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RE: Chadwell
Dec 8, 2022, 8:55 AM
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$4 million to coach at liberty? Wow.
What’s the logic behind taking that job?
They are no more of a high profile program than Coastal. Other than the money, which cannot be discounted, of course, but other than the money, is there really any logical reason for taking this job?
Seems to be more of a lateral move to me. I thought he would’ve waited until a bigger program came along, because those offers are surely on the way as good as he has been at Coastal.
I would love to see us get Willie Korn as a co-QB coach and OC.
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Re: RE: Chadwell
Dec 8, 2022, 9:20 AM
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Coastal is in the SunBelt. It's arguably the most brutal schedule for a Group of 5 conference. Liberty is set to join Conference USA this coming season. With the 12 team playoff expansion coming in 2024, the road to a playoff berth is easier at Liberty. At least on paper. It was also rumored that Coastal could only afford 2.5 million per year. They couldn't beat the Falwell's deep offering plate.
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I guess technically there’s some logic to that.
Dec 8, 2022, 9:33 AM
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But other than money I still don’t see how this move makes sense, long-term as a coach that probably wants to be at a major program one day. Seems he has just as good a chance, if not better of getting a bigger job staying at coastal because liberty is already a good program and if they drop off, it hurts his chances of moving on to the big time.
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Re: I guess technically there’s some logic to that.
Dec 8, 2022, 10:06 AM
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Well,
I would make a lateral move for 1.5 million a year - wouldn't you ??
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It is an interesting debate.
Dec 8, 2022, 12:22 PM
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On the one hand, like I said, obviously, money is a huge factor in this decision. But, if you seriously want to be a head coach in a major program, you better hope you don’t screw the pooch because if you screw this up, you better enjoy that extra money you’re making at liberty because it could be years before you get an opportunity at a big program.
Liberty is already good. If they don’t stay that good for at least two maybe three years until he gets an offer by a bigger program it’s going to hurt his reputation not help. In that scenario doing it just for the money is counterproductive. He’s taking the money now, rather than the bigger money down the road.
Interesting debate. It can be argued multiple ways. One thing is for sure if he does well, he will get a bigger offer. But if he screws the pooch. Oh well.
But I love people that gamble on themselves! That’s how you become successful in life. And the overwhelming majority of successful people in America took chances and gambled on themselves.
I guess we’ll know in two or three years won’t we? Lol.
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Trying to understand your logic
Dec 8, 2022, 2:07 PM
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But other than money I still don’t see how this move makes sense, long-term as a coach that probably wants to be at a major program one day. Seems he has just as good a chance, if not better of getting a bigger job staying at coastal because liberty is already a good program and if they drop off, it hurts his chances of moving on to the big time.
So the Liberty coach just took the Auburn job. The Coastal coach took the Liberty job. Which school is a better launch pad?
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Chadwell 2.5 was with all of the incentives met
Dec 8, 2022, 9:53 AM
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Jamie was guaranteed 1.2 Mil as a base 2 years ago to keep him. I'm very connected to Coastal. I have had interaction with all of the coaches, Friends with Cliff Ellis, umpired Coastal Games and called Gilly before and after they won the national championship. Met Jamie a few times so all of the coaches know each others business. Every coach is awesome and 1st class. I always look forward to our gatherings when I know they're going to be there. We always end up with Coach Ellis singing beach music. What a blast!
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Cliff Ellis is the best basketball coach Clemson ever had.
Dec 8, 2022, 12:25 PM
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That’s not an opinion, it can be proven with the numbers. I wish he was our coach now and I think him and Dabo both being at Clemson would be hilarious because they are both characters. Put those two on a stage and let them Yuk it up and you can charge money and sell tickets.
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Re: Cliff Ellis is the best basketball coach Clemson ever had.
Dec 8, 2022, 2:36 PM
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No way! According to our resident Troll, Brownell is the best coach in our history and it isn't close. He can't be wrong about that, can he?
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Re: RE: Chadwell
Dec 8, 2022, 9:21 AM
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Is Chadwell a Christian? Really interested to get your take on that.
NOT.
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Re: RE: Chadwell
Dec 8, 2022, 9:29 AM
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Is Jerry Falwell Jr.?
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If he confesses Jesus as Lord and repents ...***
Dec 8, 2022, 12:51 PM
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There is only one unforgivable sin ... and it isn't cheering for the coots or an OSU.
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Re: RE: Chadwell
Dec 8, 2022, 9:22 AM
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I know some people involved in the Coastal program. Nobody that I know is sad to see him leave.
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Interesting. I haven’t heard that in Charleston.
Dec 8, 2022, 9:31 AM
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And I’ve certainly heard plenty of people supporting him on Charleston sports radio.
Can you elaborate?
Naturally, I’m not saying mention names, but what are some of the comments you’re hearing or some of the reasons why no one’s sad to see him go?
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Re: Interesting. I haven’t heard that in Charleston.
Dec 8, 2022, 10:01 AM
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I know 2 kids (and their families) that play there one of which plays a lot. Won’t say who.
I texted both when I heard Chadwell was leaving to see what they thought. They both basically said good riddance…I don’t know why.
I talked to one of the parents and he said it was no big loss but wouldn’t elaborate.
They are hopeful the new guy will be a good hire.
That’s all I know.
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Interesting
Dec 8, 2022, 12:29 PM
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Clearly, if one of them plays a lot it’s not sour grapes unless he plays a lot but isn’t the starter and they think that that kid should be the starter.
It is interesting. But I have always heard good things about the guy. And he has been very successful. Let’s be honest, you’ll never please everyone!
For example, our softball coach is one of the best arguably the best softball coach in girls softball in America. He got run out of Stanford because of a few kids and parents with accusations that were unfounded, and he was supported by the overwhelming majority of players and their families, past and present. So I usually take these kind of things with a grain of salt. Because you honestly never know peoples motivations! All I know is Stanford‘s loss is Clemson‘s gain.
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Arrogant ? Smells like elderberry ? Dresses up like Little
Dec 8, 2022, 9:33 AM
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Bo Peep on the 2nd Tuesday and 1st & 3rd Saturday of every month ?
Do tell, please.
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The money for the Liberty job seems
Dec 8, 2022, 9:37 AM
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a bit much but that offering plate money can go a long way.
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and no beach front property***
Dec 8, 2022, 10:14 AM
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The money, as you said, is the biggest factor.
Dec 8, 2022, 10:03 AM
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Liberty is also a place that's proven to be a stepping stone to bigger jobs.
It reminds me of Virginia Commonwealth in college basketball. It's a place that really supports the sport well, and it's easier to win there, and thus a ticket to a big time job later.
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Valid points and great assessment
Dec 8, 2022, 12:34 PM
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But they already win at a high level, so Chadwell better not screw it up because it will do the opposite of what he is hoping. But again, I love people that gamble on themselves! It’s the American way.
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Re: The money, as you said, is the biggest factor.
Dec 8, 2022, 1:42 PM
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Disagree that Liberty is proven to be a stepping stone to bigger jobs. Freeze was already established and used them as an opportunity to rehabilitate prior to going back to P5. There is no example of an up and coming coach at Liberty moving to P5. The coach prior to Freeze, Turner Gill, is out of coaching. The one before that went to Richmond and VMI.
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I guess he figured if Hugh freeze could leverage it into an sec
Dec 8, 2022, 10:15 AM
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job then he could do something similar and the pay is good to.
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It’s intriguing and it’s gonna be interesting to watch***
Dec 8, 2022, 12:35 PM
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Re: RE: Chadwell
Dec 8, 2022, 10:19 AM
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Liberty is the largest University in America by enrollment. They are making football a priority because they understand the value in returns as advertising for the school. Most universities get value from football in increasing selectivity of applicants but can only boost enrollment incrementally. Liberty, due to its emphasis on distance education, can capture and monetize increasing interest in their school much more aggressively than more traditional universities can. They will become a significant player in D1 football if that remains their intention.
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How many of those students are online?
Dec 8, 2022, 12:38 PM
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I don’t consider online enrollment. What percentage of those kids live there and go to classes in person? That’s the real enrollment. But I looked them up briefly, and they have an excellent a most excellent male to female student ratio!
I once dated a girl that was Mormon and she went to BYU. They have an extremely high rate of students that are married because college kids want to have sex. It’s definitely an interesting place!
On a sidenote, she was from Montana. I never realized how many Mormons are in Montana and Idaho, etc. Not to mention Nevada.
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Re: How many of those students are online?
Dec 8, 2022, 12:48 PM
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I looked up their enrollment. They have almost 16,000 on campus, the rest are remote.
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Re: RE: Chadwell
Dec 8, 2022, 2:41 PM
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UCF is the largest enrollment though ATM is catching up...and may have caught up.
Liberty is like 90% virtual. That's like saying the University of Phoenix Online with their easy peasy online degrees is the largest college.
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Re: RE: Chadwell
Dec 8, 2022, 3:49 PM
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UCF is largest on campus enrollment. Liberty is growing exponentially. They claim over 130,000 current enrollees. This from a school with less than 250,000 alumni. They’re the only primarily remote learning institution that is putting this emphasis on sports. They have the potential to build a national brand. They don’t have the expense ratio a traditional university has with enrollment growth. They will be able to self fund sports in a way traditional universities can’t and pay their way until their audience is large enough that they get a slot in a big big conference. Once they buy their way into the CFP as a group of five champ their brand will further explode. Just my prediction.
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Re: RE: Chadwell
Dec 8, 2022, 10:22 AM
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I was surprised Chadwell left Coastal Carolina after signing a long term contract. Same with High Freeze after he signed long term contract I was really surprised he bolted for of all places Auburn. Auburn and Corruption same to go together. Sunburn would be a job more suited for Coaches like Jimbo Fisher, Lane Kiffin, or coaches with similar personalities.
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Let’s be honest, Hugh Freeze is not exactly concerned about corruption
Dec 8, 2022, 12:39 PM
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Nor morality based on his track record.
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Money Talks, BS Walks. HTH***
Dec 8, 2022, 10:59 AM
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I’m a capitalist, pig, and radical libertarian
Dec 8, 2022, 12:43 PM
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I agree, 100% with your sentiment.
But? Is grabbing the short term money the smart thing to do in this situation? There’s bigger money long-term. It’s like playing poker. Sometimes you take some losses because you know there’s be bigger gains later.
Is he being impatient, and wanted to grab the easy money now unless he keeps winning like they are accustomed otherwise it could hurt him in the long run. That’s why I find it so intriguing. Do you want the easy money now or the bigger money down the road by being patient?
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Two words - MYRTLE BEACH
Dec 8, 2022, 3:41 PM
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I know Lynchburg is no utopia either, but this South Carolinian would take that over Conway-Myrtle Beach in a second. Add in a $125k/month raise, and it’s even an easier decision than hiring Slash for your rock band.
I would also make a lateral move from SCAR to just about anywhere else for some more money.
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