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YOUR BALANCE
Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches
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Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 20, 2017, 3:46 PM

For me

1) Cliff Ellis. 3 NCAA tournaments. One Sweet 16(stinking Tate George). Only regular season title in history. Brought in the most talent of any coach(NBA-Campbell, Davis, Wright, Whitney, Gray). All time winningest coach.

2) Rick Barnes. 3 NCAA tournaments. 1 Sweet 16(stinking cheating Minnesota). Post season every year. Perhaps the greatest coaching job in school history in his first year.

3) Oliver Purnell. Three NCAA tournaments. 6 straight postseason appearances. Second ACC championship game in history.

4) Bill Foster. Only elite 8 in school history. Signed Nance and both Grant's

5) Brad Brownell. 'Cause really, who else is there?

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You left off


Jan 20, 2017, 3:52 PM

Tates Locke

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On purpose. Kind of obvious why


Jan 20, 2017, 3:52 PM

Lol

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You didn't specify


Jan 20, 2017, 3:53 PM

non-cheating coaches

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Tates took cheating to an all star level


Jan 20, 2017, 3:57 PM

Unreal the things he did

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True - but he was actually a good coach as far........


Jan 20, 2017, 4:19 PM

as during games.

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Just can't list a guy who was the poster child for renegade prigram


Jan 20, 2017, 4:35 PM

By basketball acumen Bobby Roberts was a heckuva coach. But it comes down to winning as well.

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If you list Bill Foster, you almost have to credit Tates ...


Jan 20, 2017, 9:22 PM

Bill took the players Tates cheated to get and minus Skip Wise and parlayed that into several really good seasons. He still had good seasons after that initial group departed but he gradually lost his momentum and was pretty mediocre toward the end.

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Foster only really had 2 years with Tates' best players


Jan 20, 2017, 10:15 PM

the Rollins, Abraham, Rome group. That next wave Bill brought in took us to the elite 8, and they were all his. Like Ellis, he couldn't sustain it.

Let's face it, we've never had a coach sustain it. They have either petered out like Bill and Cliff, left like Barnes and OP, been mediocre like Brownell, or bad like Shyatt

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Biggest cheat in basketball***


Jan 21, 2017, 9:36 AM [ in reply to You left off ]



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Re: Biggest cheat in basketball***


Jan 21, 2017, 12:29 PM

until unc claimed that crown for all time with a scandal so long-lasting and so pernicious it's not been resolved by the NCAA in over 5 years.....thus far

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Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 20, 2017, 3:56 PM

I agree with your assessment.

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#1 Shyatt


Jan 20, 2017, 3:57 PM

lol

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Maybe for nicest guy


Jan 20, 2017, 3:58 PM

or top assistant. He was a great #2

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Part/Much of the reason Barnes was successful at Clemson was


Jan 20, 2017, 4:40 PM [ in reply to #1 Shyatt ]

because Larry Shyatt was his no.1 assistant.....and Barnes never really achieved the high expectations at Texas with the incredible athletics budget they have. So laugh all you like, just acknowledge your limited view

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Texas was a mess when Barnes got there


Jan 20, 2017, 4:46 PM

he achieved more than any coach in their history, they aren't a historic basketball school. Just after 17 years things go stale sometimes.

I don't know if Rick was ever the right coach for the one and done type he got often his last 7/8 years there. Give him a team of grinders and I think his the best "coach" we ever had

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I don't agree with that at all.


Jan 20, 2017, 7:51 PM [ in reply to Part/Much of the reason Barnes was successful at Clemson was ]

The only thing Rick Barnes failed to do at Texas was win the national championship. If that was the expectation, then maybe he didn't meet them.

16 NCAA appearances in 17 years.
2 Sweet Sixteens.
2 Elite Eights.
1 Final Four.

Guess he managed OK at Texas without Larry Shyatt.

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Makes you wonder why Texas fired him ...


Jan 24, 2017, 5:50 AM

He could have (and probably would have) done all of that at Clemson and today he'd have a statue in front of Littlejohn.

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Press Maravich by a wide margin ...***


Jan 20, 2017, 4:04 PM

Our issues started in the 1950s, not in the 1970s.

We had a chance to build a strong foundation with a fine coach and we let him get away.

We're a football school back then. Maybe we still are.

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Just can't list a guy who never came close to a winning


Jan 20, 2017, 4:39 PM

record in his years here and was 50 games under .500 for his career in spite of winning an ACC Championship at State with Case's players and coaching his all time great son at LSU

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well, sure if you use facts***


Jan 20, 2017, 4:49 PM



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Those are the facts, but they are not the full story.


Jan 20, 2017, 9:15 PM [ in reply to Just can't list a guy who never came close to a winning ]

John Wooden said Press Maravich was the best basketball mind he had ever known.

Press won many games that Clemson had no business winning given the huge talent discrepancy.

Press took a group of absolute nobodies all the way to the ACC finals.

He was a terrific coach who knew how to win, but he had absolutely no support from Frank Howard's Athletic Department.

He could have gotten us over the hump back when the hump wasn't insurmountable, but we wouldn't work to keep him.

He was bar none, the best coach Clemson has ever had.

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Honestly, the best hoops coach we've had coached the women...Jim Davis***


Jan 20, 2017, 4:10 PM



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1. Rick Barnes 2. OP 3. Bill Foster 4. Shag 5. Press


Jan 20, 2017, 4:26 PM

Maravich.

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Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 20, 2017, 4:32 PM

Really liked Tates Locke.

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Put Foster in front of Purnell***


Jan 20, 2017, 4:47 PM



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Tge man could spot under the radar talent


Jan 20, 2017, 4:51 PM

Cornbread Maxwell, Billy Williams, Nance, Vinnie Hamilton, the Grant's.

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Excellent post.....


Jan 20, 2017, 5:09 PM

Insofar as talent evaluator and developer, strategy and game coach, Bill Foster was probably the best basketball coach during my 55+ years of closely following Clemson basketball.....Rick Barnes was a helluva motivator.....Tates Locke was remarkable at teaching fundamentals.....Ellis showed traits of all the above and just won his 800th game.....Purnell had the most exciting style of play (not a lot of defense, constant running the court),

I've long said that Clemson basketball has never fully recovered from Foster's totally unexpected departure to resurrect the program at Miami

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Toward the end there, he got kind of shaky...There was a


Jan 20, 2017, 5:32 PM

game vs a big time ACC school,(I think Duke, might have been UVA) that was still close in the final minute and he had Murray Jarman on the bench(due to fouls) and he kept walking Murray to the scorer's table and then walking him back to the bench. He did this several times but never inserted him in the game, which we end up losing on a rebound...I will never forget the string of cusswords that came out of my father's mouth when we got back to the car and heard Bill mention in the postgame that he tried to get Murray in the game...The Father from A Christmas Story would have been proud

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I think that was the UVA game where they had Sampson


Jan 20, 2017, 5:46 PM

and were ranked number one. Lost 56-54 on a backside rebound by Craig Robinson at the buzzer

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the double OT game? Might have been...I just remember my


Jan 20, 2017, 5:48 PM

father pointing out the substitution shuffle with Murray and then hearing Bill lament that Murray wasn't playing

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Jarman had a great game to against Ralph


Jan 20, 2017, 5:50 PM

He's another guy Bill found out of nowhere

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maybe Bill measured his feet too***


Jan 20, 2017, 5:53 PM



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Re: Jarman had a great game to against Ralph


Jan 20, 2017, 7:01 PM [ in reply to Jarman had a great game to against Ralph ]

Yeah I really liked Jarman he was a walk on some guy told the coaches y'all need to see this kid playing intramural basketball he was tearing it up . He was 6'6" and had a 42" vertical leap .

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Bill was feeling some heat when he left as well


Jan 20, 2017, 5:32 PM [ in reply to Excellent post..... ]

three straight mediocre seasons to close things out for him. I remember when he signed Clarke Bynum I thought we'd turned the corner, but he never developed. Not athletic enough. When we lost Nance he never replaced him inside and wound up a perimeter based team in a league full of beasts.

If only Dean hadn't swooped in on Brad Daugherty

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yeah...It was time...Truthfully, you take away those last 3


Jan 20, 2017, 5:43 PM

years and Bill is probably second on the list...He signed my two favorite Tigers, Larry and Horace...I loved me some Larry...One of the most under-rated players at Clemson and in the pros...He was awesome...And the basketball coach at TL Hanna suggested he try another sport

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Coming off 3 seasons on probation with


Jan 20, 2017, 9:45 PM [ in reply to Bill was feeling some heat when he left as well ]

limited recruiting, etc.....All things considered, Clemson basketball was in decent shape and--I hate myself for posting this--the future was looking fairly bright.

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he said he measured Horace and Harvey's feet and knew they


Jan 20, 2017, 5:21 PM [ in reply to Tge man could spot under the radar talent ]

were going to hit another growth spurt

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and we forgot


Jan 20, 2017, 5:39 PM [ in reply to Tge man could spot under the radar talent ]

Lew "Machine Gun" Massey at unc-c QQ aw

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Indeed


Jan 20, 2017, 5:43 PM

Now Bill didn't leave the cupboard bare. Left that UNCC team for Lee Rise and Horace for Cliff, along with Anthony Jenkins

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AJ could hit that shot form the corner...I remember the


Jan 20, 2017, 5:46 PM

double OT game vs UVA Sampson's SR year. AJ had to hit 2 fts to tie and I asked if he could take them from the corner

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AJ couldn't do much else, but that "automatic knuckleball"


Jan 20, 2017, 5:56 PM

was a thing of beauty. Three best pure shooters in my lifetime were him, Colon Abraham and Oglesby

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no...no he could not...He just stood in the corner, but he


Jan 20, 2017, 7:01 PM

was automatic from that ONE spot

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Re: Put Foster in front of Purnell***


Jan 20, 2017, 6:54 PM [ in reply to Put Foster in front of Purnell*** ]

Bill was my great uncle. I always wanted to know what other Clemson fans thought of him. I was not born when he was at Clemson. He used to take my mom to games. She always told me how great they were. She was 4'8 and always told me how small she was compared to Tree Rollins. I was a child when he went to VT so he used to send me shoes that the team was wearing that year. Great man and I got to see him more after he retired at holidays.

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while he might not have been properly appreciated at


Jan 20, 2017, 7:03 PM

the time, History and Hindsight have been kind to him...and Ellis for that matter...But we they BOTH left, it WAS time

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Feels that way now as well***


Jan 20, 2017, 7:26 PM



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Had the chance to spend a good deal of time


Jan 20, 2017, 7:25 PM [ in reply to Re: Put Foster in front of Purnell*** ]

around him. My dad absolutely loved him

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One of my dad's favorite Bill Foster quotes


Jan 20, 2017, 11:40 PM

is "I can teach 'em to play basketball, but I can't teach 'em to be tall."

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"All those 'Fire Brownell' guys can kiss it." -Joseph Girard III

"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


Or as the old Oregon St coach Marv Harshman said


Jan 21, 2017, 8:06 AM

"Quick guys get tired, big guys don't shrink."

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In my short life span...


Jan 20, 2017, 5:25 PM

1. Rick Barnes

2. Rick Barnes

3. Rick Barnes

4. Rick Barnes

5. Oliver Purnell

OP was the coach when I attended school at CLEMSON. So I'll give him some credit. That said, not winning in the NCAA Tourney and bolting for DePaul tarnishes my thoughts of him. I'll always be grateful for Trevor Booker, KC Rivers, Demontez Stitt, and Tanner Smith, though. And never forget my former roommate Zavier Anderson. Great fella!

Cliff Ellis was slightly before my time but looking at what he did for CLEMSON... he was a great coach. But he seems like an even better man. I have a lot of respect for him.

~JKB

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It will be hard to unseat Cliff...I still remember his 1st


Jan 20, 2017, 5:37 PM

presser, when he called his shot...Blew my mind to hear a coach say we were going to win the ACC...and then he actually did it...Single greatest Basketball accomplishment in school history...At a time when the ACC was a good as it has EVER been...When we let him go, it was definitely his time to go, but that will NEVER diminish that ACC Title

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Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 20, 2017, 5:41 PM

1) Barnes
2) Ellis
3) OP
4) Foster
5) Brownell

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Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 20, 2017, 5:44 PM

Shyatt beat a #1 ranked UNC team which pretty much trumps anything in the Brownell era.

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Brownell @Clemson: 8 seasons ranked 50th or worse by Sports Reference’s SRS
1-29: Brad Brownell road record against ranked ACC opponents
142, 161, 294, 307, 293, 166, 225, 180, 260, 164, 141, 72, 68 - assist rankings amongst all D1 programs during Brownell's tenure


He did indeed. He also never had a winning ACC


Jan 20, 2017, 5:48 PM

record. Something Brad has actually done 3 times. That's another thing strange about this year, his teams are normally much better in league than OOC

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The tournament committee doesn't place as much value on our


Jan 20, 2017, 6:57 PM

ACC schedule as they used to.

Not sure why.

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no...no it doesn't***


Jan 20, 2017, 5:50 PM [ in reply to Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches ]



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Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 20, 2017, 6:26 PM

No question..Tates Locke

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Does Jim Davis count?


Jan 20, 2017, 7:40 PM

Foster, Ellis, Barnes, Locke, Purnell

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Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 20, 2017, 6:47 PM

1. Rick Barnes
2. Bill Foster
3. Oliver Purnell
4. Cliff Ellis
5. Tates Locke

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NO WAY Cliff is 4th***


Jan 20, 2017, 6:50 PM



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He was at Clemson for 10 years.


Jan 20, 2017, 6:53 PM

Nobody else had that long of a tenure.

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Nobody else won the ACC...don't see how length of tenure


Jan 20, 2017, 6:59 PM

is a negative

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He had many more opportunities to gain wins


Jan 20, 2017, 7:23 PM

than everyone else and he really petered out over his last 4 years. He liked to pad his win totals with weak out of conference foes.

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He took Clemson to heights OP never did


Jan 20, 2017, 7:33 PM

Probably the best team in school history in 89-90. Only team close to it really was Tree's senior year when we were on probation.

OP's best team would have been run out of the gym by them. They averaged 85 points a game.

And think of the ACC then. Jordan, Worthy, Perkins, Bias, Sampson, Dawkins, Price, Daugherty, literally on and on. Greatest era of ACC hoops ever

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I like Ellis, seems like a nice guy, but it was always


Jan 20, 2017, 11:47 PM

frustrating how he would have a good team every now and then, but be in the NIT or not make the postseason at all in the years between. He only had three NCAA Tournament appearances during his 10 years here, one of which lost in the first round and one in the second. That Sweet Sixteen team in '89-'90 was possibly our best team ever though (I didn't see our Elite Eight team under Foster).

Ellis's tenure certainly wasn't a model of consistency like Purnell's or Barnes's. With Purnell and Barnes, the improvement was gradual and predictable, and the success was sustained. Ellis couldn't do that, which is why I have him #3 even though he has the most wins.

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"Everybody needs to know that Coach Brownell is arguably the best coach to come through Clemson." -PJ Hall


I can see that. But he only missed the postseason


Jan 21, 2017, 12:23 PM

Twice I believe. And you think the ACC is a grind now, that was the greatest era in ACC hoops ever.

I'd rate Foster's team right behind that one. Gutty PG in Conrad. Billy Williams was All-ACC at 2G. All 6'10 frontline in Wyatt, Nance and Campbell. Dodd and Gilliam off the bench. Heck of a team. Couldn't win on the road in the ACC but went undefeated at home to get in the tourney when only 48 did

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Tates Locke is the only one have a movie about him


Jan 20, 2017, 7:40 PM

Nick Nolte's character in Blue Chips was inspired by Tates Locke. The stories are almost unbelievable. The guy was a madman.

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Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 20, 2017, 7:55 PM

1. Rick Barnes
2. Cliff Ellis
3. OP


Doesn't matter after that.

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Foster belongs in that group


Jan 20, 2017, 7:57 PM

Doesn't matter after that

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Top 5? Hahahaha******


Jan 20, 2017, 8:05 PM



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Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 20, 2017, 9:34 PM

There are not five good ones. Seriously, I can only list two.

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Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 20, 2017, 11:36 PM

1. Rick Barnes
2. Oliver Purnell
3. Cliff Ellis
4. Bill Foster
5. Brad Brownell

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Re: Rank your top 5 Clemson basketball coaches


Jan 24, 2017, 8:58 AM

Nailed it

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