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Question for all you long time Clemson sports fans:
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Question for all you long time Clemson sports fans:

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Feb 15, 2018, 9:23 AM

What do y'all think coach rat-face, or coach dean "the whiney mouth" smith, or even Rick Barnes would do if an opposing player hacked one of their players in the head so hard that they had to go to the hospital and the refs never even called a foul?

Or what do you think Dabo would have done if the same type of thing had been done to one of his players?

And what SHOULD the do?

I'll take it off the air and listen....

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Feb 15, 2018, 9:29 AM

I just know if the team were reversed it would have been a foul and probably a flagrant one at that. And then Gman on tv trying to say he hit his head on the floor. Yeah after he collapsed into unconciousness maybe.

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Feb 15, 2018, 9:31 AM

What do expect from a Duke guy?

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I don't think I've watched a game in a long time in which

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Feb 15, 2018, 9:34 AM

the announcers were so totally one-sided. If you weren't watching, and were not aware of the score, but relying only on their commentary, you would have thought FSU led from wire-to-wire, and dominated the entire way. I know we tanked in the second half and turned the ball over and did plenty on our own to deserve the loss; but good lawd the announcers should at least make an effort to pretend to be unbiased.

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Re: Question for all you long time Clemson sports fans:

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Feb 15, 2018, 10:37 AM

If Dean Smith, the whole officiating crew would probably be wearing cement overshoes. At the very least, they would never officiate another game in Chapel Hill. Don't mess with the Dean.

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Feb 15, 2018, 9:56 AM

I have watched Clemson Basketball for 50 + years and nothing changes as far as how the ACC officiating goes and its biased calls and many no calls against Clemson. I know some people on here will say I am wrong but I have seen too much to not believe this. Last night's no call flagrant was a classic example of this. Had it been any other team in the ACC I am convinced it would have been a flagrant foul and someone probably would have been ejected particularly had Clemson been the offender. Think about this from a statistical stand point; what are the odds that one team can play at a certain location 59 times and lose 59 times? This crap needs to be called out for what it is.

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Feb 15, 2018, 10:18 AM

He was just trying to block the layup, it’s not like he was trying to take Mitchell out of the game. And to be honest all those coaches probably would’ve done what Brownell did, Make sure his player is ok.

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Feb 15, 2018, 10:39 AM

Based on your logic there should never be any fouls, as defensive players are always trying to steal the ball, or block the shot so any contact is just based on their effort to play defense.

I'm sure the FSU player didn't intentionally try to take him out of the game, but when you jump above a player, bring your arms down with force, and make forcible contact with the offensive players head that is a foul 99% of the time.

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Feb 15, 2018, 11:14 AM

I’m not saying it wasn’t a foul, it was a foul, but the original post was acting like the Florida State kid was trying to take Mitchell out of the game. What should Brownell have done? Argued with the refs and get a technical?

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Nothing. It was inadverdent

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Feb 15, 2018, 10:23 AM

And you can't see it unless it's in slow motion.

That happens all the time and they never call it.

It's fantasy to think you get that call.

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That's simply incorrect, they call fouls for inadvertent

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Feb 15, 2018, 10:41 AM

contact with the opponents head all the time.

Not to mention it's hard to be inadvertent when you bring your arms down while you're above another player, that's actually quite the opposite.

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Aren't 99% of all fouls - inadvertent?

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Feb 15, 2018, 11:04 AM

in·ad·vert·ent
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adjective
not resulting from or achieved through deliberate planning.

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Can a play be inadvertent and a flagrant foul? I think so ..

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Feb 15, 2018, 11:05 AM

But maybe someone can confirm.

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Re: Can a play be inadvertent and a flagrant foul? I think so ..

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Feb 15, 2018, 11:12 AM

d. Flagrant 2 personal foul.
A flagrant 2 personal foul is a personal foul that involves contact with an opponent that is not only excessive, but also severe or extreme while the ball is live. In determining whether a foul has risen to the level of a flagrant 2, officials should consider the following:
1. The severity of the contact;

2. Whether a player is making a legitimate effort to block a shot. Note that a player may still be assessed a flagrant 2 foul on an attempted blocked shot when there are other factors such as hard contact to the head or the defender winding up or emphatically following through with the contact);

3. The potential for injury resulting from the contact (e.g., a blow to the head or a foul committed while the player was in a vulnerable position), and

4 Any contact by the offending player to the groin area of an opponent which is not clearly accidental. Note: The above acts represent examples of potential flagrant 2 fouls. Other acts may also qualify, if they meet the criteria of being not only excessive but also severe or extreme.

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So CBB & AD should be challenging the ACC. Similar to FB ...

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Feb 15, 2018, 1:07 PM

Intentions (which rarely can be determined) do not come into play.

It seems that upon replay there was indisputably “hard contact to the head”and “potential for injury resultant from contact”. The officiating crew even upon video evidence and reflection ignored an easy Flagrant 2.

If the same play happens to Grayson Allen on Sunday, it will be called differently - and the media storyline will also be different.

You don’t have to be a conspiracy nut to recognize bias.

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