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One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 12:21 AM
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Disclaimer, I am no QB guru nor do I claim to be, I do study the game and like to rewatch the game and see where things went wrong and where they went right.
I think this play is with 40+ seconds to go in the first half, ball is on the 50. It's useful in that it can be used to illustrate where DJ could improve... DJ threw a duck, not sure if it slipped or what but the actual throw isn't the point it's the area where he can (needs to) improve.
In the picture starting with the routes and coverage:
4 receivers all running go routes, defense is in cover 2 with 4 man rush Lville right DE goes into coverage in the Clemson left flat with 4 underneath.
As the play develops the Lville right safety settles into the middle of the field spying Allen and splitting the field, the left safety goes back into deep coverage on the left side of the field.
At this point, DJ is looking to the center or Clemson left side of the field. That is where the open receiver is going to be. This is where he could help himself out by looking to the right and pulling the safety in the middle to his right (see pic) Where he is looking and where he could/should be looking. That safety is stuck as he drifted up.
The receiver on the boundary is covered (Ross I think) but the slot is open on the right (top in the pic).
Again this where DJ could help himself out and what Trevor excelled at.
If he throws deep over the the middle left third to about the 20-15 yard line (circled in the graphic) and lets the receiver run under the ball away from outside coverage (i.e. throws the receiver open) this has the potential for 6. There is no deep help on the left side of the field, the safety is up and the slot receiver is running past him, no way he can catch back up with a well thrown ball.
It appears that DJ tries to thread the needle and ends up throwing a wounded duck that was almost intercepted. We will never know what he was trying to do.
The O-line did a great job of giving him the time on this play.
This was just an example of where he could improve and its high level QB play we are talking about.
For all the TE haters, this was the right call.
We did score 5 plays later ... DJ made 2 nice passes to Ross on the boundary in a seam and to Allen for the TD. Lville targeting call helped (which I did not think was targeting, where Pace was and was not called which is a different conversation)
FWIW, I am a supporter of DJ. The kid has a ton of talent, he needs the reps to see the coverages and make the right throws.
Food for thought.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 6:44 AM
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Nice analysis, I agree
He is more comfortable passing in traditional pass plays and does not have all the RPO decisions during the play. Maybe he will develop and be able to read those more comfortably
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 8:15 AM
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I agree with your take on RPO. I've thought for some time now this season that called runs and called pass plays are working far better for us than RPO. DJ doesn't make the right read often enough and/or fast enough and the play is blown up as a result. Give the linemen a solid call for run block or pass block and they tend to do a better job than the mish-mash of RPO blocking, too. TL16 seemed to excel at spotting the right read before the ball was snapped and DW4 was masterful at making the read at the line for the proper give/take and coul dmake the right pass on a take or make a good run himself.
DJU is not doing much of anything in RPO and I'm glad we're seeing less of it.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 6:52 AM
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Is this Walt?
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 7:14 AM
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I too am no quarterback guru, don't claim to be, or want to be one. So with that being said I am not going to spend a lot of time or use a lot of space trying to show where D.J. needs to grow a little based on one +40 second scenario at the end of a half you think you have pegged.
Before that +40 second time frame there had been 16 previous half's played and the record speaks for it self. One play here or there isn't going to help matters.
You want to analysis something? Try analyzing how a season in which nobody saw this coming happened. You can't blame it all on DJ.
And please don't compare D.J.to Trevor. It's like comparing apples to oranges. You can say they are both fruits, but that is the only comparison you can make.
Look I don't hate DJ but I am beginning to believe he is not the guy we all thought he was. Same could be said of Kelly Bryant, but then you could accuse me of making that same unfair comparison.
No, he may have talent but how many reps does he need to have before he makes the "right throw"
I can assure you it's more than 1.
Think I will have a glass of orange juice with my Frosted Flakes.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 8:16 AM
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At least Kelly Bryant got us to the CFP.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 8:45 AM
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I will give you that!
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 11, 2021, 12:04 AM
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Our defense, not KB, that got us to the CFP. As the #1 seed, no less.
TE/JS did a masterful job of play calling that year when you consider the limitations in KB's game and his unwillingness to grow.
DJU was a better backup last year than KB ever was.
And because of his development from UGa to now, DJU is already a better QB than KB, though he will never have Kelly's juke move that froze many DEs and LBs. The fact that KB set a consecutive-completion record in the ACCCG without ever throwing over the middle or into a zone is a testimony to Manny Diaz' utter incompetence as a defensive coordinator, not to KB's skills.
KB definitely overachieved during that first year as a starter, and his WR help wasn't that good, either. But he did have an experienced OL, which makes all the difference in the world.
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Bryant also had a much better team around him
Nov 11, 2021, 8:18 AM
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2017 defense was one of the best I've seen at Clemson and probably better overall than the 2016 or 2018 units that won titles.
And on offense he didn't have the best group of skill guys, but he did have some playmakers and certainly had a better OL blocking for him. And we were pretty healthy that entire season.
I do think KB in 2017 was better than 2021 DJ , but I also think DJ (and this entire team) would be better this year if it had Wilkins, Dex, Cle, Bryant, O'Daniel, Etienne, etc. Even Cain and McCloud, for as incontinent as they could be, were homerun hitters that made some huge plays for us. This 2021 WR corp is a bunch of big plodding possession receivers. I haven't seen anyone that can run by DBs.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 9:44 AM
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Here’s a different take - look at the RPO TD that DJ scored on and let’s talk about a one play analysis of where DJ has grown! Just trying to pour that glass of OJ half full instead of half empty.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 11:10 PM
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All I said was this was a good example of whee DJ needs to develop... this was easy to show.
I could go thru each play but in reality very few people care about the actual plays... easier to blanket criticize.
"You want to analysis something? Try analyzing how a season in which nobody saw this coming happened. You can't blame it all on DJ"
I actually don;t "blame" anyone specifically, it's never the same guy but it seems to always be someone, offsides, holding, wrong personnel, missed blocks, wrong hole, wrong route, yada, yada, yada...we are a young team and we act like it. Lots of injuries not helping, we look like the walking dead coming out of the tunnel last week for the FSU game...
Who's comparing DJ to TL? All I said was TL excelled at throwing guys open, Watson was very good at it too... DJ is not there yet, if he wants to be elite he needs to get there.
He's not the guy anyone thought he was going to be, but he is what we have at least until next year and IMHO he's getting better... he still has a way to go.
He mad plenty of "right throws" at Lville... after the play he threw two really good passes, mentioned above... as one announcer said he needs to make the layups.
I also think having Collins in the slot gives him a better option than Ross and Ross is far more comfortable outside where he has played...
Enjoy your OJ and FF...
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 7:34 AM
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All I see is a picture and from what I see throw it now to the guy you are saying to throw it deep to. Neither the safety or LB are close enough to get there and the receiver is looking back at DJ. Not sure how much the safety would move by trying to look him off since there is already safety help on that side of the field. If he throws it at the time of the picture he hits the receiver in between the linebacker and safety for a 15 to 20 yard gain.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 8:30 AM
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Kelly had more help! If DJ had the same run game and short/slot receiver game he could probably develop the long ball.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 9:40 AM
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Just don't know and not fair compare him to Lawrence or Watson whom I believe is the best player to don the Orange.He's no there.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 11:15 PM
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was trying to show what DJ could do... good QB's move the backers who key on the QB. The DB on the top had inside coverage so he could make a break on the ball if thrown on the hash or outside the hash to the top...
The initial look to the right (bottom of the pic) makes that safety stay to the middle, middle right of the field to guard against Allen...
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 10:30 AM
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There is a lot of really good stuff in your breakdown here.
I think this was physically the worst pass of the game for DJ.
What I mean by that is that he made a good decision and knew where to throw the ball and threw it on time, but it was a duck that sailed left and short on him.
I did think in live action that Collins might have had a chance to stop and catch it instead of continuing to run once the ball was in the air, but that could have been the camera angle deceiving me on how much of an adjustment he could have made to get a hand on the ball.
The only place I disagree with your take is that I don't think DJ needed to change a thing with his eyes or timing.
I think if DJ does everything the exact same before the throw, but instead hits Collins in stride, then the ball is a TD anyway.
The seam was there. The CB wasn't in a position to catch Collins to make a tackle if the ball is thrown to the correct spot and the safety never recovered enough to be in the play with a well thrown ball either.
Sure he could have looked off the safety and had a bigger window, but if the safety isn't in position to make a play it could cause DJ to not see where the corner is by looking the opposite direction to unnecessarily move the safety.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 11:20 PM
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no real argument, if he looks him off the play is alot easier and takes the safety on the left (top) out of the play if he can walk the right safety more to the right(bottom) of the image and open up the area just inside the hash...
IMHO, looking at the play a few times, he would have had to throw a dart to fit it in, not sure he gets it in over the top... maybe, we will never know.
And yes that was his worst throw of the game... I still wonder if it slipped or something.
Thanks for input...
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 11:11 AM
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Great analysis! I have posted similar comments after previous games as I have noticed the same thing. Likewise, I am sure our coaches have as well and I am sure they are using them as teachable moments in DJ’s development. At the end of the day, we forget how young and in experienced he is. The positive is you can see his growth and improvement over the course of the season.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 9, 2021, 11:56 PM
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The bigger issue I have... is why four go routes? Nothing short, nothing crossing, no checkdown available. If coverage is tight, the play ends in a throw away at best and can easily lead to a sack or interception. This play call seems to be our "go to" play when we want to take a shot. Not very creative. And puts a lot of pressure on DJ.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 10, 2021, 11:12 PM
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quick answer is one more receiver than they have people to cover it... this was one play.
The point of the post was to demonstrate an area where I think DJ can improve not about play calls... however I'm sure it was something they saw and called the 4 deep, would have worked really well if DJ made the right throw... plays like this have to make TE cringe and Streeter not sleep at night...
I do agree we seem to ignore the middle of the field...
On a plus note Beaux Collins is a much better option in the slot than Ross and has a good feel for finding soft spots.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 11, 2021, 1:14 AM
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Isn’t this play essentially the same issue DJ had on the INT against FSU? The safety read his eyes from the snap and got the jump to the ball.
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 15, 2021, 1:43 AM
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sure seems similar... and from the stands (play you commented on) I knew where he was going to throw and could see the train wreck coming as soon as he let it go...
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I wonder...
Nov 11, 2021, 7:42 AM
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Does DJ know the routes of all his receivers on any particular play rather than learning just the primary? Is that too harsh a question?
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Re: I wonder...
Nov 15, 2021, 1:44 AM
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not at all, he should know them some may be receiver/Qb reads but I'm not a holder of the playbook...
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Re: One play analysis of where DJ needs to grow a little
Nov 15, 2021, 6:14 AM
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DJ can't throw the ball in the ocean out of a boat.
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