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OK, some of you oldtimers help me out here....
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OK, some of you oldtimers help me out here....


Jan 11, 2020, 9:50 PM

The infamous Tobacco Road Refs... there were 3 or 4 whose names I could always toss out, but having a brain fart tonight. Karl Hess is the only one I remember right off hand. Who are the others???

You know, the ones who always... ALWAYS called the phantom fouls that favored the Tar Holes & Puke in the final minutes. And ignored their fouls. Many a game decided this way over the last 50 years...

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Jan 11, 2020, 9:53 PM

The name Lenny Wirtz comes to mind but remember I’m old

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A couple were Hank Nichols and Lennie Wirtz***


Jan 11, 2020, 9:53 PM



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Yes! Yes! Yes! Exactly the names I was looking for! Thank you!!


Jan 11, 2020, 9:55 PM



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Jan 11, 2020, 9:58 PM

Wasn't Lou Bellows one?

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Jan 11, 2020, 10:02 PM

Lou had all of these crazy antics as he was officiating on the BB court, but he was always calling against Clemson. Remember one football game in Chapel Hill that everyone there said the Clemson made a field goal to win but he called it bad. That's before they had the two officials under each upright, and the official standing behind the kicker called it.

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Jan 11, 2020, 10:13 PM [ in reply to Re: OK, some of you oldtimers help me out here.... ]

Lou Bello was also a football ref, and he stole the 1965 game from us. We were down 3 or 4 points to the heels in CH, and a TD would win it. We had 1st and goal at the 1 yd line with 25 seconds left when our offense set up for the play. Bello stood over the ball for those 25 seconds and wouldn't let us snap the ball, and the clock ran out with him standing there. Maybe the worst act ever by an ACC official, and the conference didn't do anything about it.

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Jan 11, 2020, 9:59 PM

Jamie Luckie...

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Remember the game where JR Reid slammed a tiger in the face


Jan 11, 2020, 10:01 PM

With his elbow and they called the foul on the tiger. It was a tie game if memory serves correct. Then the ref called a techinical on the tiger coach. unc won by that 6 point swing.

Tigers had momentum and had the heels on the ropes before those horrible game changing calls.

During the off season the NCAA made a rule change that any player swinging elbows drew an automatic foul.

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Lennie Wirtz for a THOUSAND years.***


Jan 11, 2020, 10:03 PM



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I remember when Maryland left the ACC, and from their boards


Jan 11, 2020, 10:07 PM

the main thought was... at least we'll get to play a fair basketball game with BIG10 refs. It's not a good match in terms of geography, we'll get our butts kicked in football... but it will be nice to finally have a fighting chance in basketball. And they mentioned these refs named above. Which of course, we are all too familiar with. I can promise you, tonight would not have happened if any of the old school Tobacco Road Refs had been on the court. You had to see it to believe it... year after year, decade after decade.

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Jan 11, 2020, 10:11 PM

#### Pepparo (sp?) was one of the worst.

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Jan 11, 2020, 10:13 PM

#### = Common nickname given to men named Richard

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Jan 11, 2020, 10:16 PM

He was so bad, his name was etetnally banned from being used on TNET.

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Jan 11, 2020, 10:26 PM

I think it was in CH in the 70's Terrell Suit got a broken jaw from some UNC goon of the era. Never was a foul called for that.

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Jan 11, 2020, 10:47 PM

I think that was the last time we played in the North - South doubleheader

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Terrell walked by Dad and I . . .


Jan 11, 2020, 11:32 PM

that night after the game as we left the Charlotte Coliseum . . . Jaw already wired shut . . . The kid (he's roughly my age) could shoot the eyes out of it . . . Wish the "3 pointer" was in effect when he was playing . . . Butch Zatealo too!!!!!!!

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Mike Woods***


Jan 11, 2020, 10:30 PM



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Jan 11, 2020, 11:00 PM

Hernjack and Nichols....basically travelled with Dean Smith

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Lou Bello . . . rings a bell***


Jan 11, 2020, 11:03 PM



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