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God put it on his heart, and the Freedom from Religion
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Foundation will almost certainly lead a charge to try and get him fired. Good for you, Dan Orlovsky. You just became one of my favorite TV sports personalities.
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Re: God put it on his heart, and the Freedom from Religion
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As a non-God fearing individual, I have zero problems with what he did. He is an empathetic man with his heart in the right place. But make no mistake about it, Hamlin is thankfully alive today because of expert care delivered by highly educated and trained human beings. Otherwise, they would have taken him out of that stadium in a body bag.
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Re: God put it on his heart, and the Freedom from Religion
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And remember God those professionals the ability to learn their trade. No one is nothing without God.
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Re: God put it on his heart, and the Freedom from Religion
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Did God also cause Hamlin to collapse and his heart to stop?
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Ditto, brother. God bless Mr. Hamlin for a return to health,and Mr. Orlovsky for his courage to pray on the anti-Christian ABC / ESPN platform to appeal to God for help Mr. Hamlin.
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Re: God put it on his heart, and the Freedom from Religion
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Never has ABC/ESPN made any claim of being for or against any religion. Yet, as a "Christian", you are ready to judge and cause division. This is why people can't get along. SMDH
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What ? Are you replying where you intended to reply ?
Jan 4, 2023, 5:20 PM
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Your reply where it is makes no sense.
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Re: God put it on his heart, and the Freedom from Religion
Jan 4, 2023, 4:50 PM
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Never has ABC/ESPN made any claim of being for or against any religion. Yet, as a "Christian", you are ready to judge and cause division. This is why people can't get along. SMDH
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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I didnt wat h the clip but one has to believe there will be some exploding heads over this. Pity.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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I don't think that there will be mass head exploding over this.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
Jan 4, 2023, 12:04 PM
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Correct. This is the latest Current Thing, so the twitheads are all onboard.
It’s like when Kanye got the libs to switch and say they are against antisemitism now.
Things that would have made their heads explode earlier become trending hashtags.
Until it’s on to the next Current Thing.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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> It’s like when Kanye got the libs to switch and say they are against antisemitism now.
What on earth are you talking about?
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
Jan 4, 2023, 2:23 PM
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Numerous searchable examples of people/organizations blowing their lids about various prayers…not sure if your Google works different than mine.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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Do you want to play the anecdotal game we can google religious people being jerks too.
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^^^ Found one!
Jan 4, 2023, 3:59 PM
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(I can play 'Spot A Jerk' on TNet without Google.)
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
Jan 5, 2023, 1:34 PM
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Great try at deflection and change of subject matter. I’ll remind you:
- The original statement was “I didn’t watch the clip but one has to believe there will be *SOME* exploding heads over this.”
- The reply was “Christian Persecution Syndrome, often?” which is just a relatively low brow gaslighting phrase created to imply Christian persecution is a fabrication. This use of language has been used for millennia to dismiss obvious evidence of said persecution. See numerous examples of Jewish persecution, including Nazi Germany.
- My reply was to advise there IS easily verifiable evidence of said persecutions.
As you can see, there was no mention or implication of the purity of religious people and their actions so your statement is moot. Using the “well they do it too” defense is something that should be left behind in grade school.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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Jan 4, 2023, 8:14 AM
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He seems like a knowledgeable and nice guy during games. He also survived 2 NFL stints with the Lions which deserves our respect and admiration
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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Major respect for DO. Would rather offend man than God. The way it should be. The woke clan have to be losing their minds over this one. Love it
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If a ‘god’ can be offended
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It is either weak ### or fragile
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Or He's holy
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and all sin offends Him
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Re: Or He's holy
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So why create a world where it exists in the first place?
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Re: Or He's holy
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You realize...it didn't exist "in the first place."
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Re: Or He's holy
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Because in order to allow for free will and free choice you also have to allow for good and evil to exist in this life since people will make both good and bad choices.
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Re: Or He's holy
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Then how would heaven work? Do you have the ability to sin there?
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No, Jesus absorbed all the punishment for mankind when He went to the cross so we enter heaven sinless by His blood and remain so for eternity. However, you do have to accept Christ as the Son of God, repent of your sins and accept Him as your savior. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth, and the life; no one comes to the Father except through me." Because of our evil nature, we have no ability to ever be "good enough" to enter the Kingdom of Heaven on our own which is why God sent His Son to pay the price for us so that we could.
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Re: Or He's holy
Jan 4, 2023, 11:01 AM
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So we wouldn’t have free will in heaven.
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We will have our will and always use it for good as there will be no more evil in heaven. We also will have new and perfected bodies and exist in a supernatural state vs. the natural state we now exist in.
There are many things we don't know about heaven and won't know until we get there. God says our ways and not His ways and his thoughts are above our thoughts. This is where faith comes in. We walk by faith and not by sight. I don't need to know everything about it right now; I just know that is where I want to spend my eternity and I trust in a heavenly Father who loves me and wants what is best for me.
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Re: Or He's holy
Jan 4, 2023, 11:12 AM
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God says our ways "are" not "and".
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That’s having it both ways. You say sin had to exist in order to have free will but they we don’t have sin in heaven and yet you still have free will.
Either way, being born sinful is BS. You don’t get to choose your nature or to be born at all. If sin didn’t exist before humans and God created humans, then he de-facto created sin; especially if he knew what would happen.
This is all clearly myth and was an attempt to understand why we were here. This isn’t any more true than what muslims or hindus are saying.
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Fortunately, we each have a right to our own beliefs. I'm not trying to convince you of anything. I simply answered the questions you asked of me as honestly as I could based on my faith and my beliefs.
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Re: Or He's holy
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Of course. I wouldn’t suggest otherwise.
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Just to answer the sin question and then I will get off of this unless you have any other questions. In order for there to be free choice, there has to be more than one alternative, otherwise, there is no choice to make. In God's original plan, He designed the Garden of Eden and created Adam to have authority over it. He then created Eve so Adam would have a companion. They had the opportunity to live a perfect life and the only restriction God put on them was not to eat the forbidden fruit from 2 specific trees. Otherwise, they could do whatever they wanted. This gave them 2 alternatives from which to choose, either obey as they were asked or disobey by eating the forbidden fruit.
When Eve took the forbidden apple and took a bite, and then offered it to Adam as well who also took a bite, then they came into disobedience with God and at that point, sin entered the world and would be with us for however long the world exists. Again, this was a choice that was made that had bad consequences and there are choices to be made that have good consequences and free choice and free will are at the heart of both.
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I just don’t see how anyone can read that and think it’s anything other than just a story.
A supernatural being make two humans and then made a naughty fruit that nobody could touch otherwise you die?
What?
And then, a talking snake goads them into disobeying God?
Come on…
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Epicurus addressed this 300 years before Jesus was born!
P1. If an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient god exists, then evil does not.
P2. There is evil in the world.
C1. Therefore, an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient god does not exist.
Or more fleshed out...
P1a. God exists.
P1b. God is omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient.
P1c. An omnipotent being has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
P1d. An omnibenevolent being would want to prevent all evils.
P1e. An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence, and knows every way in which those evils could be prevented.
P1f. A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
P1. If there exists an omnipotent, omnibenevolent and omniscient God, then no evil exists.
P2. Evil exists (logical contradiction).
Though I do like Paul Draper's take, which is more of an Occam's Razor approach.
1. Gratuitous evils exist.
2. The hypothesis of indifference, i.e., that if there are supernatural beings they are indifferent to gratuitous evils, is a better explanation for (1) than theism.
3. Therefore, evidence prefers that no god, as commonly understood by theists, exists
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Re: Or He's holy
Jan 5, 2023, 1:55 PM
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William Lane Craig has an interesting take on God and the problem of evil. According to Craig, there is no explicit contradiction between the existance of God and evil. He explains that as long as it is even possible that God has morally sufficient reasons to allow evil, the existance of both are logically coherent.
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I didn't write the book; I just read it and believed it. One thing I try never to do is say anyone who doesn't believe what I believe is wrong or anyone who doesn't believe at all is wrong. All I can point to is that I believe the Holy Bible is God's inerrant Word and that is my source and then the proof I experience is what happens in my own life and how that is connected to my faith.
For me, my belief is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ which I get to experience through my faith and in my walk with Him. I totally understand how difficult it is for someone else who does not think this way to see it. Even a faith-based person can still have doubts as well and God understands that. We are human and we aren't perfect and there is temptation in the world and a liar who wants to convince us that all of this is make-believe.
If I'm wrong, the consequences for me really aren't that difficult to face. But if I am right then the consequences could be eternally damning if I choose unwisely. Again, no dispersion on your feelings or anyone else's. This is simply what is right for me and how I choose to live my life.
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I didn't write the book; I just read it and believed it. One thing I try never to do is say anyone who doesn't believe what I believe is wrong or anyone who doesn't believe at all is wrong. All I can point to is that I believe the Holy Bible is God's inerrant Word and that is my source and then the proof I experience is what happens in my own life and how that is connected to my faith.
For me, my belief is about a personal relationship with Jesus Christ which I get to experience through my faith and in my walk with Him. I totally understand how difficult it is for someone else who does not think this way to see it. Even a faith-based person can still have doubts as well and God understands that. We are human and we aren't perfect and there is temptation in the world and a liar who wants to convince us that all of this is make-believe.
If I'm wrong, the consequences for me really aren't that difficult to face. But if I am right then the consequences could be eternally damning if I choose unwisely. Again, no dispersion on your feelings or anyone else's. This is simply what is right for me and how I choose to live my life.
Is, "I don't want to go to #### so I am going to believe" genuine faith? I'm not saying that is your only reason. More like coercion, it seems. (Having been raised in a faith-and-faith-alone church, I have pretty strict standards of faith, I admit - even if I am a non-believer.) It's like when people want to show evidence of god - they are suddenly saying that he is observable and therefore not infinite. Evidence of god's existence diminishes him.
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Re: Or He's holy
Jan 4, 2023, 2:27 PM
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I gave you a TU for at least making the effort to understand. For me, my faith is way more than what direction I am going for eternity. There is a holistic nature to my belief and where I spend eternity is just one element, albeit a very important one. For example, I don't believe you can get your ticket punched for heaven and then live your life however you want but that is an even more in-depth discussion that probably most on this board don't want to be a part of.
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Re: Or He's holy
Jan 4, 2023, 3:00 PM
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That’s fine but with all do respect, that only works if you chose the correct religion.
Billions of muslims and hindus are making the same gamble.
The consequences could actually be dire even with your current strategy.
For the record, I don’t think anything happens to you after you die. You just aren’t conscious.
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Re: Or He's holy
Jan 4, 2023, 3:03 PM
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I don't view it as a "strategy" but I guess I understand that is the way you might take it. I can only do what is right for me and accept that may be different from what is right for others.
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Again, that’s totally fine. I’m certainly not going to tell you what to believe. I just like discussing things as they come up.
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Re: Or He's holy
Jan 4, 2023, 3:27 PM
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Me too, thanks for all of the good questions! I enjoyed the exchange.
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Re: Or He's holy
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I just don’t see how anyone can read that and think it’s anything other than just a story.
A supernatural being make two humans and then made a naughty fruit that nobody could touch otherwise you die?
What?
And then, a talking snake goads them into disobeying God?
Come on…
If that were the end of the story, I would agree with you. But its not the end of the story. Those fairy tales start to become real convincing when the progression of events (prophecies fulfilled) are realized and then there is the commentary on the nature of man which one finds really is universal. Things progress from these.
From one who has been a skeptic (if you are cynic thank you for not communicating as one), getting to the point of seeing the truth requires an open mind and some effort. Many who are skeptics will do little more than take a cursory glance, decide they've seen it all and drive on continuing to dismiss without putting in the time sincere and interested exploration would require.
If you are interested in sincere exploration, many here would be happy to suggest some reading material. With such, you could be far better prepared to support your findings for the benefit of yourself and others.
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Bc I grew up in a very christian environment and was born again and all that. I’m very aware of the teachings.
I was on the other side of these arguments less than a decade ago.
I don’t see how a book claiming it’s own prophecies to be true makes it any more believable.
The facts (seem to be) that there is no hard evidence of anything supernatural. I would LOVE to be shown otherwise but it’s literally just stories passed down from generations ago and the only way to “know” it is to just believe it aka faith.
What we do have is hard evidence that humans weren’t created a few thousand years ago in our current form. So that part is unequivocally false. If any part of it is false, I don’t see how it could be divine in nature.
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Re: Or He's holy
Jan 4, 2023, 4:43 PM
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Did you see this week that they are currently underway in the excavation of the Pool of Siloam. Things like that fascinate myself.
Proof of God is getting up every morning with air in my lungs. Blessed me beyond measure.
Man if I thought for a second that when I died that that was it I would probably go ahead and speed up the process because what a waste my life would be with no hope
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Re: Or He's holy
Jan 4, 2023, 3:42 PM
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Hebrews 11.1
"Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen."
When you take a breath do you see the air? Or do you have faith the air is there?
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Re: If a ‘god’ can be offended
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There is a God and He is big enough to let us choose wether we want Him or not. If a person doesn’t want God, they don’t have to have Him! There’s two ways we all can live, we can live a life that says “ The Lord is my shepherd, I shall not be in want” or “I am my shepherd and I’m in real trouble.” What’s inside us will always be revealed by what comes out. Lust, anger, contempt, anxiety and other things will always be present with the people who run their own kingdom. Being a disciple of Jesus is costly but to not be a disciple of Jesus cost even more! Whatever struggles a person has, they will continue to struggle with. I’m so thankful Jesus became my King and runs my kingdom. I have His peace, a peace that allows me to be joyful even in trials. I have His love, a love that allows me to love my enemies. I have His joy, a joy that no one is able to take! Thank You!!!
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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Jan 4, 2023, 10:23 AM
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I too love that Mr. Orlovsky had the courage to risk his career by openly praying to God to heal Mr. Hamlin on the atheistic network that employs him. Truly inspirational.
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That might be more accurate to say 'Pleasing man or...
Jan 5, 2023, 3:03 PM
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pleasing God.' Most everything we do offends God. Man is an offense to God inherently and intrinsically. Inherently and intrinsically because we are born in sin. Not that our mothers were harlots but because of the sin of Adam.
In Ezekiel chapter 3 God spoke:
"18 When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
19 Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul."
Better yet was Paul's statement in Galatians 1:
Verse Concepts
'10 For am I now seeking the favor of men, or of God? Or am I striving to please men? If I were still trying to please men, I would not be a bond-servant of Christ.
I do not think the man praying sought either but he was seeking God's help for another. It was a testimony of his faith that God was, is and will always be.
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The best thing I've seen on ESPN
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Jan 4, 2023, 8:55 AM
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He'll probably face repercussions but that boldness is huge! Good for Dan
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I guess atheists must hate this post...***
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Re: I guess atheists must hate this post...***
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Jan 4, 2023, 9:44 AM
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Not really, just find it ironic that if that individual were any other religion, the reaction here would be much different.
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Why don't you test your hypothesis?
Jan 4, 2023, 9:58 AM
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Post a Muslim prayer for Hamlin's recovery, or a Hindu prayer, or any god of your choice. See how much backlash you get because you aren't praying to the Almighty Creator.
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Re: Why don't you test your hypothesis?
Jan 4, 2023, 10:12 AM
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It certainly wouldn’t have been received positively.
I don’t believe you at all that tnet would be just as comfortable with Dabo being a muslim and as vocal about it as he is now.
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Dabo is a Christian...
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Jan 4, 2023, 11:14 AM
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If you are a muslim, pray a muslim prayer. Offer it here for all to read. And let's see if you get the intolerant firestorm that you are gaslighting. Because it's you atheists who are the intolerant, censoring, anti-freedom ones... and everyone knows it. A man offers a sincere prayer with sentiments that reflect nothing but benevolence and kindness... and you can't resist making that into a tolerance issue.
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Re: Dabo is a Christian...
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Jan 4, 2023, 11:29 AM
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Please. You guys are only tolerant of religion so long as it’s your religion. Try changing our pledge to under allah and see how that goes.
Conservative christians are certainly not the benevolent loving people you paint them as.
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Re: Dabo is a Christian...
Jan 4, 2023, 3:46 PM
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If you are an atheist, 16and18, what do you care if people believe in God. Or do you have doubts? And if you have no doubts why are you trying to convince people to not believe?
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Re: Dabo is a Christian...
Jan 4, 2023, 3:56 PM
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I don’t care what people believe. You are only asking me this because the topic is religion. Nobody asks me if i “have doubts” if I’m arguing with an antivaxer or flat-earther.
People don’t like their beliefs questioned especially when it comes to their worldview.
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Re: Dabo is a Christian...
Jan 4, 2023, 4:05 PM
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Does that mean you don't like your "beliefs" questioned, 16and18?
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Re: Dabo is a Christian...
Jan 4, 2023, 4:27 PM
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I'm all for having my beliefs questioned, go for it.
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Re: Dabo is a Christian...
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Jan 4, 2023, 3:52 PM
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There are different degrees of acceptance and tolerance.
Yes, I accept and tolerate—even encourage—people of other faiths practicing their faith in the public arena because A) the world is a better place when faith is being practiced openly and sincerely (which is what the Freedom of Religion clause is all about) and B) many times I have more in common with a Muslim than a secular humanist. If a Muslim can accept me, I’m delighted to accept him as a friend. Just not as a Brother.
However, “accept and tolerate” doesn’t mean that I consider them to be equal to my faith in all circumstances (nor do they). In this instance where prayer is being offered, the comfort and expression of compassion is equal for people of all faiths. The request for Divine intercession may not be equal based on Who we are supplicating to.
BTW, the Christian is more tolerant than the Muslim, because Christian considers Muslim to be pursuant of a different faith altogether. OTOH, The Muslim considers the Christian to be pursuant of a bastardized, derailed version of Islam that the Apostles perverted through a dishonest account of the life and ministry of the “Prophet” Jesus without any historical proof. So it is the idealists in Islam that are more inclined to be intolerant.
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Re: Dabo is a Christian...
Jan 4, 2023, 11:32 AM
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TD'd for lumping the few with the majority.
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Re: Why don't you test your hypothesis?
Jan 4, 2023, 10:31 AM
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FYI, the Islamic faith is monotheistic and also believes in God.
As happens with some Christians, there are Muslims who pervert Islam in an attempt to acquire earthly benefits.
That does not render either faith illegitimate.
God bless you and have a Happy New Year.
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Re: I guess atheists must hate this post...***
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I find it interesting that (once again) Christian fragility leads them to project outrage on non-Christians. I'm an Atheist. I'm not outraged. But I find it fascinating that you seem to "want" hate to be coming out of me. How much hate must you be filled with to want that? Doesn't that attitude seem a little weird to you?
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Re: DO's getting positive reviews on twitter....
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Jan 4, 2023, 9:45 AM
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He’s not pushing his religion on anyone, it seemed like a sincere gesture. I’m not religious and it certainly doesn’t offend me.
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Re: DO's getting positive reviews on twitter....
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Jan 4, 2023, 10:41 AM
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The woke crowd is at a quandary.
Woke white people hate organized religion.
Many black people are Christians, and have (and are) openly appealing to God for His blessings on Mr. Hamlin.
My guess is that the woke white closet bigots (including those who run Disney, ABC, and ESPN) will be quiet for a while. When this situation with Mr. Hamlin recedes from the current news cycle, they will find a way to further diminish any public displays of Christianity and Judaism, and will reassign Mr. Orlovsky to a non-broadcasting personality role.
No long after Mr. Orlovsky is off the air, he will ‘voluntarily’ leave ESPN with a hush-money package.
God bless Mr. Orlovsky for his courage!
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It's not about politics. Everything is NOT about politics.
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Jan 4, 2023, 11:28 AM
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Why can't you just build this guy up, if that is your opinion, rather than use it backhandedly to tear down / attempt to tear down others ?
Makes no sense.
THIS is the only part of your message that needed to be said, in my opinion:
"God bless Mr. Orlovsky for his courage!"
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Re: It's not about politics. Everything is NOT about politics.
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Jan 4, 2023, 11:39 AM
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You can't tell these people that. Anything that they don't agree with or doesn't go their way is because of *insert opposite political ideology*. It's made the internet insufferable with people that continue with this horse crap honestly.
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Re: It's not about politics. Everything is NOT about politics.
Jan 4, 2023, 8:38 PM
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The purpose for the part of the message aside from “God bless Mr. Orlovsky for his courage” is to advise the closet white bigots (who are openly ‘woke’) to be advised that their hypocrisy is recognized.
My hope is that, for these hypocrites, circumspection will become part of their thinking. Instead of being angry at people who publicly expose the woke white hypocrites, these hypocrites should look within themselves and strive to become better persons.
The first step in this process is to be recognized for being ‘outed.’
The next step is either expressions of outrage or the adoption of circumspection.
With circumspection comes an opening of the mind, as opposed to the stubbornness of doubling down on their hypocrisy.
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Although I am a chronic sinner, and I apologize for hurting feelings, it is correct to speak out against evil and against destructive behavior and deception. (I am not asserting that you or any non-believer is evil, nor am I one to make judgements about any person’s overall character. Recognizing and speaking out about hypocritical behavior, on the other hand, is not making a judgement on the person’s worthiness to exist and to enjoy God’s blessings.).
My objective is to encourage all who are mad about being exposed (whether this ‘exposure’ is public, or private [known only to those who ascribe to the hypocritical behavior] … and for those people to look within themselves, or to seek help from forces infinitely more powerful and wise than any of us.
Sorry to make this response so long. This subject and those who grapple with it is not simple. Thanks for the dialogue.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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Jan 4, 2023, 9:43 AM
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Good for Dan! I applaud him for speaking from his heart. It is a shame that there is even a question about it. I noticed that his two co-anchors were bowing their heads and taking part, as well. Good for them.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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Jan 4, 2023, 9:49 AM
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Would you have the same reaction if he were muslim?
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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Jan 4, 2023, 9:58 AM
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I am a Christian and my answer would be a definite YES.
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Hey Sterling . . . giving the TD to this ? I thought you
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Jan 4, 2023, 9:51 AM
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were a pretty solid poster on here - like something that could be discussed.
I didn't know it happened - I saw it - I did a quick scan of the board - didn't see it - posted it.
I believe FAITH is what has become markedly absent in our current society and I believe that if folks can go on TV and use their platform to say things like "we should rebel against the police" or "we should invade storefronts and destroy businesses of completely uninvolved people" - then, in equality - folks should be allowed to pray - especially when EVERYONE was saying they were praying and lifting the hurt player up in prayer.
Sorry if I offended you. But if it is about giving EQUAL voice to ALL voices - then FAITH should be & WILL be one of those voices, in my opinion.
STERLING®
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Re: Hey Sterling . . . giving the TD to this ? I thought you
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Jan 4, 2023, 10:55 AM
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Well said Rocky the Tiger…
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Well - we might have to agree to disagree. I feel there is
Jan 4, 2023, 12:18 PM
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some connotation / between the lines kinda tone in those verses.
I don't think DO was doing what he did to be showy / make it seem he was better than everyone else.
He was acting on his heart & his inner voice - and stepped out.
If you think about it - if there wasn't an outward demonstration of prayer, faith, reaching out to the Almighty publicly (but in the right way - whatever that is) - how would the Gospel and the tenants of Christianity have been spread ?
If all we ever did was go into our closet when we prayed - not sure that was the intent of the passage.
It also says when 2 or more come together . . .
I understand your reference & point - I don't think I agree with its application as it relates to what happened on ESPN.
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Re: Well - we might have to agree to disagree. I feel there is
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Jan 4, 2023, 3:08 PM
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Yeah, I’m not religious and I don’t believe he was being showy. He seemed sincere and I have no problem with it.
I go along with religious prayer when It comes up, no biggie.
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OK. I have a 100% completely different opinion of why he
Jan 4, 2023, 5:28 PM
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did it.
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Re: 1. Matthew 6:5-6 2. Too much religious BS in the world
Jan 4, 2023, 12:23 PM
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If your pronoun “it” refers to religion, your prejudice has intoxicated you. Like when my boss tried to tell me that The State can define marriage because The State invented it. He realized his prejudice when I openly laughed at his comment.
If your pronoun “it” refers to ‘religious BS’, and by ‘religious BS’ you are referring to the false application of religious behavior, then I agree with you that Man invented “it.”
But because you are incapable of understanding the context of Scripture, and yet pretend to wield it anyway, I’m pretty sure it’s the former.
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Re: 1. Matthew 6:5-6 2. Too much religious BS in the world
Jan 4, 2023, 3:10 PM
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Yeah no… the vast majority of religious people have read the Bible or studied it in any meaningful way. People absorb their religious beliefs like they do pop culture.
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Re: 1. Matthew 6:5-6 2. Too much religious BS in the world
Jan 4, 2023, 4:06 PM
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16/18: Frankly, the more you post, the more obvious that you are not well informed.....and you have very little knowledge of Theology, the Bible or anything else other than you own opinion. It is obvious to me that you are not among "the Elect"....but there is hope that you will come into the fold. Prayers for you....sincerely.
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Re: 1. Matthew 6:5-6 2. Too much religious BS in the world
Jan 4, 2023, 4:31 PM
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> Frankly, the more you post, the more obvious that you are not well informed
Well, by all means, point them out. I bet I know just as much as you do about Christianity.
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Re: 1. Matthew 6:5-6 2. Too much religious BS in the world
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Jan 4, 2023, 1:51 PM
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I agree it has held mankind back to an extent. But I don't think it is mostly religion itself as a fault. It's people twisting their own religions and making it a weapon or an absolute on how the world should be which isn't right. Religion was technically the first form of government and gave everyone a set of morality rules to live by when people were far more barbaric and savage. Eventually people used God as a fear tactic throughout the dark ages and all the way up to 1700-1800s that if you didn't conform to a certain way, you would be killed in the name of God and the Church. There's still people that live by that ideology today and even less so that kill in the name of God but still which is absurd and isn't what the Bible and the teachings of Jesus Christ is about but this is mankind we are talking about and there's plenty of crazies.
I have nothing against religion and think everyone has a right to it. But I do think people still use it as a weapon and want to use to influence laws of all people (even subconsciously and don't realize it) which isn't right. Just putting my two cents out there.
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Correct, indeed Jesus said it shouldn't be, but here we go
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with DO and the biblebelters wanting it everywhere.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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Religion aside, and obviously I’m pro-God, I love him as an announcer and sometimes those moments have a profound impact on even folks who have no attachment to religion.
When Brother TD Jakes got on the news right as COVID a was getting started and prayed for the nation that was an incredibly moving moment and it didn’t matter to me that our religious convictions diverge substantially.
Good on Orlovsky for doing that.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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At the end of the day if the good Lord wanted to take him he would have but look at what this has caused. More unity than I have seen in a long time with a realization of what’s truly important in life and a guy that expressed his faith on national television. Still praying for the young man.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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I think this is awesome and powerful too as you suggest. I also find it telling that when a young man is in a life threatening situation on national television how people all of a sudden start praying. How many time have we seen stories of coaches being fired or called out for praying. To me it shows that the vast majority looks to God when the crap hits the fan.
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Re: Dan Orlovsky praying openly on ESPN yesterday morning. LINK
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Wow, God Bless Dan, and God Bless his courage. Not many people are willing to risk their careers for a higher purpose. Good on Dan for putting someone else ahead of himself and being willing to potentially pay a personal price for offering up a sincere prayer to help save a life.
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Re: HTH
Jan 4, 2023, 4:07 PM
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Very cool, thanks!
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