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Chad Kelly - First Hand Account

emoji_events [21]
Sep 5, 2012, 5:27 PM

Just wanted to clear everything up about Chad. This is my dad's account but I'm using it for now. I'm a freshman at Clemson, and I'm taking the same course that Chad was in today when him and the professor got into an argument. Basically, the professor told Chad he was being childish and needed to grow up because Chad tried to start something with one of the baseball players last Friday. The argument last Friday happened as soon as class was over outside of the building, and the professor saw it. So today, he told the entire class that one student(Swag Kelly) acted childish and a bit immature and he will call the police next time something like this happens. He also said the baseball player, who I will not name, handled it very well by simply walking away. Chad then decided to mouth off at the professor. They had a few words back and forth, and Chad was mad at the professor for calling him out in front of the entire class. Also, the professor called him out for wearing his hood on in the building. After the argument, Chad put his head down and went to sleep. As for the cops, some idiotic student decided to call the cops during class. Other than that, we can all agree that Mr. Swag Kelly has some serious growing up to do.

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Re: Chad Kelly - First Hand Account

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:28 PM

What about the hookers?

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COLLEGE: A three-year starter at strong safety for Clemson, finished his career with 234 tackles and 11 interceptions.


prob one of those liberal ##### profs that think athletics gets too

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:04 PM

much money and that tenured profs should get bigger pay raises than Football coaches that have to perform or be fired.

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Re: prob one of those liberal ##### profs that think athletics gets too

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:39 PM

The very same one. You know him. The guy who, despite having an iq in the 140s, cant grasp the concept that the quiz bowl team isn't putting 85000 a$$es in DV 7 saturdays a year.

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Re: prob one of those liberal ##### profs that think athletics gets too

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:46 PM

Or PERHAPS CK brings this on himself!!! What a concept. He has a reputation for a reason. Going back to his first high school he wasn't thought of too fondly. He seems to have an attitude and carries a bad reputation wherever he goes. That's not just a coincidence.

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Re: prob one of those liberal ##### profs that think athletics gets too


Sep 5, 2012, 10:53 PM

gotta respect chad

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Re: prob one of those liberal ##### profs that think athletics gets too

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Sep 6, 2012, 9:25 AM

Now I see why the swim program was cancelled, too many dumb arses.

Tiger Swimmer wrote:
> prob one of those liberal ##### profs that think athletics >gets too much money and that tenured profs should get
>bigger pay raises than Football coaches that have to perform
> or be fired.

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Actually that post was pretty spot on.***


Sep 6, 2012, 10:27 AM



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Yeah. Good time as any to bring politics into it, huh?


Sep 6, 2012, 9:55 AM

This incident probably had more to do with this professor's classroom management skills than his political leanings.

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Re: Yeah. Good time as any to bring politics into it, huh?


Sep 6, 2012, 10:24 AM

Plus "liberal #####" seems redundant.

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COLLEGE: A three-year starter at strong safety for Clemson, finished his career with 234 tackles and 11 interceptions.


That's a good attitude. I'm sure it will get you far man.***


Sep 7, 2012, 3:49 PM



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Re: Chad Kelly - First Hand Account

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:28 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUH3JQjcweM

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if true..he prof should have acted as an adult..

emoji_events [30]
Sep 5, 2012, 5:30 PM

and pulled him aside and had a talk with him.instead of calling him out in front of the entire class

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Re: if true..he prof should have acted as an adult..

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:31 PM

Agree. What kind of grown adult calls out a student (much less a relatively important football player) in the middle of class? Prof should be fired.

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that isnt the point..to call him out in front of the..

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:33 PM

entire class over an incident that didnt even happen in the class or at the time he called him out is just overboard.i can see if the incident happened to day in said class.seems to me the professor was trying to make an example

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Re: that isnt the point..to call him out in front of the..


Sep 5, 2012, 5:35 PM

Setting is inconsequential. Sheltering football players is paramount to success on the field.

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i wouldnt care if he wasnt a football player..

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:36 PM

to call anyone out like that in the middle of class a day later when the incident didnt even happen in class is bs

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Re: i wouldnt care if he wasnt a football player..


Sep 5, 2012, 5:40 PM

I agree, i'd be pissed if i was an average student pumping 15k a year into a school only to be made to look like a d1ck in front of my peers for no reason. This should go double for football players, especially good ones, who generate considerably more $ for the university than any 1 professor.

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Lol

emoji_events [16]
Sep 5, 2012, 5:41 PM

First, two things
1. I have no idea if this is a true story
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2. I have no idea what the initial conflict started over

That said, the prof can run his class how he likes, and if he sees a football player (a student representing the school beyond the classroom) act a fool then it isn't BS to call him on it. I have no idea how it was handled (what was actually said) but if the story is true then I laugh at the folks who are painting the prof in a bad light. Don't want to get called out and embarrassed for acting foolishly? Don't act that way. And when an authority figure calls you on it don't be a punk about it.

Grow up indeed.

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Re: Lol


Sep 5, 2012, 5:45 PM

Pissing off important football players because some liberal blowhard prof got his panties in a knot? Sounds like a recipe for winning football.

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I can tell you have that skill of reading between the lines***


Sep 5, 2012, 5:57 PM



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Re: I can tell you have that skill of reading between the lines***

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:04 PM

Just waiting for my CNN job offer!

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^^^ PUNK? Look who's spewing their brown-nosed drivel^^^***


Sep 5, 2012, 5:50 PM



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Man, another good band name.***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:03 PM



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Re: Man, another good band name.***


Sep 5, 2012, 9:20 PM

Too funny. I thought that too. Very quick intellect.

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Exactly - well said.

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:11 PM

People who act like fools in public should expect to be called out.

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Wrong. Not his place, totally unprofessional.***

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:28 PM



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Ok, let's grant that


Sep 5, 2012, 6:29 PM

Still doesn't absolve Kelly of his purported reaction.

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I agree there, but the prof started it. The adult was being

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:33 PM

a petty child. I bet you my house had Chad not been an athlete, esp a FB player, that prof never would have done that. Totally uncalled for. Highly unprofessional.

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I can see that POV


Sep 5, 2012, 6:40 PM

My intention was never to defend the prof absolutely, but moreso to argue Kelly was still in the wrong.

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Of course he was but he's an 18 yo kid 4 months removed

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:46 PM

from high school. The prof is a grown man, a leader, a role model. He wasn't trying to discipline Chad, or counsel him, he wanted to make a high profile football player look stupid. That is totally unacceptable.

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How do you know all this?***

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:47 PM



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Common sense. Besides even if it were not an athlete the

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:51 PM

prof is still wrong and should be reprimanded and give a public apology.

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Ha, common sense? You weren't there.....***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:52 PM



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We are all working of the OP. My opinion is based on that.

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:56 PM

If the OP is true, the prof is an ### and a jerk and handled a situation poorly that was none of his business.

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If the OP is correct then the prof acted properly.....***


Sep 5, 2012, 7:31 PM



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Sep 5, 2012, 7:34 PM

Except for the whole "being an adult/professor and calling out a student for a completely unrelated event in front of all his peers" part, i'd say the prof handled it swimmingly.

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If the OP is correct then it was related.....

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Sep 5, 2012, 7:38 PM

It didn't say he called him out personally....We just don't know all of the facts....I'm sure University officials will take care of it properly.

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The prof should have talked to Chad privately or called Dabo


Sep 5, 2012, 7:43 PM

He had no grounds to do this publicly. None.

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If the OP is correct then I believe he did.....***


Sep 5, 2012, 7:44 PM



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What ru reading? The OP clearly states the prof made an


Sep 5, 2012, 7:46 PM

issue out of this in front of the entire class. That is not in private, and frankly, it was none of the profs business. He should have called Dabo after witnessing the argument the day before.

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What planet do you live on? Since when do teachers get to

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Sep 5, 2012, 7:41 PM

call out students and ridicule them in front of other students, esp for something that happened outside the classroom? Get your head out your rear. A high school teacher would be on the evening news and suspended for this.

Was Chad wrong? Yes! But so was the prof, who is the adult.

Regarding the altercation, unless punches are thrown, or it's a big group thing, you don't call the cops. This professor is a moron. People argue every day.

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Sep 5, 2012, 8:38 PM

Happened at the Citadel all the time. Just sayin'.

Any other bulldogs here ever have Col. Alexander in the English Dept?

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Thats a totally different situation. It's a military school


Sep 5, 2012, 8:42 PM

Totally different rules, expectations, codes of conduct, and responsibility by professors.

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Re: Thats a totally different situation. It's a military school


Sep 5, 2012, 8:49 PM

It's still college. I'm sust saying I saw it happen more than once, and it was pretty much always justified. Chad could use a good dose of the 4th class system IMHO. A little humility wouldn't hurt him....

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Maybe but you are making a lot of assumptions and even if


Sep 5, 2012, 8:56 PM

he does, in this situation, the prof was dead wrong. He should have called Dabo, or if he wanted to address Chad personally, he should have pulled him aside after class. This is not a military school. Students have more rights and freedoms. The prof handled this all wrong.

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Re: Maybe but you are making a lot of assumptions and even if

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Sep 5, 2012, 10:01 PM

> he does, in this situation, the prof was dead wrong.
> He should have called Dabo

###?!?!?!

Clemson is first and foremost a university. You know, classes, books, etc.
Ask Mike Bellamy how your warped sense of protocol and priority work out at one of those places that actually gives a darn about education.

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Sep 6, 2012, 8:11 AM

So let's just pet Chad because he acted like a punk?

That's what's wrong with the youth now. They act like a moron then cry when someone get's on their a$$.

The prof. didn't call him out by name!!! Chad choose to run his mouth instead of listen. I'd have ask him to leave the class if he fell asleep!!! Then called Dabo and told him mr.swag is going to fail if he can't stay a wake

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are you kidding? Who cares who calls him out if he's acting

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Sep 6, 2012, 8:43 AM

like an idiot he deserves to be embarassed. What planet do you live on?

He's a spoiled brat that doesn't understand that he's in an adult/grown up world now. He's still young and stupid and thinks he's in high school. I knew alot of 18 year olds that were still acting like this in their first year of college. They either straighten up or they usually are no enrolled the next year because they did something stupid.

Honestly I don't see this kid panning out because he's a Stephen Garcia in the making.

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All-knowing A$$hat who actually knows nothing. PUNK.***

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Sep 6, 2012, 9:17 AM



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Re: Thats a totally different situation. It's a military school


Sep 6, 2012, 10:27 AM

There's a reason good football recruits aren't beatin down the doors o go to el Cid. You know, because they want to go to COLLEGE.

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And Clemson....


Sep 6, 2012, 10:32 AM

is the school where most guys transferred after they couldn't hack it and dropped out...

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Re: Of course he was but he's an 18 yo kid 4 months removed

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Sep 5, 2012, 7:14 PM

This would never happen at my school. If it was high school...then yeah the teacher would be wrong. but this is college!!!! A time when you need to learn to grow up, and take responsibility for your actions!

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Then the adult, the prof, needs to step up, he was wrong.***


Sep 5, 2012, 7:44 PM



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Re: I agree there, but the prof started it. The adult was being


Sep 6, 2012, 11:01 AM

With all the special treatment our athletes already get, I don't want to hear it. Have you been to Vickery Hall? These kids have people dragging them to class, forcing them to do their homework, helping them study, and setting them up with the best possible schedule.

If you're a FB player at CU you get coddled enough. If you act like an ###, you deserve to get called out for it. The best way to deal with bravado is to publicly shame it.

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ill give you that..chad does need to grow up..

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:37 PM

but kids his age take better to you pulling them aside and setting them straight.calling him out in a class full of kids is only going to make him angry.you solve nothing by doing that

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You guys are nuts .... You'd rather let an athlete get away

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Sep 6, 2012, 9:00 AM

with just about anything for the sake of winning football games; meanwhile professors are expecting the non-student athletes to perform as expected academically. I love Clemson sports but right is right, and if I see a student-athlete getting away with ######## I expect him to be called out on it.
Maybe when some of you students on this board get out in the real world you'll see that some times you work with people who are lazy, selfish and only looking out for themselves. Those are the kinds of people who only respond to being called out openly before their peers before realizing they need a serious attitude check.

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What a FAR-reaching deduction from what is 'known'.


Sep 6, 2012, 9:07 AM

Jump on the self-righteous bandwagon and stomp on someone with a gang-like mentality when you don't even know what was said or who instigated what. Who's acting like a PUNK now?

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Re: What a FAR-reaching deduction from what is 'known'.


Sep 6, 2012, 11:02 AM

Well, that's what the other group is doing to the professor...

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You could be right - if it was simply a matter of an athlete

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Sep 5, 2012, 7:26 PM

-hating prof singling out a football player, then yes.

Either way, if there is anything to these stories about Kelly's behavior, then he certainly has an attitude problem and needs to be reined in by somebody. And, I still say that people who behave badly in public are fair game for public disapproval.

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An adult egging on an 18 yo is simply unprofessional. Esp to

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Sep 5, 2012, 7:47 PM

do it publicly.

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Depends on the facts.....


Sep 5, 2012, 7:51 PM

Egging is unprofessional.... disciplining and or warning would be proper....

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He has no right to discipline a student for anything outside


Sep 5, 2012, 8:36 PM

his classroom. None. Esp an athlete. He should call the head coach.

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I disagree.....


Sep 6, 2012, 12:54 AM

If it's warranted....

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Sounds fair to me!***


Sep 5, 2012, 8:01 PM



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He was MOUTHING OFF to the professor in the class.

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:10 PM

I've tossed a basketball player out of one of my classes before for mouthing off. I let him back in the next day, but if I tell a student to do something, they do it, just like if your boss tells you to do something, you do it, or you go find another job.

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Re: He was MOUTHING OFF to the professor in the class.


Sep 5, 2012, 6:20 PM

Not so much when it comes to professional athletes, especially bball players.

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Mouthing off or responding to chastisement? Powertripping?***

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:24 PM



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LOL! Yea b/c the ###### bag prof was being unprofessional.***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:26 PM



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Re: LOL! Yea b/c the ###### bag prof was being unprofessional.***


Sep 5, 2012, 7:46 PM

the prof has probably never even practiced what he is teaching in the real world, never been outside of academia.

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First day of class


Sep 5, 2012, 7:16 PM

last year the professors first words were. "Im the boss in this classroom, if you act out of line, you're out. you can come back tomorrow with a clean slate though"

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If you have college students mouthing off in your class


Sep 6, 2012, 9:51 AM

then you need to visit some class room management guide books. I am not trying to sound mean and I don't know your exact situation granted but still. I have taught high school, middle school, and elementary - rarely have had those kinds of problems.

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What a stupid comment.***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:20 PM



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Probably the stupidest post in the history of TigerNet***


Sep 5, 2012, 7:59 PM



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Re: Probably the stupidest post in the history of TigerNet***


Sep 5, 2012, 8:07 PM

that post must sure be awful because that covers some very stupid post!!!LMAO

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Exactly !! *****

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:31 PM



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Re: if true..he prof should have acted as an adult..

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:34 PM

Did the professor mention him specifically by name or did CK tell on himself when he spoke up? I've had professors use situations involving students and questionable behavior to help teach us all a life lesson and they never called the person out by name.

Now if the professor called him out, then that was just downright stupid.

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thats the point i was making..

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:35 PM

if the story is true and he called him out personally that is total bs.

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Agreed***


Sep 5, 2012, 5:37 PM



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The ONLY way it should have been handled. Professor? Huh!***

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maybe he needed to be called out.. my guess is he was


Sep 6, 2012, 8:48 AM

still mouthing off in the classroom and you either deal with it then or have a situation build up until it blows up.

How anyone could take up for the idiot thats causing all the problems is a perfect picture of the change in our society. Coddle the trouble makers because it's not their fault. I'm 32 years old and would be in favor of the professor kicking him out of his class for acting like an idiot. You can't ignore idiots they just keep going if you do.

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I am a teacher and this is exactly right.


Sep 6, 2012, 9:33 AM

The teacher is completely wrong in this case (and believe me, I don't say that much). I am not saying that Chad handled this right either but the professor was out of line and any decent administrator at any school would agree. Teacher should be reprimanded.

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Oh and the kid who texted the police?


Sep 6, 2012, 9:40 AM

Classic behavior of a student only trying to get class interrupted further. Seems to be a mighty unorganized class. You shouldn't have class room management problems like this in college, even in freshman classes.

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:31 PM

I have no reason to doubt you. And, I concur, if things played out as stated, Kelly has a lot of growing up to do.

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So does the professor.***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:35 PM



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Can't deny that, either.***


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Re: Chad Kelly - First Hand Account

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:34 PM

If a professor did that to anybody they would be pretty upset. I know I would be. If he did call him out like that he should look in the mirror before telling someone to grow up.

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agreed..also the prof needs to take..


Sep 5, 2012, 5:40 PM

into account that the kid is only around 17-18 years old.kids that age dont take kindly to being called out like that.pull him aside for a private one on one chat would have worked best

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He sounds like a first class ########

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:35 PM

hth.

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Re: He sounds like a first class ########


Sep 5, 2012, 5:43 PM

As long as he can play...

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Dude...don't make us look like UGA and USC fans.


Sep 5, 2012, 5:53 PM

We actually do care if our players act like self-important d-bags.

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Re: Dude...don't make us look like UGA and USC fans.


Sep 5, 2012, 5:56 PM

Some have called Elway, Brady, and Namath self important dbags.

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Re: Dude...don't make us look like UGA and USC fans.


Sep 5, 2012, 6:00 PM

Don't group me in with that "we."

You can be arrogant and still not cause problems in the locker room.

Phillip Rivers and John Elway come to mind.

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Re:He can be whatever he wants to be as long as he gets


Sep 5, 2012, 6:39 PM

the job done. I don;t plan to be around him anyway.

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Re: He sounds like a first class ########


Sep 5, 2012, 5:50 PM

Last Friday? Chad was in Atlanta!

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Interesting point!


Sep 5, 2012, 6:25 PM

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Who took the dump on the desk? I am pretty sure that is


Sep 5, 2012, 5:46 PM

the most important thing here

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I knew it was you without even looking at the name!***


Sep 5, 2012, 8:23 PM



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well, you know how I'm willing to ask the tough questions


Sep 7, 2012, 5:36 PM

that everyone wants to know .....

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My take, for what's it's worth

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Sep 5, 2012, 5:53 PM

First and foremost, I hate egotistical jerks. However, even IF this story is true, the professor is in the wrong. By this account, the initial conflict happened OUTSIDE the building, making it none of the prof's business. The prof has every right to control his/her classroom, and to some degree, the common areas of the building, but not outside. Indeed, the prof overstepped. That being said, I don't mind swagger on the field, but not off.

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Maybe the prof has a problem with athletes.***

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Think he'll make an "A" in the class?***


Sep 5, 2012, 5:56 PM



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Sep 5, 2012, 6:04 PM

Professor never stated Chad's name. He just referred to him as one of his students. Chad was the one that said "Why do you have to call me out in front of the entire class?" Professor never directly stated his name.

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All hearsay until we see some proof***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:05 PM



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Actually not hearsay


Sep 5, 2012, 6:16 PM

Maybe false evidence, but it's not hearsay since the initial post claims to have actually witnessed the event.

Hearsay would be if the OP said he heard from someone else in the room about what happened.

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Re:Link?***


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Please do not use someone else's account

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:06 PM

If you have something to say, own it.

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Re: Chad Kelly - First Hand Account

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:06 PM

First of all, I can't imagine a professor would have used any specific student's name anecdotally trying to make a point about his opinion of acceptable behavior. CK may have actually volunteered his identity rather being singled out, I don't know. Secondly, if the prof DID ID CK specifically, that was wrong to do no matter what the kid's status was and should have been dealt with one on one and not in a public forum like that. Lack of maturity notwithstanding there's no need to humiliate anybody that way.

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Maybe Chad Kelly missed an opportunity to be a leader

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:10 PM

regardless of the initial circumstances.

Could have taken the lead to show respect to a fellow Clemson athlete, fellow students and a Professor.

Whether right or wrong to start, making it right at the end would show leadership and character. Arguing and pouting seem to be indicators of being self centered.

But who knows for sure what transpired?

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You put it better than I did. Point.***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:13 PM



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He's an 18 yo kid being made to look foolish by an adult by


Sep 5, 2012, 6:43 PM

a professor in front of a class full of other students. The professor is in the wrong here as he instigated this. Chad certainly could have handled it better, but most 18 year olds would respond that way. Some would have whooped that professor's ###! If I were Chad I would have said "FU" and walked out of class and gone straight to the dean's office or Barker and demanded a public apology.

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Were you there and saw the whole thing?***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:45 PM



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No. Neither were you. But based on the info in the OP the


Sep 5, 2012, 6:49 PM

prof was the instigator and unprofessional. If you have more info, present it, but as is, the prof was very unprofessional and childish and should be reprimanded and he owes Chad a public apology.

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21 NOT 18***


Sep 5, 2012, 10:03 PM



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This sounds ridiculous***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:12 PM



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Regardless of who is "right", you can't win here

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:18 PM

Sounds like the prof and CK both have some growing up to do. For the prof there is a time and place for everything and the middle (or beginning) of class isn't likely it. For CK, he needs to avoid taking everything so personally and ignore some things - that comes with maturity.

I guess I expect college students to over-react sometimes but expect more from the prof.

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I call BS!! Arguments happen, that prof had NO business

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:18 PM

getting involved and certainly had no business trying to make Kelly look foolish in front of the class. If the prof wanted to approach Kelly in private after class so be it, but what he did was more childish than Kelly's argument. He intentionally wanted to belittle Kelly publicly. If I were Kelly I'd demand a public apology. Professors are suppose to be mature adults, role models, not petty instigators.

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Shazam!!! I agree with the Lowcount Raccoon. Point, sir. +1.***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:23 PM



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If the OP is true


Sep 5, 2012, 6:25 PM

Then he didn't call out Kelly directly. Not sure it's the right move on the part of the prof, but it clearly, to me, was the wrong move for Kelly to react as he did.

Again this is entirely based on the OP's account. I have zero idea if that is accurate.

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When did the team leave for Atlanta? Friday classes early?***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:28 PM



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If the OP is true the prof is a a-hole and a jerk.***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:54 PM



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The OP reads as if Kelly was in the wrong....


Sep 5, 2012, 6:56 PM

I wasn't there, neither were you.... some corroborating information would have to be brought up before I'd base an opinion and make up facts though.

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Both were wrong, but thats not the point, this was started


Sep 5, 2012, 6:57 PM

by the adult, the professor.

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That's where we disagree


Sep 5, 2012, 7:05 PM

I see it as being started by Kelly in getting into the initial altercation.

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If that is the real case....


Sep 5, 2012, 7:20 PM

the prof has to keep control of the class and protect the other students.... Again, there aren't enough facts to really know.

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If it happened in hi class yes, but it was not even in the


Sep 5, 2012, 7:52 PM

building. It wasn't a fight, it was an argument. The prof handled this ALL wrong!!

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The OP said it was outside the class.... as in the hallway..


Sep 5, 2012, 7:54 PM

Depends on the facts which we don't know......

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Wrong, typical tnet know it all saying we don't know the


Sep 5, 2012, 8:40 PM

facts after clearly not actually reading and comprehending the OP.

Let me help you .... from the OP ...

"happened as soon as class was over outside of the building, and the professor saw it"

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Wrong. People have arguments, kids have arguments, that


Sep 5, 2012, 7:50 PM

prof has no right to call Chad out in public. He could of done that after the fight. He intentionally waited till the next day to embarrass Chad in front of the class. That is totally unprofessional.

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Sounds like you were there and saw the whole thing?***


Sep 5, 2012, 8:27 PM



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Again I'm not speculating like you are, my opinion is based


Sep 5, 2012, 8:44 PM

purely on the facts presented in the OP. Facts you have incorrect.

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I've based mine on the read of the OP also....


Sep 6, 2012, 12:56 AM

If the OP is correct.... and 80% agree with me....

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I see you have plenty of responses

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Sep 5, 2012, 6:35 PM

so I don't guess 1 more is going matter.
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I don't know if all this is true...but if it is,I'm
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that I'd bet on.***


Sep 5, 2012, 6:38 PM



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Does he actually go by "Swag"? If so...that the


Sep 5, 2012, 6:54 PM

first problem before we even get into more problems.

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Impossible, Chad Kelly goes to Clemson, not your school.***


Sep 5, 2012, 7:06 PM



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Time to drop that class.


Sep 5, 2012, 7:35 PM

Stupid Lib teacher is probably still mad his only girl in high school left him for a football player.

Nice public call out Liberal Teacher guy.

Stay Classy Chad.

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the professor should have pulled him to the side instead of


Sep 5, 2012, 7:36 PM

trying to Embarrass him... If you try to do that to me I'm going to act like bad ### too

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and we don't know what exactly happened with the other

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Sep 5, 2012, 7:40 PM

student... I'm not saying I like chad kelly's attitude from what I've heard on TNET (I'm sure its all facts), but what if the other student was being a D!ck and foolish, CK might of just been standing up for himself

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If the professor saw a problem with him


Sep 5, 2012, 7:45 PM

Should have pulled him aside.....

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Professors name?***


Sep 5, 2012, 7:47 PM



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Don't know about the Prof...


Sep 5, 2012, 8:46 PM

But apparently it was (ironically) in Sociology class...

https://twitter.com/madison_lin/status/243370186697224193

https://twitter.com/BlairCody22/status/243369716268277760

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"Stalwart universities—Harvard, Princeton, Yale—most certainly offer status. The Citadel offers character. "


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Sep 5, 2012, 7:53 PM

Dabo just said that 2 people fussing at each other is not news...lol...said Kelly needs to get a thicker skin

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Quote from Dabo

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Sep 5, 2012, 7:59 PM

on the tnet interview today "no that's rediculous, not if you think two guys yelling at someone is news worthy"

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Sep 5, 2012, 8:01 PM

"yelling at each other" not someone

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Brad Brownell: more losses than any other coach in school history.


Thanks for clearing it up


Sep 5, 2012, 8:05 PM

I had heard Swag had a pizza delivered to class and the professor made an example out of him; by taking it away and letting everyone except for Swag have some.

By the way, which professor was it?
tia

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Re: Thanks for clearing it up

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Sep 5, 2012, 10:37 PM

Dr. Hand?

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Life is....


Sep 5, 2012, 8:41 PM

10% what happens to you and 90% how you react to it...

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20% what happens to you and 80% how you react seems right***


Sep 5, 2012, 8:47 PM



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And grown men should be better at handling 18 yo kids


Sep 5, 2012, 8:48 PM

right out of high school and take the high road, be an example, not egg them on and instigate something that was none of his business.

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2 things I take from this.


Sep 5, 2012, 9:37 PM

1. Chad needs to grow up.
2. The prof needs to grow up too. He handled it about as poorly as possible.

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Re: 2 things I take from this.


Sep 5, 2012, 9:42 PM

And all who are so invested in this to post to this need to get a life. Me included. The fact that there's so many with so much time as to really care about this tells me we are a bountiful society with no real economic problems!

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Everybody knows that swaggerewolfs wear hoodies***


Sep 5, 2012, 9:45 PM



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Sep 5, 2012, 10:40 PM

While Chad is immature and needs to grow up, sounds like the professor needs to as well. Or at the very least be enrolled in a class on how to handle situations with students. Infront of the entire class is not needed.

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not ever-with any age student-prof needs to get over himself***


Sep 6, 2012, 12:03 AM



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First off if your a male you shouldn't be providing gossip..

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Sep 6, 2012, 12:33 AM

fodder on what happened in a college class room on an internet message board under an anonymous name. Secondly, if that is a true story, then the Professor acted just as childish as Chad Kelly and made the situation worse than it already was.

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Clemson turn into a babysitting service or what?


Sep 6, 2012, 4:03 AM

Professors have no right to treat adults like children. I wonder if the old fart wasn't jealous of the fact that five years from now Chad probably will have earned more than a professor does in a lifetime.

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Sep 6, 2012, 7:48 AM

I don't know if it's an income thing. . .but I could definitely understand the professor's frustration with "teaching" a "class" that's really a facade, a place to put athletes while they pretend to go to college.
No, most kids at college don't act like Chad Kelly. In fact, most kids outgrow that crap by middle school.
I agree that there was no need for the prof to bring it up, but he's probably had enough of hoodie wearing swag already.

We should offer a team sports vocational major and quit forcing some kids with sub-par academic skills to pretend to be college students.

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Sep 6, 2012, 8:35 AM

The question really comes down to whether the professor said Chad Kelly's name or not in front of the class. Clearly whatever took place outside of class was bad enough that the professor remembered it and wanted to bring it up in class that that behavior is not acceptable at Clemson. I've had professors talk about what they've seen outside of class, learning isn't just confined to what is inside your textbook. However, if he did single out Chad by name, then the professor was unprofessional in doing so and should have talked to him before or after class (but from the OP's account it doesn't sound like Chad was singled out - who knows....)

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Sounds like the professor has as much growing up to do as


Sep 6, 2012, 8:36 AM

Swag Kelly. Must be a coot at heart

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How could anyone fault the professor for calling this idiot

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Sep 6, 2012, 8:53 AM

out. I'm sure it was hey if you wanna keep running your mouth you can leave or be escorted out of my classroom. If you think for a second he wasn't still running his mouth you're crazy. He probably got his feelings hurt and couldn't handle it...just like my 3 year old does.

This is college..not high school. If you start running your mouth trying to start a fight in a public place anywhere you will have security or an authority figure deal with you. The kid needs to understand he's not getting sent to the principals office anymore he's getting charged with something..

He's just an idiot 18 year old that needs a dose of reality and he'll either straighten up or won't be enrolled much longer.

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^^^ Authority on IDIOCY ^^^ PUNK piling on late.***

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Sep 6, 2012, 9:11 AM



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I remember....


Sep 6, 2012, 10:23 AM

one of my Profs freshman year at the Citadel telling a mom on parents day that her son had no chance of passing his class.

Her reply was "But he made straight A's in High School."
His retorted, "Madame, your son is not in High School anymore, and he has no chance of passing my class. Good day...."

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Here's what actually happened...


Sep 6, 2012, 8:58 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9huSs0g67c

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Sep 6, 2012, 9:43 AM

Kudos to the BASEBALL player for being the one unquestionably bright and mature person in this situation. Each year Jack has a marathon meeting with all of the players when they get back to school. In that meeting they are told in no uncertain terms how they are supposed to deal with professors, teammates, female students, etc. They are also told that they will not embarrass their school, their coaches, or their parents. Do they always live up to this? Of course not. But Jack does his best to leave nothing to chance.

Well done Clemson baseball.

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Excellent point***


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Sep 6, 2012, 10:07 AM

Many of you are bashing the professor here, and claiming him to be a "liberal, hippie, athlete-hater." I don't think that's fair at all.

While I wasn't there, and don't know exactly what happened, the OP did clarify that the professor never singled CK out in class; Kelly himself volunteered his own identity in regard to what the professor was talking about. Many of you say that the professor has no right to bring up something that happened outside of class, in class -- and there's some truth to that. But, it's certainly possible that the altercation started in class (through class discussion or something) and then continued, and escalated after class. In that case, the professor does have a right to address it.

These assertions that the professor should be fired or have to meet with the dean are ridiculous. Contrary to what a lot of you seem to think, I think we should give the professor the benefit of the doubt, rather than an 18-year old kid (who happens to be a known instigator). If we learn more that casts the professor in an unfavorable light, then we'll go from there.

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Agreed 110%***


Sep 6, 2012, 11:23 AM



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Thanks, Chief. Guess we got our marching orders, but where?***


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