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OK Tell Me


Feb 19, 2018, 10:19 PM

What law would have prevented the seventeen deaths by the shooter.

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Re: OK Tell Me


Feb 19, 2018, 10:24 PM

If the assault weapons ban had still been in place, he wouldn't have had an AR-15.

Yeah yeah, we know, the halfwit would have figured out how to alter a musket to shoot 60 rounds.

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Re: OK Tell Me


Feb 20, 2018, 8:37 AM

Thank you for responding. You mentioned the assault weapons ban would have prevented the shooter possessing a AR 15. The assault weapons ban made cosmetic changes to rifles that looked like military weapons.The AR 15 was made legal by removing the bayonet lug and permanently attaching the muzzle brake. By the way AR does not stand for Assault Rifle is stands for Armalite Inc. , the company Eugene Stoner worked for. The civilian version of the rifle was and is still called the AR 15. All weapons prior to the ban were grandfathered in, so if you owned one with a bayonet lug, folding stock or a removable muzzle brake it was permissible. During the ban millions of weapons were sold with a civilian style stock and no muzzle brake, mainly AK style rifles. Rifles were identified as pre-ban and post-ban rifles.

When the sunset clause kicked in and the law expired and was not renewed it became legal again to sell rifles that had folding stock, pistol grips, a bayonet lug and removable muzzle brake. I hope this helps you understand the Assault Weapons Ban would not have prevented the shooter from possessing or owning the rifle he owned or one very similar to the one he owned.

He purchased his rifle legally, filled out all paperwork required under the law, provided a valid ID and passed a required background check.

Thanks again


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Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented


Feb 19, 2018, 10:37 PM

But limiting to 10 rounds or less, one or two guns per person, better background checks and more automated registration of individuals who should not own guns. Those things could have prevented this.

Seems to me like we should be able to create a system where any time the police are called out for a domestic disturbance, such an individual should automatically be prevented from buying or even owning a weapon for a few years. The burden of proof should then be on the individual to prove they can be trusted with a gun.

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But what if an individual is falsely accused ....


Feb 19, 2018, 10:46 PM

Without legitimate evidence.

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Re: But what if an individual is falsely accused ....


Feb 20, 2018, 8:39 AM

Bingo!

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Re: Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented


Feb 19, 2018, 10:52 PM [ in reply to Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented ]

That's not how it works though. Due process requires a hearing and opportunity to respond. You can't take away someone's life, liberty, or property without due process.

It would make sense to set up panels to hear these cases more quickly, separate from the currently backlogged courts.

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Re: Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented


Feb 19, 2018, 11:09 PM

Yes. That makes sense. I'm for due process. But I wished we viewed guns, at least when violence has taken place, as more of a privelage than a right. I'm also concerned that crazy people fearing their guns would be taken would kill before hand. I say take the guns and use quick due process to determine if they should be returned.

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Re: Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented


Feb 19, 2018, 11:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented ]

Yes. That makes sense. I'm for due process. But I wished we viewed guns, at least when violence has taken place, as more of a privelage than a right. I'm also concerned that crazy people fearing their guns would be taken would kill before hand. I say take the guns and use quick due process to determine if they should be returned.

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Re: Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented


Feb 19, 2018, 11:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented ]

Yes. That makes sense. I'm for due process. But I wished we viewed guns, at least when violence has taken place, as more of a privelage than a right. I'm also concerned that crazy people fearing their guns would be taken would kill before hand. I say take the guns and use quick due process to determine if they should be returned.

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Re: Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented


Feb 19, 2018, 11:09 PM [ in reply to Re: Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented ]

Yes. That makes sense. I'm for due process. But I wished we viewed guns, at least when violence has taken place, as more of a privelage than a right. I'm also concerned that crazy people fearing their guns would be taken would kill before hand. I say take the guns and use quick due process to determine if they should be returned.

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Clearly I have no patience for slow responding buttons and pages tonight.


Feb 19, 2018, 11:19 PM

Nm

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2nd Amendment is a right. It's on the Bill of RIGHTS.***


Feb 20, 2018, 11:17 AM



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Re: Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented


Feb 20, 2018, 9:05 AM [ in reply to Perhaps some deaths could not have been prevented ]

When the M 16 was first intergrated into the military the standard magazine only held twenty rounds. In Vietnam the enemy were using rifles that held thirty rounds. The GI became very proficient at changing the twenty round magazine in a fire fight. I used this strictly to show you that limiting the size of the magazine to ten rounds would not have significantly reduced the shooter from carrying out his gruesome task...You ask why, well he would have practiced changing mags at a rapid pace and simply carried more magazines. You must also realize that there are millions of thirty round magazines in circulation, even if declared illegal to own you can not assume the shooter would automatically become a model citizen and discard his thirty round magazine if he owned one. Limiting the ownership to one or two firearms is not the answer he used only one firearm to murder with as most do.

It is already illegal, for convicted felons, mentally ill, persons "convicted" of domestic violence and drug addicts to own or have in their possession a firearm or ammunition of any description.

I thank you for contributing and sincerely hope my answers helps you understand the reality of the issue.

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PG15- No single law / change. But more extensive background


Feb 19, 2018, 11:12 PM

Checks with defined mental health criteria would be a start. Also reasonable additional background checks for ownership of higher capacity weapons.

Responsible gun owners should be able to own semi-automatic weapons. The goal is to keep those weapons from the mentally unstable.

No doubt threading a needle.

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Re: PG15- No single law / change. But more extensive background


Feb 20, 2018, 10:02 AM

Certainly incurable mental illness and fire arms are like oil and water, they don't mix. What about the soldier with a temporary bout of PTSD, or someone with a brief period of depression or some other so-called mental disorder that can be successfully treated and cured, should they be denied ownership of a firearm? If the person happens to be you how would you answer this question?

Another thing at play here is the Kassenbaum-Kennedy Act of 1996 more affectionately known as HIPPA. This legislation has made it virtually impossible for medical professionals to share pertinent medical information with authorities due to the privacy portion of the act.

We already have background checks in place that are processed through the NICS center, this check is required by all dealers regardless whether purchasing a single shot 22 or a AR 15. Keep in mind the shooter legally purchased his rifle and passed a background check.

Thank you for taking time to respond.

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Not sure. But "no guns on school proprety" and that


Feb 20, 2018, 10:02 AM

other law against killing people are not getting the job done.

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Re: Not sure. But "no guns on school proprety" and that


Feb 20, 2018, 10:25 AM

How many shooters choose a police station as their target? Their targets are "soft" targets, military bases (yes military bases), movie theaters, schools, clubs, and workplaces, all gun free zones except for the shooter.

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Yup.


Feb 20, 2018, 10:28 AM

No one ever shoots up a police station, or a gun range, or a gun store.

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