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Orange Blooded [4947]
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Really Jay Bilas the best way to fix college is to ruin it?
Sep 28, 2017, 11:22 AM
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http://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/20841877/until-ncaa-solves-money-problem-pays-athletes-problems-continue
If players want to get paid then they have no place in college athletics. Sure they should have enough to get by as a college student, which they do, but anything else is simply absurd. You go to college to better yourself for the future. If I could make what I make today out of high school why would I consider college? Tell the NBA to take all those who want to be paid and let them struggle in the D-league. The rest can come to college and prepare for their future career. Oh and while they are at it get free housing, food, and a degree that can help them when the NFL,NBA, or MLB decides they are no longer needed.
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One and done needs to go for basketball; NFL needs it own true minor league
Sep 28, 2017, 11:27 AM
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Don't pay the athletes. If they want to go pro, then let them.
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A true NFL minor league would essentially be the death of
Sep 28, 2017, 11:36 AM
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Re: A true NFL minor league would essentially be the death of
Sep 28, 2017, 11:38 AM
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I could see it working if they kept the 3 years removed from high school in place. It would give some smaller markets semi-pro football teams tied to NFL teams and have players like a Ben Boulware, etc.
However, if they made it entry straight from high school then I agree that would destroy college football, even though it would be a huge mistake from the NFL's standpoint.
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Legend [16134]
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agreed on the huge mistake***
Sep 28, 2017, 11:50 AM
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Doubtful. There aren't that many college football players
Sep 28, 2017, 11:43 AM
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(as a %) that go pro. Yes, the level of competition wouldn't be exactly the same, but people would still follow the sport like they do now. Would the TV contract $$$ do down? Possibly, but it wouldn't kill the sport entirely.
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It would be College Baseball...Deshaun wouldn't have come
Sep 28, 2017, 11:50 AM
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to Clemson, he would have gone to the Minors
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Re: It would be College Baseball...Deshaun wouldn't have come
Sep 28, 2017, 11:52 AM
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That is fine. Mr. Watson is a great representative of our University, but I pull for Clemson not individuals wearing a Clemson jersey.
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I used him as an example of the level of talent we would
Sep 28, 2017, 11:54 AM
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lose...Clemson would essentially be a SoCon team
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Re: I used him as an example of the level of talent we would
Sep 28, 2017, 11:56 AM
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but a SoCon team would be a Div 2 team and I would still pull for Clemson against every other "SoCon team".
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Legend [16134]
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I would still pull for Clemson too, but I would be pulling
Sep 28, 2017, 11:59 AM
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for a lesser product
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I know it took a lot of restraint for you to not make this
Sep 28, 2017, 12:08 PM
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racial
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can you rephrase that so it doesn't sound preachy or
Sep 28, 2017, 4:18 PM
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judgmental? You're making a liar out of cutigerbob®
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Re: can you rephrase that so it doesn't sound preachy or
Sep 28, 2017, 4:39 PM
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Still looks judgmental to me***
Sep 28, 2017, 4:51 PM
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Re: Still looks judgmental to me***
Sep 28, 2017, 5:00 PM
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Well she is a judge....
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are we SURE that's a lady?***
Sep 28, 2017, 5:10 PM
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at an extremely diminished rate...Akin to College Baseball,
Sep 28, 2017, 11:57 AM
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maybe it would keep it's tab on ESPN's Front page, maybe it would lose it to the feeder League
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OK, fine. Still think college football will survive nicely***
Sep 28, 2017, 11:54 AM
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Not nicely, it would be College Baseball***
Sep 28, 2017, 11:54 AM
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So you wouldn't support Clemson just as enthusiastically
Sep 28, 2017, 11:58 AM
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if we didn't have the 5-8 guys that go to the NFL each year? Most Clemson people would.
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I would still pull for Clemson, but I wouldn't watch much
Sep 28, 2017, 12:01 PM
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other College Football
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Re: A true NFL minor league would essentially be the death of
Sep 28, 2017, 11:47 AM
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Would the talent on the field take a step back? Maybe, but that doesn't affect true college football fans. Unlike the NFL most of us have a connection with the team we pull for on Saturdays. I would prefer to pull for less talented armatures than over paid superstars any day.
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Re: A true NFL minor league would essentially be the death of
Sep 28, 2017, 1:03 PM
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An NFL minor league would never work. Almost nobody would go to the games or watch it on TV. That would mean very little money to pay the players. The vast majority who ended up not making it to the NFL would leave football with a little money but no degree. At least with college football you get a free degree.
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Re: Really Jay Bilas the best way to fix college is to ruin it?
Sep 28, 2017, 11:34 AM
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They now get paid a stipend between $2-5,000 on top of having their school expenses paid for. Taking into account the meals provided, free clothing, etc. They are paid pretty well for what they are doing, imo.
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Yep - they are already well paid. They get a free
Sep 28, 2017, 11:47 AM
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college education which amounts to $100,000+, plus if they are good basketball players, they get exposure that helps them earn millions and millions, and if they aren't quite good enough to begin with, they can get coaching that may help them to earn millions and millions. And most, if not many, are getting this all simply because they can play ball.
If they don't like it, and if the NBA doesn't like it, let them start a farm league and let them pay for it. College athletics should consist of real college students who are there to get an education. If schools have one ounce of integrity or backbone, this would be no problem.
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The student athlete myth has to go. College sports is a
Sep 28, 2017, 11:54 AM
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business, the players need to get paid.
Ideally, I'd say separate sports from school entirely and instead privatize it with sports clubs. But that's not going to happen any time soon.
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Re: The student athlete myth has to go. College sports is a
Sep 28, 2017, 11:59 AM
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No it is not. College sports are athletes from the University (students) who compete against other Universities. It has been going on far longer than this money crisis has existed. If they players feel it is unfair then leave the University and pursue other opportunities.
The problem with your premise is A college team would not survive without the University. No one would watch because the majority of college fans care about their school.
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So these are not students and athletes that I pull for on
Sep 28, 2017, 2:48 PM
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Saturday? Wow that is confusing. BTW they are getting paid nicely and are enjoying college and playing the sport they love.
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cry me a river, college basketball and football are basically pro sports now...
Sep 28, 2017, 12:03 PM
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Why not stop denying reality and make reasonable changes. Too much money flowing into those two spots to claim it's amateur. Other college students can work and get paid. These players are basically employees of the school, since they help generate millions for their respective schools and help to generate billion dollar tv contracts. I find it very ironic how people get all communist when it comes to the issue of college athletes getting a piece of the pie. Guess they like the Soviet way of working your butt off only to have most of your money go to an authoritatian party
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Re: cry me a river, college basketball and football are basically pro sports now...
Sep 28, 2017, 12:09 PM
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You work your butt off because without the University your future employees would not look your direction. As a student I was paid the same way as the athletes, through scholarships, and it wasn't even enough to cover housing. Until I received a diploma it didn't matter if I did research on campus or pursued internships, my pay rate was minimal compared to a professional. The university gave me the opportunity to better myself and now I can enjoy the benefits. College players go through the same process and get far more than the average student. If they work hard it will all be worth it. If they take the easy route and don't want the Universities help their chances of success are much lower.
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they get more than the average student because they help bring in..
Sep 28, 2017, 1:59 PM
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millions of dollars to the school. It's called market value.
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Re: they get more than the average student because they help bring in..
Sep 28, 2017, 2:02 PM
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Are you up in arms about the grad students who help bring in grants to schools not being paid enough too?
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Re: cry me a river, college basketball and football are basically pro sports now...
Sep 28, 2017, 12:30 PM
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Great idea! Using your reasoning, how much should athletes pay schools that lose money on athletics, including football at some universities? Our rowing team members should be forced to pay their fair share of the costs to keep the team solvent ...... same with soccer, track, women's basketball, etc.
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that's your logic not mine...
Sep 28, 2017, 2:12 PM
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I'm differentiating between the huge revenue generating sports of basketball and football and the rest of college athletics. It's called market value, it's how American economics work. If you're against players getting paid then be consistent and speak out against coaches getting paid millions, extravagant athletic facilities, and billion dollar tv contracts.
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Re: that's your logic not mine...
Sep 28, 2017, 2:37 PM
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Out of state tuition for Clemson is $35,654. This does not take into account room and board, book fees, and other misc. fees that are charged.
For four years the total of just this is $142,616, and if a player red shirts and stays for 5 years to do grad school you can figure that out yourself.
Add on top of this the $2-5,000 stipends that athletes receive on top of the free tuition and you're talking upwards of $150-160,000 prior to adding in room and board, etc.
How much more do you believe they should be paid above what amounts to $40-50,000 a year?
In response to your coaching salary complaint, they work extremely long hours and earn their pay. The CEO of companies work more than the average employee and therefore are paid accordingly.
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Re: that's your logic not mine...
Sep 28, 2017, 3:53 PM
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You have zero idea what you are talking about. Coaching is a job. Coaches that are able to put fannies in seats are compensated according to what they bring into the athletic program. If you would do a little research, coaches salaries, as paid by the universities is relatively low. It it is their supplement from the booster clubs (i.e. IPTAY), television contracts, etc. that boosts the salary to these incredible levels.
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Re: using your reasoning Clemson wouldn't be allowed to build the new football op center...
Sep 28, 2017, 2:32 PM
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Well maybe Duke and Wake Forest can do a better job of fundraising in order to build nicer ####.
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I agree with you 1000%. I lost what little respect I still had for Bilas
Sep 28, 2017, 12:25 PM
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Yesterday when I heard his rubbish interviews and opinions. Where did he play again? Duke? Yea... makes sense now. Once an entitled kid, always an entitled kid.
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Re: Really Jay Bilas the best way to fix college is to ruin it?
Sep 28, 2017, 2:50 PM
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Just let players get paid for their own likeness and autographs. If a booster is willing to give a kid $50,000 then let him. Some will say that the bigger schools with most alumni will get all the best players but I would counter that they already do.
People have bought #4 jerseys or #28 because of Watson or Spiller. They should get some of that money.
another option is take away scholarships. And I mean a player can decide he can take the scholarship or let a booster give him money and they can take as much as they want. But some smaller players will just take the scholarship because they wouldn’t command as much on open market.
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Your post makes NO sense. Talk about ruining college
Sep 28, 2017, 2:55 PM
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athletics!! Do they hold an open auction on every player to determine their worth?
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Re: Your post makes NO sense. Talk about ruining college
Sep 28, 2017, 3:02 PM
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Not at all. Just say a big time QB is a senior in HS and Notre Dame booster comes to him and says I’ll pay you 20k and then he goes to Georgia booster and says hey this guy gave me a written offer of 20k and if they are willing to offer more then take the offer or if it’s close they go to which school they like more. It’s not hard.
I want to break news to you. Players today, even at clemson, are getting some money from boosters so why not make it above board.
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THAT is an auction! HIGHEST bidder! BTW I don't have
Sep 28, 2017, 3:31 PM
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inside information on what colleges are or are not paying athletes and neither do you. Dabo operates as clean a program as that there is out there. BS to post something that you know nothing about.
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Re: Really Jay Bilas the best way to fix college is to ruin it?
Sep 28, 2017, 4:11 PM
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So if we take the names off the backs of the jerseys, do they still sell? What about taking Clemson and the tiger paws off? College football player merchandise is only valuable because of the University logos. The same as college football games are watched because of the love for the team not the individual players. The players are compensated for their contribution to the University and in return forfeit rights to memorabilia sales. If players do not like the agreement then they should purse the pros by other means and see if they are willing to house, feed, and train you in between.
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Pay College Athletes?
Sep 28, 2017, 5:12 PM
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Should we pay college athletes? It appears to me we do. I don't know the cost of attending Clemson but let's assume it's $40,000./Yr., including tuition, room, board, transportation, beer, etc. If not on scholarship, either academic or athletic, that's a big hunk of money. Now, for a football player, there is the Cost of Attendance which is about &3,500. Throw in all of the perks not available to other students and that, again, is serious money. &50,000 per year when a regular student has to pay the total bill and has no perks. Football, as well as any sport, is a learning experience to prepare the players for the outside world. The engineering student, the pre-med student and those enrolled in every discipline are engaged in a learning experience to prepare them for the outside world. One pays for the learning experience and another is paid for the learning experience.
If athletes are to be paid, should it be based on performance, responsibility, and difficulty of a task since these are three of the basis factors for pay scales in the real world. Would this create friction among team members? If all players received the same pay, is this not favoring the non-performers? From my viewpoint, paying athletes in college can lead to more problems than it will prove to be a solution to the problem.
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