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Question for you people who are against the NCAA ruling...
Jul 23, 2012, 10:08 AM
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Do you realize that the NCAA is not punishing the program for what Sandusky did? Do you realize that is not what these sanctions are for?
Seriously, think about it for one minute.
The NCAA has made it abundantly clear that the program is being punished for the coverup.
When your head football coach and BOT helps coverup a child ###### pedophile for 12+ years allowing your program to compete, he program deserved this.
I'm reading a lot of posts that say, "the NCAA is overstepping their bounderies. This is a criminal matter..." NO IT IS NOT. THIS IS NOT ABOUT SANDUSKY AT THIS POINT...ITS ABOUT THE COVERUP. That is the job of the NCAA. Like it or not.
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CU Guru [1895]
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I feel like they are just kicking them while they're down
Jul 23, 2012, 10:16 AM
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Penn State is a University with 50K+ students and hundreds of thousands of alumni. The 4 or 5 people involved in the coverup will have their day in court and be punished for their crimes.
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110%er [6224]
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thats 4 to 5 that they KNOW of.
Jul 23, 2012, 10:34 AM
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The culture of the university is whacked out.
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Re: Question for you people who are against the NCAA ruling...
Jul 23, 2012, 10:17 AM
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I get that. The precedent set is concerning but to hit them for 14 years of hiding a predator and enabling him is ok. I just wonder what will happen now criminally since the guys to be tried are guilty of the coverup but the 3 counts JS was not guilty on was involving the situation McQuerry saw and the others didnt pursue. It will interesting to see how that impacts things
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Re: Question for you people who are against the NCAA ruling...
Jul 23, 2012, 10:19 AM
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The people who covered it up will be punished in court.
They were not covering up violations that had to do with NCAA rules. This was not an NCAA matter. I believe in checks and balances when it comes to the powers that organizations have. I believe that the NCAA stepped over what their line should be.
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All-American [590]
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Unfortunately, you're wrong.
Jul 23, 2012, 10:25 AM
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There won't be any more criminal court. There will only be civil lawsuits from here on out.
Thus, it is an NCAA matter because there was a coverup of felony charges.
Your response is like saying, "So what if Chad Morris was selling bath salts. Just because Dabo knew about it and didn't do anything doesn't give the NCAA the right to punish our program..."-Idiot
YES IT DOES. COVERUP OF A LEGAL MATTER IS A VIOLATION.
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Re: Unfortunately, you're wrong.
Jul 23, 2012, 10:30 AM
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Will the NCAA sanction ESPN for withholding information about Syracuse? No they will not.
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Orange Blooded [4504]
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Flash!! ESPN is not a member of the NCAA organization.***
Jul 23, 2012, 10:42 AM
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All-American [590]
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Is this a serious question? I laughed cause I thought you
Jul 23, 2012, 12:26 PM
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were joking...
"Will the NCAA sanction ESPN for withholding information about Syracuse? No they will not."
LOL, what can the NCAA do to ESPN? lol, they have no authority of ESPN at all.
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Athletic Dir [890]
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What does the Acronym NCAA stand for?
Jul 23, 2012, 10:35 AM
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It is for athletics this was a legal matter.
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All-American [590]
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And this does have to do with athletics.
Jul 23, 2012, 12:27 PM
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simply put-
"To maintain a competitive advantage, elite members of the Penn State football organization chose to cover up ciminal acts perpetrated by a Coordinator."
-Competitive advantage is the key word.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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When did the NCAA become authorized to comment on law
Jul 23, 2012, 10:36 AM
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They are a membership organization, not a branch of the goverment. The coverup can be punished with LEGAL means, not NCAA. The NCAA just made up powers that they didn't previously have to cover up their embarassment of having an accessory to child abuse as their top coaching wins of all time.
Would you be ok with the NCAA punishing schools because of players breaking the law (like Ga or Tenn)? Same thing. Thats a slippery slope that the NCAA has proven itself incapable of handling.
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The NCAA has whichever powers its member institutions grant
Jul 23, 2012, 10:41 AM
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it. PSU can exit the NCAA if it desires, and if the other member institutions felt that the NCAA had overstepped its bounds, they would have stopped it.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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Apparently this was either just the board or a subset
Jul 23, 2012, 10:58 AM
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this wasn't vetted by the entire membership. I would like to be a fly on the wall in the next full membership meeting.
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You people don't understand this has nothing to do with the
Jul 23, 2012, 12:30 PM
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law. There were no torts committed. This is not a legal matter. Stop trying to make it a legal matter.
If this was a legal matter, I would not be arguing...but it's not.
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Orange Blooded [3573]
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YOu said that it was an NCAA matter
Jul 23, 2012, 2:23 PM
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because it was a coverup of a felony. How then are you not saying that it was a legal issue?
The only reason the NCAA bent their own rules is because it is an embarassment issue for them to have someone that acted as JoPa did as the winningest coach of all time.
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CU Guru [1053]
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I disagree it was NCAA embarassment. It is clear that PSU
Jul 23, 2012, 4:18 PM
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let everything take a back seat to Joe Pa and the football program. The NCAA is likely no embarrassed, but they were likely pretty angry that an educational institution set aside its ethics at the desire of the head football coach.
Some people felt Danny Ford ran Clemson and he was fired to right the ship. Danny Ford's influence was nothing compared to Joe Pa. He wanted it covered up and the admin and the head of the Board went along. They even went so far as to prevent and stonewall actions and proposals by other board members to improve the institutional governance of the Univeristy. By the accounts those other board members didn't even know this was going on, they just knew enough about institutional governanace to know that PSU was ripe for problems given the lack of oversight going on.
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Re: When did the NCAA become authorized to comment on law
Jul 23, 2012, 2:27 PM
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> They are a membership organization, not a branch of
> the goverment. The coverup can be punished with
> LEGAL means, not NCAA. The NCAA just made up powers
> that they didn't previously have to cover up their
> embarassment of having an accessory to child abuse as
> their top coaching wins of all time.
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> Would you be ok with the NCAA punishing schools
> because of players breaking the law (like Ga or
> Tenn)? Same thing. Thats a slippery slope that the
> NCAA has proven itself incapable of handling.
Same thing I've been saying, they overstepped their authority!
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Re: Unfortunately, you're wrong.
Jul 23, 2012, 10:43 AM
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That is your opinion. Also it is not a coverup of NCAA rules. This is not an NCAA matter.
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yes it is...
Jul 23, 2012, 11:19 AM
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they violated several bylaws of the NCAA constitution which includes honesty, integrity and moral responsibilty by the school
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All-American [590]
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People are not going to understand you because...
Jul 23, 2012, 12:31 PM
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you said integrity and moral responsibilty.
12 years of covering up a criminal organization used to rape little boys...
It's a shame our society is "mad" at the NCAA right now.
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Orange Blooded [2519]
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It's a criminal matter, even the coverup. Letting the NCAA
Jul 23, 2012, 11:24 AM
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get involved when they broke no ncaa rules, is a bad precedent to set.
This is a mob-mentality ruling. Everybody is pissed at Penn St, and want something done. But rules should be adhered to, and piling on won't help.
Some jail time for the school president and AD would do just as much as ncaa sanctions and let the NCAA stay within their scope.
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Re: Question for you people who are against the NCAA ruling...
Jul 23, 2012, 11:38 AM
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I'm only against these sanctions because they set a bad precedent of no due process for institutions. There are clear guidelines for how these punishments are supposed to be levied, and they were not followed.
The school may well deserve all of these punishments, but you have to let it play out through the proper channels.
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All-American [590]
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The Freeh report was administered by Penn State...
Jul 23, 2012, 12:32 PM
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if they object to the sanctions, i'm sure there is an appeal process. I don't think they will because they did not refute anything in the Freeh report.
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Re: Question for you people who are against the NCAA ruling...
Jul 23, 2012, 4:49 PM
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They exibited the ultimate "lack of institutional control." The penalty is harsh but fair considering the lives that have been damaged by this mess.
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