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All-In [43989]
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Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 1:59 PM
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its current policies and procedures in light of our recent rash of injuries?
At some point, we can't simply blame these injuries on football being a violent and unpredictable sport.
If it were up to me - which thankfully, it isn't - I would take a very close look at every aspect of our program: practice routine, drills, weight room, recovery, nutrition, etc. Perhaps there are some answers there.
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Athletic Dir [889]
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Injuries happen
Aug 12, 2022, 2:02 PM
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The faster you run. The more hard you cut. The stronger and heavier you are. All these thing make injuries happen more. Look at other college and pro football teams.
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Yes, I realize that injuries happen.
Aug 12, 2022, 2:04 PM
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Isn't it also possible that there are things we could be doing better to help prevent them?
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Re: Yes, I realize that injuries happen.
Aug 12, 2022, 2:16 PM
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It would be an interesting study (and I have no clue where you'd find the data), on just how we compare or rank to the power 5 average.
That said, It'd be next to impossible to determine which teams may be using banned substances etc. I truly believe we'd compare favorable with others. Plus Dabo's an excellent manager and probably errs on the side of caution so as to NOT damage a kid's future. Jmho.
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I have no reason to suspect that anything illegal
Aug 12, 2022, 2:23 PM
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is going on.
But we know that all teams in major college football work very hard. They utilize the maximum allowed practice time. They all push themselves in the weight room, in agility drills, etc. They also focus on nutrition, proper recovery, high quality medical care, etc.
There are strict rules in place regarding the number of practices that can be held, as well as the proportion of those practices which can be full contact or partial contact. Therefore, injury rates should be fairly consistent from one team to another. When there are outliers, that should get our attention.
We know that we have so many advantages in place when it comes to the player experience at Clemson, which is why an injury rate that we are seeing recently seems all the more unexpected.
I'd also be interested in seeing how our injury rate these last couple of years compares to other power 5 programs.
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Re: I have no reason to suspect that anything illegal
Aug 12, 2022, 4:29 PM
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There you are again. Throwing dirt at the football program.
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Re: Yes, I realize that injuries happen.
Aug 12, 2022, 5:47 PM
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Wow, a TD for saying Dabo runs a great program and that he runs a clean program and takes care of the kids... Unlike an uga that rushes a back 50 times a game until they're shredded. Oh well, guess someone doesn't like Dabo. Who knows.
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Re: Yes, I realize that injuries happen.
Aug 12, 2022, 6:42 PM
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Georgia hands the ball to the same back 50 times per game? Have you ever watched a UGA game?
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Re: Yes, I realize that injuries happen.
Aug 13, 2022, 10:51 AM
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Obviously, he’s thinking of Herschel Walker days. Georgia’s leading rusher a year ago averaged about 10 carries per game. I love Clemson, but some fans here have the brains of a 3rd grade special Ed student
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Look at Bama last few years
Aug 12, 2022, 3:00 PM
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Last year meechie and Williams injuries cost them the natty.
Year before smith and waddle.
When it is us we just notice it more and we seemed to be extremely lucky years before the last two.
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Athletic Dir [889]
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Look at Bama last few years
Aug 12, 2022, 3:00 PM
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Last year meechie and Williams injuries cost them the natty.
Year before smith and waddle.
When it is us we just notice it more and we seemed to be extremely lucky years before the last two.
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The most prudent & responsible thing to do is...
Aug 12, 2022, 4:46 PM
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Liquidate all assets that are part of basketball program and purchase a few cryotherapy recovery chambers for the football program-(basketball program would be dissolved of course)a better investment, fiscally wise
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That’s essentially what we did for decades in basketball.
Aug 12, 2022, 6:45 PM
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Just short of dissolving the program.
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Glad we agree, the cryotherapy chambers would be beneficial and a wise investment...
Aug 12, 2022, 7:44 PM
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& we'd actually see returns unlike basketball-
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Interesting: Brad has yet to make B2B NCAAT appearances
Aug 12, 2022, 8:16 PM
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despite seeing increased basketball spend during his tenure…
Both Barnes and Purnell went to 3 straight. Heck even Cliff Ellis went B2B and 3 out of 4.
Barnes did it in 4 seasons, OP in 7, and here we are headed into year 13 with Brad.
Clemson winning %'s and NCAAT appearances below:
Brad Brownell(2011-present) - 56.8% (3 NCAAT)
Oliver Purnell(2004-2010) - 61.1% (3 NCAAT in a row)
Larry Shyatt(1999-2003) - 45.5% (0 NCAAT)
Rick Barnes(1995-1998) - 60.7% (3 NCAAT in a row)
Cliff Ellis(1984-1994) - 58.1% (3 NCAAT in 4 years)
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i can tell you 100%
Aug 12, 2022, 2:02 PM
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Re: i can tell you 100%
Aug 12, 2022, 2:06 PM
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I can't imagine that all these aren't followed........
Aug 12, 2022, 2:05 PM
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carefully and closely as Dabo fully understands their importance to the health of athletes. He knows how badly injuries can affect our success.
Sometimes it's just bad luck and hard to blame on an off-the-field reason.
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I'm confident that they are followed closely.
Aug 12, 2022, 2:08 PM
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I'm just curious as to what might've changed in terms of practice, strength/conditioning, recovery, etc. in the past couple of years which could possibly account for what we are seeing.
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Re: I'm confident that they are followed closely.
Aug 12, 2022, 4:37 PM
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Ask Brad
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MVP [533]
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Brad's past comments regarding the football program...
Aug 12, 2022, 7:55 PM
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certainly provide motive, even though it's rooted in a paranoid delusion of his own psychosis. He's not above sabotage when it involves the football program(see his former assistant's phone convo w/ FBI agent).
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Re: Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 2:06 PM
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Bring back the ostarine.
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Re: Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 8:01 PM
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Should have never left and commenced with an all-out full-on global search for the latest masking agent-
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Re: Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 2:09 PM
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If football was basketball, where really only 8-9 guys are needed, maybe a coach would have less live action in practice but it is not. A football has to hit, has to find at least a 2 deep roster and with all the freshmen that come in every year, the coaches have to find out what they can do. We will see if Dabo makes any changes but coaches coach and he probably will not change much if anything.
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All-In [43989]
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I realize that football is a violent sport
Aug 12, 2022, 2:14 PM
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and injuries can happen.
I'm not suggesting that Dabo needs to be the one making any changes. Perhaps it's something the strength and conditioning coaches need to re-evaluate. Maybe something the medical staff needs to look into. Or maybe we don't need to change anything at all, but hopefully it is being evaluated because it seems like we are seeing a lot more injuries lately than we did even a few years ago.
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Did you do any research on that claim?
Aug 12, 2022, 4:26 PM
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"seems like we are seeing a lot more injuries lately than we did even a few years ago."
We had 15 out (10 starters) in September of 2001, and that was the first thing I opened on a google search, and 5 of those were at WR. I have to admit though, I can't rule out that the injury bug comes around every 20 years.
https://www.tigernet.com/clemson-football/story/clemson-football-injury-update-1321
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Wish we could say the same about
Aug 12, 2022, 4:52 PM
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keller . . . .
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Re: Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 2:10 PM
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Shoes. Sometimes you need to fall down. If these fancy shoes grip better, something has to give.
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“We can’t blame injuries on a violent, unpredictable sport.”
Aug 12, 2022, 2:13 PM
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All-In [43989]
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Perhaps you should get my statement correct.
Aug 12, 2022, 2:17 PM
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I actually said:
"At some point, we can't simply blame these injuries on football being a violent and unpredictable sport."
An injury rate that is higher than would be suspected, which is maintained over a reasonable period of time to constitute a trend, isn't necessarily due to just random chance.
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Odds....
Aug 12, 2022, 2:19 PM
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happen...
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Surely there is a point at which you would start to
Aug 12, 2022, 2:24 PM
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wonder if something isn't amiss.
Everything isn't as random as you seem to think it is.
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Re: Surely there is a point at which you would start to
Aug 12, 2022, 2:47 PM
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Apparently there is no such point for basketball so why football?
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Karen be like
Aug 12, 2022, 2:25 PM
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Re: Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 2:28 PM
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Or maybe we wait and see how many of these
Aug 12, 2022, 2:28 PM
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are bangs and bruises where precautions are being taken and how many are players actually hurt. One receiver has a hematoma. That's a bruise, I know, shocking in football
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Thanks for stating the obvious.
Aug 12, 2022, 4:19 PM
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Of course we will see how many of these are significant and which ones are minor.
That attitude doesn’t answer my question though, unless your answer is that you don’t care.
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Orange Blooded [4804]
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You remind me of a guy who sits on a business committee
Aug 12, 2022, 4:33 PM
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with me.
He's a sick puppy. Everyone tenses up when they see him coming.
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Re: You remind me of a guy who sits on a business committee
Aug 12, 2022, 6:47 PM
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Yep, we are literally the ONLY team with practice injuries
Aug 12, 2022, 2:44 PM
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It just never happens at any other football program. So disconcerting.
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You’re right, all is well.
Aug 12, 2022, 4:20 PM
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Nothing to worry about. Everything is great.
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Hall of Famer [21815]
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Don't act like you're worried or concerned. You're just
Aug 12, 2022, 4:24 PM
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trolling and I'm confident that you want our football program to struggle. Just come out and admit it already...
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this is just sooo….
Aug 12, 2022, 3:10 PM
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mangey.
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Yes they are. Extensively.***
Aug 12, 2022, 4:55 PM
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No, And It's Not Because It's Not Warranted
Aug 12, 2022, 5:43 PM
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It's because Dabo wouldn't like the answer(s).
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Tell us more…***
Aug 12, 2022, 6:50 PM
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It’s the practice turf
Aug 12, 2022, 5:59 PM
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The indoor facilities, and maybe one or more outdoor fields have synthetic grass…
Pre-Covid I correlated the increase in injuries with resurfacing one of those fields…
That combined with the conditioning interruptions from the pandemic I believe are the culprits for last seasons injuries ….
Looking forward to a better season …
Go Tigers
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Very interesting! Thanks for sharing.***
Aug 12, 2022, 6:52 PM
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Re: Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 6:07 PM
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Football is a violent and unpredictable sport. We had great luck during the 2 Natty win seasons with injuries. Now, not so much.
I suspect that’s all there is to it.
Clemson fans are very aware of our own injury issues, not so much with other teams.
Maryland was down to a 5th QB a few years ago.
It could be other issues, but I doubt it.
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Re: Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 6:10 PM
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Which injuries are you referring to?
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Re: Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 6:10 PM
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Why don’t they hire a faith healer to knock the players in the head, and heal them. He/she/it could be on the sidelines with holy water, and if someone got a broke bone or hamstring or even just a cramp he/whatever could run out and anoint them. They would only miss one play (because of the rules) and return to the game. You would think some teams would do that, but I don’t know of any that does. Not even Oral Robert’s Eagles. Why not?
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Orange Blooded [4035]
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I wonder if you hunk basketball should do the same.
Aug 12, 2022, 6:48 PM
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Re: Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 11:02 PM
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Lol - you lost a full percent of your well protected pulse for this thread. Keep it up.
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Don’t worry, once he realizes, he’ll start a “positive”
Aug 12, 2022, 11:06 PM
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Football thread to try to manipulate some TUs out of people.
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Re: Does anyone know if our football program is re-evaluating
Aug 12, 2022, 11:56 PM
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You may go down as the first Clemson alumna used as poster board material.
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For once, JK, I agree with you. They can’t even make it through
Aug 13, 2022, 12:02 AM
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an early fall practice. How the €¥%# are they gonna survive the entire season? We haven’t even had our first game!!! FFS
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