusion is clearly why you have made so much disposable income. Tip of the cap to you.

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Apr 16, 2021, 9:43 AM

My dog is like a natural cash disposal machine...I can give you his Venmo if you needs some help with cash disposal. He be happy to help

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Sorry...


Apr 16, 2021, 9:48 AM

I don't listen to that station.

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Re: Sorry...


Apr 18, 2021, 9:22 PM

What is even with you bra? Always do negative. Super sus...

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Apr 16, 2021, 10:27 AM

"See this system here? This is Hi-Fi... high fidelity. What that means is that it's the highest quality fidelity."

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Not to brag, but I have a set of Sparkomatic


Apr 16, 2021, 3:34 PM

Speakers in my Chevy Monza

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Apr 16, 2021, 7:26 PM
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TigerBalm1 said -
"I have recently taken up the Hobby of amateur Audiofile and have been testing various equipment with my large sums of disposable income."

I have been into that hobby for a few years. It is fun.
All sound is not equal. Searching for better sound is a hobby.
To be honest, my ears are less now due to loud concerts and Artillery fire.

Enviroment means every thing. I might spend a million $ but can never get music as exciting as that coming over my the tiny speaker in my VW Beatle at a Drive Inn Movie with my girl (any girl).

I also collect music. I have more than most -- thousand LPs, 1500 CDs, 80,000 digital files. I don't collect junk tunes, just things I like. Too be honest know little as to tunes and artist of this century. My LP collection goes back to the days of ripping off audio clubs (who tried to rip us off) when a student at Clemson.
The deal in a sound system is improving the weakest link. That is where you upgrade. The needle on my record player is worth more than my Jeep.
There are years of audio posts from guys who are real audiophiles(not me) on my forum - YardCrap, all are welcome.
Better sound is a fun hobby.

Here is my main system in my RedNeck Bar:

McIntosh XRT28 Speakers
Def Tech SuperCube Reference Subwoofer
SunFire 600X2 (2 used as mono amps)
Sunfire Classic Vaccum Tube Preamp
Pro-ject Tube Box SE II phono amp
Custom Rega TT/ with external quartz power supply
Def Tech STS Super Tower Speakers
Carver mono block Tube amps
Sony 400 CD Changer
XX Power Conditioner
Other accessories

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Apr 16, 2021, 7:36 PM

To be honest, I mostly play tunes on my porch. I am on the porch often, like now as I type this and Lynyrd Skynyrd plays. I have changed things in and out for 20 years as to this system. Retail of my porch system as of today is maybe $9k (much less than my RedNeck Bar system). I buy used, so pay much less ...?
I don't have it set up to play the yard, just to my chair. TigerBalm1 mentioned "imaging", have some on the porch but after one beer over the line can put waves on the lake.
Out here have Gallo Speakers (not outdoor speakers), Benchmark DAC, audio computer, 1200 watt sub, and a Sunfire 5 channel amp I bi-amp to stereo.

I hope posting the gear I have assembled over decades does not get me more down votes, as any more and I might be deleted.
The deal is not to buy a system, but over years to have fun improving it. Not many folks give a hoot in hell as to stereo these days. I understand it is a hobby and not important.

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Apr 16, 2021, 7:54 PM

I have two rigs. A 1988 Carver reciever paired with 1985 3D Acoustics satellite speakers with subwoffer and a 20+ year old Sony CD player in one room, ln the other room, a 1975 Marantz 4300 paired with 1998 Linn Tukan speakers and a 1980 Techniks direct drive turntable for my vinyl pleasure. Both pretty sweet, my neighbors will confirm.
Except for the Marantz, bought it all new.
As a public service announcement, for you audiophiles, there is a guy named Albie who owns Cherry Vintage Audio on Rutherford St in Greenville, he has bada$$ pristine equipment reasonably priced. Appointment only. Go visit, you will love it. Not many places like Cherry anymore. Nothing you can buy today compares to the old stuff.

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For any wanting "better" audio, right now on ebay is a rare 425 Sunfire. For stereo or even 5 channel it would be very difficult to find better at any price.
This amp can handle most anything and is "musical". It is Bob Carver.
You can get more for it next year as Carver values increase.


The price is reasonable. I want to buy it but have more gear than I can use including a couple of these.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/324572862125?ul_noapp=true

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Apr 16, 2021, 7:54 PM

I have two rigs. A 1988 Carver reciever paired with 1985 3D Acoustics satellite speakers with subwoffer and a 20+ year old Sony CD player in one room, ln the other room, a 1975 Marantz 4300 paired with 1998 Linn Tukan speakers and a 1980 Techniks direct drive turntable for my vinyl pleasure. Both pretty sweet, my neighbors will confirm.
Except for the Marantz, bought it all new.
As a public service announcement, for you audiophiles, there is a guy named Albie who owns Cherry Vintage Audio on Rutherford St in Greenville, he has bada$$ pristine equipment reasonably priced. Appointment only. Go visit, you will love it. Not many places like Cherry anymore. Nothing you can buy today compares to the old stuff.

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Apr 16, 2021, 7:54 PM

I have two rigs. A 1988 Carver reciever paired with 1985 3D Acoustics satellite speakers with subwoffer and a 20+ year old Sony CD player in one room, ln the other room, a 1975 Marantz 4300 paired with 1998 Linn Tukan speakers and a 1980 Techniks direct drive turntable for my vinyl pleasure. Both pretty sweet, my neighbors will confirm.
Except for the Marantz, bought it all new.
As a public service announcement, for you audiophiles, there is a guy named Albie who owns Cherry Vintage Audio on Rutherford St in Greenville, he has bada$$ pristine equipment reasonably priced. Appointment only. Go visit, you will love it. Not many places like Cherry anymore. Nothing you can buy today compares to the old stuff.

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Apr 17, 2021, 7:44 PM

If you want hi fidelity, you need to stick to vinyl.......OLD vinyl. You’ll find lots of new pressings of classic albums out there, just know that most of them were made from digital masters. It’s simply more economical. Let’s take The Rolling Stones “Sticky Fingers” for example. There’s one master copy. It’s made of brass. It would take a lot of time to re-press new records from that single master like the way they had to in 1971.

Now the problem with digital recordings.... Speaking as one who was a career radar guy in the navy, I can describe to you in general terms what happens when you create a digital impression of an analog signal. You’re taking an analog signal that flowed smoothly and dissecting it into very tiny segments. Then replacing each little segment with a signal that’s either on or off. It no longer flows smooth. In fact if you were to look at the digital representation delayed out on an oscilloscope, it looks nothing like a sine wave at all anymore. It looks herky-jerky stepped.

You’ve lost some of the original analog signal that was there on the magnetic recording and replaced it with a reasonable facsimile. That’s why people will tell you original vinyl recordings just sound “fuller” to their ear.

As for tubes verses solid state, the amplification theory is pretty much the same. Solid state devices (transistors) are durable and super cheap to make but they lack in the ability to push high power the way tubes can. We still use tubes today for all sorts of high power applications. Radars would be one of those. Your microwave oven would be another. What’s in there isn’t glass, it’s actually steel. It’s called a magnetron tube.

You can couple stage upon stage upon stage of solid state devices to achieve high output. One problem you’ll run into is the harder you have to drive it, the more inherent noise you’re also going to see amplified on the output. Tubes will put out high power without having to drive them as hard.

A good analogy I like to use is an automotive one. A 1973 Chevy Vega and a 1973 Chevy Corvette will both do 75 mph down the highway. One is going to rattle like it’s about to come apart and the other has barely goten it’s horses to a gallup.

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Apr 18, 2021, 4:23 PM

I agree with most you posted, good post.
Most don't seek Hi Fidelity, in fact most use ear buds and low bit mp3.

Entertaining music does not have to be Hi Fidelity, but I prefer that, less can irritate me unles the beer is cold.
You mention digital and analog devices. To hear any real difference, a Hi Fidelity system is required. Not one good item but a system. Most are not interested enough in tunes to acquire that. You can't just go to a store and buy a system. It takes hands(ears) on and time to assemble a decent system. The cheapest way to better audio is a decent pair of headphones and a decent player, say around $1k for both. I prefer speakers.

I have over 1K "OLD vinyl". My Beatles collection may be worth more than my house. My favorite LPs are my TAMS albums. I have a lot of old ROCK and a lot of JAZZ.

One difference "back then" was "stereo" which is rarely pressed or recorded now. Stereo is not the end all, but is entertaining. Mono can sound good, as can the mix done today. In the day most albums were recorded in mono.
Most old LPs were recorded to analog tape, many of those tapes still exist. A really fun example of a remix is Paul McCartney doing a remix 33 years later of Phil Spector's album 'LET IT BE'.

One deal with vynl is you MUST have a record cleaner (vacuum is best). Some cost thousands, mine is only about $500. Even a new out of the wrapper record sounds better after washing. You must have a record cleaner if you play LPs.

I agree that an LP over a decent system sounds better than a CD in the same system, but a CD or digital file can also sound excellent. A casual listener would hear no difference.

Back "when" all amps were tube. Then all became solid state. Now tubes are the "IN" thing.
I have tube amps, tube preamps, tube phono amps. I like them. They look great! I also have solid state.
For most solid state is the best choice. It is cheaper and sounds great. At the same volume, most will hear no difference.
I could never afford enough tubes to open up my main speakers. At 4ohms run 2400 watts to each.
Less demanding speakers can sound great with a 2X20 watt tube amp.
One trade off is to mix using solid state amps and tube preamps.

One thing as to tubes is guys who swear by NOS tubes (old rare crap). I have many friends who do. I don't . I believe a well made tube does not need to be from WW11. You can pay thousands for a set of old rare tubes or less for modern well made tubes. "Tube rolling" is a hobby in itself for many. I believe the placebo effect is going on with much of this.

One thing not covered so far is the DAC (digital to analog converter). 99% play digital tunes. A huge deal as to sound is converting the digital back to analog. A DAC can be cheap, the $20 tune player from Walmart has one inside. Some audiophiles pay $10K for one. For better digital playback, you need the best DAC you can afford. The good thing is you now get a lot more bang for your buck than even 5 years ago. The DAC on my porch I am with now retailed at $1800 ten years ago. Equal or better now is maybe $500.

No one piece of gear will give you great sound. The deal is to improve the weakest link in your system. Find speakers you like to hear and start from there. Speakers are the big deal.
Most people can improve their present system a lot with no $$ added just by learning how to set it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOrZEreKB8Q

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Apr 18, 2021, 9:00 PM

getting good sound equipment definitely changed my listening habits. I find half the stuff I used to like was so poorly recorded it becomes intolerable, so I seek out tracks that were properly recorded and tickle my senses. I get goosebump sat times when I really hear a track for the first time and get a true impression of the singer's voice, or discover all of the little nuances lost on consumer grade equipment.

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On your next fishing expedition


Apr 18, 2021, 9:26 PM

I would appreciate an invite because this one was quite the haul lol ??

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Apr 19, 2021, 1:13 PM [ in reply to Re: Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment? ]


I agree with most you posted, good post.
Most don't seek Hi Fidelity, in fact most use ear buds and low bit mp3.

Entertaining music does not have to be Hi Fidelity, but I prefer that, less can irritate me unles the beer is cold.
You mention digital and analog devices. To hear any real difference, a Hi Fidelity system is required. Not one good item but a system. Most are not interested enough in tunes to acquire that. You can't just go to a store and buy a system. It takes hands(ears) on and time to assemble a decent system. The cheapest way to better audio is a decent pair of headphones and a decent player, say around $1k for both. I prefer speakers.

I have over 1K "OLD vinyl". My Beatles collection may be worth more than my house. My favorite LPs are my TAMS albums. I have a lot of old ROCK and a lot of JAZZ.

One difference "back then" was "stereo" which is rarely pressed or recorded now. Stereo is not the end all, but is entertaining. Mono can sound good, as can the mix done today. In the day most albums were recorded in mono.
Most old LPs were recorded to analog tape, many of those tapes still exist. A really fun example of a remix is Paul McCartney doing a remix 33 years later of Phil Spector's album 'LET IT BE'.

One deal with vynl is you MUST have a record cleaner (vacuum is best). Some cost thousands, mine is only about $500. Even a new out of the wrapper record sounds better after washing. You must have a record cleaner if you play LPs.

I agree that an LP over a decent system sounds better than a CD in the same system, but a CD or digital file can also sound excellent. A casual listener would hear no difference.

Back "when" all amps were tube. Then all became solid state. Now tubes are the "IN" thing.
I have tube amps, tube preamps, tube phono amps. I like them. They look great! I also have solid state.
For most solid state is the best choice. It is cheaper and sounds great. At the same volume, most will hear no difference.
I could never afford enough tubes to open up my main speakers. At 4ohms run 2400 watts to each.
Less demanding speakers can sound great with a 2X20 watt tube amp.
One trade off is to mix using solid state amps and tube preamps.

One thing as to tubes is guys who swear by NOS tubes (old rare crap). I have many friends who do. I don't . I believe a well made tube does not need to be from WW11. You can pay thousands for a set of old rare tubes or less for modern well made tubes. "Tube rolling" is a hobby in itself for many. I believe the placebo effect is going on with much of this.

One thing not covered so far is the DAC (digital to analog converter). 99% play digital tunes. A huge deal as to sound is converting the digital back to analog. A DAC can be cheap, the $20 tune player from Walmart has one inside. Some audiophiles pay $10K for one. For better digital playback, you need the best DAC you can afford. The good thing is you now get a lot more bang for your buck than even 5 years ago. The DAC on my porch I am with now retailed at $1800 ten years ago. Equal or better now is maybe $500.

No one piece of gear will give you great sound. The deal is to improve the weakest link in your system. Find speakers you like to hear and start from there. Speakers are the big deal.
Most people can improve their present system a lot with no $$ added just by learning how to set it up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BOrZEreKB8Q


I just can’t buy into any digital to analog conversion as being on par with the original analog signal. And that’s what music is......analog. From a pure physics standpoint, it isn’t possible. You can get close, so close the average listener might not discern. Or maybe the average listener hasn’t experienced the real thing so they may not realize it can get better. Or perhaps those listeners who grew up after the video age killed off rock and roll and rhythm and blues, they’re simply not accustomed to hearing what instruments and great vocals sound like....

But you can’t go back and add something in that you’ve already scrapped. We’re talking about frequencies that are continuously varying. Again, flowing smoothly as they transition up and down. Digital requires you to use electronic signals to create a representation of that variance in frequency and those electronic signals are either on or off......positive or negative.........one or zero. There is no more variance.

In high fidelity’s audio files (which have never been altered) you hear Ann Wilson’s voice in finer detail as she wails, “Crucify—— me” (Heartless 1978). You also hear Roger Fisher’s lead guitar with more clarity.

In digitally altered files it sounds close. And you may not even notice the subtle differences. .....Unless you have a way to hear it on all it’s original glory.


Think of this analogy. In the color spectrum you can take red, add in yellow and you’ll get orange. If you continuously poured in yellow you’d get a continuously varying shade of orange. If you had a machine which periodically squirted in preset amounts of yellow, you’d get different shades of orange as well. But it wouldn’t be continuously varying shades.

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Re: Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment?


Apr 18, 2021, 8:44 PM

I guess maybe I diverted this great thread from Tigerbalm1 into ###.
I apologize.
Better Audio is a long time hobby for me and a few others even though my old ears are less after too many concerts at the stage and too many nights releasing Artillery fire for hours. Back then we had no ear protection. I can still hear. To detect the difference in minor audio variables requires an excellent system (not just a decent one). It requires one to sit in the "sweet spot" and concentrate.
Can audiophiles hear a difference? Yes. I made a blind test CD using different bit rates and mailed it out. Some were 100%

I prefer to just turn up the volume and grab another beer. You can't really enjoy the tunes if you are seeking things like perfect imaging.
A decent system will sound good and entertain. If you want to dwell on tubes or digital or ###, that too is great fun, but is a hobby just a few of us enjoy.

Like most any subject no one agrees on everything or anything. We can and will disagree, and over beer have fun as to to it all.
Better audio is a nerd type hobby so ~~~?

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Re: Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment?


Apr 18, 2021, 9:02 PM

no worries, appreciate your posts. I am actually just getting back into Hi fi equipment. I had a nice home theatre about 10 years ago but sold it when I moved back east. Nothing like those beasties you linked.

for now these are my babies, they have about 400 hours on them and are sounding sweeter and sweeter by the day. I need a batter amp for them, I am sick of havng to screw with my preamp every other track. My lord, they are detailed and can expose a bad artist and or recording, and a good recording wil raise every hair on your body. These definitely entertain, but just avoid anything mastered for crappy equipment. did I tell you they are fast?


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Re: Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment?


Apr 18, 2021, 9:54 PM

Most only dream as to those headphones.
I have the Sennheiser HD 700 which are good. On the porch prefer speakers.

The deal is always "weakest link". If you have incredible headphones hooked to less, it is $$ wasted.

I suspect like me you mostly play digital.

The deal for headphones is that no expensive speakers or amps are needed.
Something like a Benchmark DAC/PRE can double as a whole system preamp.
https://benchmarkmedia.com/collections/headphone-amplifiers

It can open up those great headphones.

A better music player like FiiO for $400 can make a huge different with top end headphones and needs no preamp.

It is always the system, not one piece of gear.

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Re: Are any other Tiger Fans into Hi Fidelity Audio Equipment?


Apr 18, 2021, 10:12 PM

these were an upgrade from the old pair of Sennheiser 518s, A surprisingly good open back that needs no amplification. But, Yeah, these require a ton of power, I am sourcing from spotify or youtube, have a cheap USB x DAC which is getting me by, but I find myself constantly fiddling with the gain on the preamp, and it really kind of gets to a point when as I am turning up the master, it is not really getting louder, but slamming harder, and sounding more open. I would love to accomplish this at lower volumes, being these are open back and everyone in the office can hear half the output. I am not sure of this is an amp issue, but you literally have to crank these things up to get them sounding like their price.

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Apr 18, 2021, 9:18 PM

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Apr 19, 2021, 4:52 AM

Tubes, solid state, separates, subs, external DAC’s, vinyl, planars, hi rez streamers, DSD, and most recently R2R. So yes, have done them all, and my neighbirs think I am crazy.

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