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Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 6:40 PM

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  What Condition Characterizes You/Your Family    [Results]
 
I Paid For My Own Schooling 100%
I Took Out Loans and Will Get $10K or $20K in New Program
Other (Scholarship etc.)
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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 6:46 PM

If you didn’t work hard enough in high school to earn a full ride, maybe trade school is the route for you.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 7:40 PM

Ringknocker, that is just dumb. Scholarships are abundant but full rides (tuition, room and board) are few and far between.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 7:20 AM

Trade school should not be looked down upon. We are running out of tradesmen in this country. They may make more than the average college grad in the next 30 years.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 7:31 AM

I graduated college with a Marketing and Management degree, and most of my friends that went to trade school (Heavy Equipment, welding, etc.) are still making about as much as me, and most college grads. Hell, I have 4 close friends that went straight to work for UPS out of high school, and all 4 are making a little over $100K a year. There are plenty of options for people that actually want to work.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 9:46 AM [ in reply to Re: Paying For College Poll ]

https://www.wltx.com/article/news/education/free-tuition-to-south-carolina-technical-colleges-new-workforce-scholarships-for-the-future-25-million-dollar-investment/101-844c6a8b-087b-47e6-9304-ae4f658f5b2a

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 7:46 AM [ in reply to Re: Paying For College Poll ]

I didn’t work hard enough and suffered the consequences. I couldn’t get into a 4 year university and didn’t even try. Went straight to USCG for 6 years. Grew up a ton and decided I was ready for college. Had to go to Piedmont tech for two years and earned a 3.9 GPA and transferred to Clemson. I used to GI bill to pay for 95% but needed a small loan to cover some summer classes. I hav already paid those off.

Point is just because someone isn’t ready for college right away doesn’t mean they can’t grow and mature and give a try later. But also don’t expect anyone to pay for it. If you take out the loans you should pay them back period. Tax dollars shouldn’t be the answer.

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Aug 25, 2022, 3:53 PM

Similar situation. I was a miserable HS student. Went in the army after graduation. I used GI Bill and working to pay for two-year degree. Got a job at Sonoco-Hartsville they reimbursed me for classes at Coker. It took a total of 11 years after HS graduation to finish but I was debt free when I did.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 6:59 PM

I paid for my schooling in large part with the GI Bill & Army College Fund. I did borrow around $10k but paid it off a long time ago.

I'm a bit torn on this issue. On one hand I'm with those who say each person should pay for their loan responsibility. I even put off College so I could earn education funds in the service.

I also think a big mess got created when the federal government said they'd back student loans. Of course colleges would increase fees knowing that the loans were backed. Also, if we bail out banks that are "too big to fail" and those banks actively traded in sleazy mortgage-backed securities so those banks could profit, then why not bail out the little guy.

I'd like to know why fees and interest rates for schools have gotten so high.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 8:18 PM

Very reasonable post.
I am primarily against it but you present a decent argument for both sides although there are several more important reasons to be against it.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 9:01 AM [ in reply to Re: Paying For College Poll ]

Those “sleazy mortgage-backed securities” were the direct result of Democrats forcing banks to lower lending standards so more lower income minorities could become home owners. Thanks Ruth Ann saddled with whiskey debt, and I devised the mortgage-backed security to spread the rest to investors. It wasn’t a question of if but when this house of cards you can collapsing down.
The financial prices of 2007 and 2008 was not the banks fault, it was a democratic parties fault for forcing banks to lend to unworthy borrowers.

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Aug 24, 2022, 7:13 PM

I paid for my own college, took out one $2500 semester college loan but the rest I paid up front for by working.

My mom & dad helped by paying my 1st semester and they helped me a few times when I needed help with money but I paid for the rest & paid back my student loan. It’s was stupid that I fell for that once, it was after Hugo came through. They were begging you to sign up for a loan. I didn’t need it and regretted it later don’t get me wrong things were tight but it was very doable.

I used it to party and eat like a King lol so stupid.

Both my girls school is paid for, my oldest got a full ride scholarship, not at the school she wanted but that scholarship wasn’t available for Clemson but she got the degree she wanted & works from home teaching Chinese students English from 4 A.m. to 10 am while taking care of 3 toddlers 1 1/2, 2 1/2 and 4 years old.

My youngest has finished and started her own business with horses. We paid fully for her education and she’s a grateful go getter despite having two heart surgeries and juvenile Lupus.

They both were offered loans galore but I advised them to never do that if possible an it was.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 7:31 PM

My Mother and Father told me if I wanted to go the College then I should go to College; but, they could not pay my way. So I paid my College fees working and using the GI bill after 7 years in the US Army (Vietnam era). Made real good grades as I knew who was paying the bills.

I'm not in favor of paying college fees for folks. But, I'm not for paying for very many things for folks at all and I definitely not in favor of giving zillions of dollars to foreign countries for any reason.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 9:21 PM [ in reply to Re: Paying For College Poll ]

Same here--worked.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 7:27 PM

I waited until later in life to go to school. Payed my own way through, then setup a fund to put my child through school. She is now a junior at Clemson. Have not borrowed a dime from anyone. I did it the responsible way. These folks took out loans knowing they had to pay them back. Why should I (taxpayer) have to pitch in to pay back their debts.

I am sick and tired of the entitlement crowd. It is past time for people to be held accountable for their actions. Sorry for the rant.

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You do realize there are people that couldn't have gone...


Aug 24, 2022, 8:37 PM

to Clemson without student loans? And NO they don't explain to you at age 17 that you will be saddled with this debt for the next 20 years. It is just "Sign this paper or you get dropped from your classes and kicked out of school."

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Nothing wrong with student loans at all.


Aug 24, 2022, 9:40 PM

I just don’t think it is fair for the government punishing those of us that act responsibly. Again, I paid for my education. Why should I have to help pay for someone else’s education? They chose to take out that loan and should be held accountable for it, not me and everyone else. We are already on the brink of a recession. Where is all of this money coming from? This is a prime example of our government making irresponsible decisions.

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Aug 24, 2022, 11:34 PM [ in reply to You do realize there are people that couldn't have gone... ]

I don't understand. What fool signs for a LOAN not expecting to repay it?

Don't high school graduates know the definition of the word LOAN? It implies repayment.

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Another issue is that degree in gender studies


Aug 25, 2022, 7:26 AM

that they can't get a job with after borrowing all that money so they have no means to repay it while working at Starbucks

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Why in the h311 should that be MY problem?


Aug 25, 2022, 7:57 AM [ in reply to You do realize there are people that couldn't have gone... ]

I didnt take the loan out, you did. If you want to blame someone for a 17 year old signing a loan they didnt understand, blame the parents! This entire thing is complete typical liberal BULLSH**

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 7:31 PM

Paid for my own college. Paid the student loan off a long time ago.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 7:37 PM

Joined the Marines, skipped college as I learned how to drink in HS, worked for about 8 years afterwards, then retired at 46. Went back to work part time at 51 (2-3 days a week that I schedule). Beer money and you know…idle hands lol.

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Obama is the person that took college loan business away from Banks..


Aug 24, 2022, 7:49 PM

and put it in the hands of The Dept of Education who is ill equipped to be in the loan business.

More government & intervention and less private enterprise. Who would have guessed!

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Re: Obama is the person that took college loan business away from Banks..


Aug 24, 2022, 11:38 PM

Absolutely. Government programs are NEVER efficient.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 8:04 PM

My folks made sacrifices to pay for my college. I paid for grad school. My wife and I paid for our kid’s college. I could be retired now if my kids had taken loans

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 8:12 PM

It ticks me off because my wife and I skimped and scrapped to put two kids through college dept free. We stayed in the same old house, drove old cars, and rarely bought anything for ourselves, all for the kids. Now Biden is giving a get out of jail free card to those who bought fancy houses, cars, and clothes while building up thousands in college dept while we were eating dirt.

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Aug 24, 2022, 11:42 PM

Ditto. Paid for 2 children's college education. Saved. Guess I should have taken out these "loans". Totally not fair.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 8:18 PM

The first 2/3rds was paid by me and my Dad.
After a several year pause, I was lucky and the last 3rd was paid by me and a work education program. No student loans.

My son took out a couple student loans even though he was on full scholarship because it was encouraged and they let him do it without me knowing about it. They sell it on all campuses to get a loan and don't worry about anything while you're in school, then reality hits. When I did find out, he got an ear full and lesson in the reponsibility of paying his own debts. He paid them all off but regreted every check he wrote. Now he is livid about the possibilities of others getting to skirt their responsibility.

I'm not against student loans if College is for the person getting the loan and the person understands the responsibility.


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If you don't agree with debt forgiveness...


Aug 24, 2022, 8:20 PM



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Re: If you don't agree with debt forgiveness...


Aug 24, 2022, 9:08 PM

This perfectly captures how the leftists want to replace God with the all-powerful State.

Yep, Biden is Jesus. They are exactly the same. Except Biden isn’t sacrificing anything (in fact, he’s just pandering for votes), and the theft from all of us to pay for it is coerced. I assume this key difference is completely lost on you, and whoever came up with that stupid little quip.

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Re: If you don't agree with debt forgiveness...


Aug 24, 2022, 9:27 PM [ in reply to If you don't agree with debt forgiveness... ]




Apples and Oranges S.F.B.

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Re: If you don't agree with debt forgiveness...


Aug 25, 2022, 2:20 PM

The difference is one owns it all and the other owns nothing, but the devil in disguise

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Re: If you don't agree with debt forgiveness...


Aug 24, 2022, 10:28 PM [ in reply to If you don't agree with debt forgiveness... ]

Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness. If you don’t work you don’t eat.

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Re: If you don't agree with debt forgiveness...


Aug 24, 2022, 11:45 PM [ in reply to If you don't agree with debt forgiveness... ]

Biden playing Jesus role? Really?

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This is heresy.


Aug 25, 2022, 8:08 AM [ in reply to If you don't agree with debt forgiveness... ]

God is sovereign, and, in His love and mercy, sent His Son Jesus Christ to pay a debt we absolutely could not repay. That is why you cannot buy your way into heaven through wealth, possessions, status, works, etc. It is only by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

A person CAN repay student debt and loans. I am not their savior. The government is not their savior.

I pray you find a more biblically-sound church if you honestly believe this.

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Re: This is heresy.


Aug 25, 2022, 2:29 PM


God is sovereign, and, in His love and mercy, sent His Son Jesus Christ to pay a debt we absolutely could not repay. That is why you cannot buy your way into heaven through wealth, possessions, status, works, etc. It is only by grace through faith in Jesus Christ.

A person CAN repay student debt and loans. I am not their savior. The government is not their savior.

I pray you find a more biblically-sound church if you honestly believe this.


Amen!

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Re: If you don't agree with debt forgiveness...


Aug 25, 2022, 8:50 AM [ in reply to If you don't agree with debt forgiveness... ]

I am a Christian. My salvation via Jesus going to the cross and dying for my sins is not tied to financial responsibility! Jesus also said in John 18 and Mark 12, “Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar’s,,,,,,,” . Pay the government what you owe the government. There are several verses about debt repayment in the Bible. One in Ecclesiastes 5:5, It is better that you should not vow than that you should vow and not pay. When our daughter walked across that stage and was handed her diploma, we nor she owed CU nor anyone else one dime. No, she didn’t have a load of scholarship s. Just honest hard work.

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Aug 25, 2022, 9:40 AM [ in reply to If you don't agree with debt forgiveness... ]

The huge difference is Jesus didn’t put those debts on others to pay, he took care of them all!
For eternity the price was paid in full!

Thank you Jesus!

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Chris­t didn't steal from someone else to pay my debt,


Aug 25, 2022, 3:12 PM [ in reply to If you don't agree with debt forgiveness... ]

He paid it out of his work and riches. No one is mad that someone's debt is being paid, people are mad that the government is stealing from others to do it.

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Re: Chris­t didn't steal from someone else to pay my debt,


Aug 25, 2022, 3:44 PM

Where's the outcry when the government gives billions in bailouts to corporations? Why don't we address the issue of why people get into debt to get educated in this country?

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But, FIRST Christ flogged the MONEY LENDERS in the temple!


Aug 25, 2022, 3:26 PM [ in reply to If you don't agree with debt forgiveness... ]

Time for the government to be Christ-like and lay into our greedy colleges and universities and predatory lenders.

Strapping the tax payers with all this is definitely NOT Christ-like ...

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 9:13 PM

It's completely transparent --- paying for votes --- the left is worried about the midterms. I shouldn't have to pay for these loans!!!

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 9:34 PM

Bingo! Kind of gives some insight to how worried they are about bidens performance. Nothing like paying off little Charlie or Shiniquo 1 year they spent in college, dropped out, now holds down the register at 7-11 with 5 kids, food stamps, no taxes paid, etc. etc.

It needs to be torn up and rebuilt. Start from scratch

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Aug 24, 2022, 9:14 PM

I got a small loan, something like $600 a year, and paid it back within a year of graduation.

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Aug 24, 2022, 10:09 PM

My parents paid for my college expenses at Clemson and me and my husband paid for our daughter’s at Clemson. Nothing owed now.
When they started talking about cancelling student debt it sounded as if they were cancelling ALL of it not just 10K. This is far less than I expected. Honestly, it isn’t that big of a deal to me when you consider how much our government has spent for years on Medicaid and food stamps etc. You can say those people didn’t prepare well either and are bailed out by the taxpayers also. They benefit FAR more than a measly 10K. One hospital stay for one of these ill prepared poor people is more than 10k. At least this 10k is going towards someone that is trying to better themselves for their future and hopefully will NOT end up on welfare in the future.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 10:16 PM

18 months my parents. 30 months, me and Uncle Sam.

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Aug 24, 2022, 11:55 PM [ in reply to Re: Paying For College Poll ]

Medicaid and food stamps are part of a safety net for poor people. Not the same as forgiving a loan for some with money from those who did go to college or took out loans and repaid them or people who saved their money to go send themselves or family members to college.

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Aug 25, 2022, 7:24 AM

Safety net or not, they both have one thing in common: the taxpayers are paying for it. I don’t think it’s any worse than bailing out poor Americans who didn’t prepare for their future by feeding them and paying for 99% of their medical care when others have to pay for their own food and medical expenses. I have seen both sides of this in my own family.
My parents paid for my education and we finished paying for our daughter’s awhile back and I’m not as offended by this as others I guess. In general, I’m offended at all the money we as taxpayers pay to bail out other people including the ridiculous amounts of money given to foreign countries to bail them out.

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Aug 25, 2022, 2:41 PM


Safety net or not, they both have one thing in common: the taxpayers are paying for it. I don’t think it’s any worse than bailing out poor Americans who didn’t prepare for their future by feeding them and paying for 99% of their medical care when others have to pay for their own food and medical expenses. I have seen both sides of this in my own family.
My parents paid for my education and we finished paying for our daughter’s awhile back and I’m not as offended by this as others I guess. In general, I’m offended at all the money we as taxpayers pay to bail out other people including the ridiculous amounts of money given to foreign countries to bail them out.


I understand what you’re saying and how you view it. However, I can’t disagree more. This is the kind of thinking that allowed both political parties to run up $30+ trillion in national debt. Generations of Americans not even born yet will have to pay the price for this irresponsible spending beyond our means. Socialism has failed everywhere it’s been tried. The Federal government made this student loan debt transfer possible when Obamacare made the student loan industry a public debt. What feels reasonable now just sets the table for the next stage of government intervention.

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Aug 25, 2022, 3:39 PM [ in reply to Re: Paying For College Poll ]

This is the problem with this debate.

You took out a loan for $600 and posting as if that situation is even comparable to the younger students who have had to take out tens of thousands of dollars to pay for school. $600 won't even get you textbooks these days.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 10:40 PM

My uncle paid for all of my education. His name is Sam. I paid him back.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 24, 2022, 10:44 PM

My truck driving dad sent me to Clemson on less than 10% of his pay. Give that a shot now!

After 40 years of blue idiocy and fake red opposition, it’s apparent the needle moves only one way.

So even though I could easily pay for my three kids college with the help of their scholarships, I told them to get as much loan as they could get. Why? Because a fool and his money are soon parted!

Thanks red and blue fools! Keep playing your little games! Also I always thank the bum at the checkout counter for buying a lottery ticket and paying for my kid’s education. I laugh all the way home to my house on lake Keowee in my bmw. I love regressive taxes.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 29, 2022, 11:24 AM

Topic aside…you sound like a real ####.

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Good Ole Dad


Aug 24, 2022, 11:34 PM

Paid $6000 out of state (from VA) per year from 1979-1984 for tuition, room and board. Those were truly the good old days. Clemson students and alums were friendly and awesome. At one point, the football team lost two games in three years (and tied two).

Dad was a commercial masonry contractor and a good man. I will never forget my first day ever in Clemson when he dropped me off in August 1979. I was 6 weeks from 18, and he was 41. We went to Hardee's that morning for a biscuit. The place was packed with Clemson coed cuties. Dad was never real talkative and he never implied the object of his statement, but he looked me in the eye and said "Son, I think you're going to like it here." He was right for so many reasons.

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GI Bill


Aug 25, 2022, 4:30 AM

Student loan forgiveness is BS

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GI bill here and cheaper alternative here


Aug 25, 2022, 5:56 AM

I don’t think my kids should have to pay for other kids educations. They have chosen a different path and should not be punished for it

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 5:59 AM

My dad took out loans to pay for his college education. He paid them back in full. My Moms parents paid for hers. My Mom and Dad paid for mine and my sisters. My wife and I are paying for our two daughters college currently. So I wonder-since my Dad met the requirements by which to have his loans forgiven if he should expect his loan forgiveness check in the mail? Is this how this works?................

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 6:11 AM

Have 5 siblings. Dad worked in retail. there was no money set aside for college. I paid my own way 100%. Took out loans at eye-watering rates by today's standards and paid it all back - EARLY. College savers and kids who put in the time to get academic scholarships are the ones getting hosed by this latest election- year scam. I've come to expect nothing less from this current crew. Can't wait to see what corrupt "October surprise" they have in store in their attempt to scare people into voting for them.

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My college was paid for.


Aug 25, 2022, 8:14 AM

My parents had the foresight to plan for both my brother and I going to college and saved to paid for us both to go to college. Both of us worked hard in school to help them out by getting scholarships which offset some of the cost. When I decided to go to graduate school, my parents said they would pay the tuition part (~ $1000 per semester) but that I would have to pay for the other expenses - books, rent, food, etc. I applied and got fellowships and grants which helped with that.

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Re: My college was paid for.


Aug 25, 2022, 10:46 AM

So what is the incentive for a college to hold down expenses? Another
Bidens inflation feeder

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Re: My college was paid for.


Aug 25, 2022, 3:31 PM [ in reply to My college was paid for. ]

That's what I did wrong. I should have chosen better parents like you did.

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Obviously, if they were coot fans and led you


Aug 25, 2022, 5:17 PM

down the same path.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 11:01 AM

I am the youngest of 5 siblings and was the first in my family to graduate from college. My parents paid for the first 3 years and fully intended to pay it all but my Dad got sick and was forced to retire a couple of years early so he couldn’t afford the last year. I took a semester off and worked and then took out a loan to help with my last year (1984). It has been paid off for a very long time. We put our 2 kids through college with no debt. My son in law had some debt when he married my daughter but they made paying it off a priority and paid it off in 3 years. These are the choices you make in life. None of us ever expected or received a handout. And it is not because any of us are wealthy, we just all worked hard and played by the rules.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 2:56 PM

What if we used tax dollars to fund education like every other developed nation? You know, so the youth of this country aren't saddled with debt.

Nevermind, that would be communism!

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 29, 2022, 9:56 AM

That's a false choice. If you read the above, there appears there are ways to get a college degree without getting 'saddled' with debt. Also, if you believe it's a good thing that particular people get a degree, you are going to have to value alternative uses of those scarce resources which would otherwise go to alternative uses. A tall order indeed! A difficult task even for individuals making these choices in their own lives; having quite a bit more info than you! Yet you call it good...and then go vote for others to foot the bill of what you arbitrarily call good. Very flippant indeed. But I expect a little more thought than that if you are going to saddle me with the costs of your arbitrary opinions.

Unfortunately, these alternative uses are not easy to see. It's hard to see a business that wasn't started or the product or service that was never brought to market. It's hard to quantify the value of 4 years of work experience and salary for a high quality person as compared to the same person who forewent work experience and salary, electing to spend loads of resources on college. It may be better, may not. You don't know, yet you call it good. So an arbitrary person with a piece of paper indicating some knowledge of an arbitrary subject is very easy to see. It's very easy to laud this because it's easy to see. It's actually lazy.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 4:15 PM

Schools should lower tuition and stop charging $100,000 for a four year degree that will get you a job paying $35,000 a year starting out.

Meanwhile they're paying coaches millions upon millions of dollars to coach football, giving free rides to players that bring in the money, and building multi million dollar facilities to keep up.

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 5:15 PM

It took me 10 years to pay it off with a lot of sacrifices for my family while I was paying it off

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Re: Paying For College Poll


Aug 25, 2022, 5:27 PM

Got accepted to Clemson in 93 but did not go to college after high school. Around 42 -43 years old I started at Liberty Online with my employer paying my tuition if I make a C or higher so I took advantage of that benefit.
Was going to have to pay a majority of college myself and needed to work a good bit while in school and was not sure if I could make it happen. Everything has worked out, very blessed. I have a wife and her friend still paying student loans and they are pushing 50.
But it looks like I’m going to have to pay tuition after all. Something doesn’t sound right about that, and guessing some will be paying 2 times.

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I checked "Other", as my parents paid for my college


Aug 29, 2022, 10:13 AM

education at Clemson. They did the same for my four siblings. (Although, three of them went to Cooterville, does that really count as college?) My oldest sister worked for many years before getting a college degree from Limestone College.

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