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Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 3:19 PM
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They have two 5 star WRs committed to them now. Clemson hasn’t signed a 5 star WR since 2017 (Higgins). Which is crazy to believe.
They likely take the WRU name over the next few years. Wilson and Olave were 1st rounders. Jaxon Smith-Njigba will go 1st round this year. They still have Julian Fleming and Emeka Egbuka, two former 5 stars, on their roster.
Hopefully we can steal Noah Rogers from them now that they have two 5 stars committed.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 3:28 PM
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We need to counterattack with 5 * safeties...
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 5:29 PM
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If our D line puts the QB on his back he can’t complete anything to them.
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Leon
Jun 21, 2022, 3:32 PM
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- you are one of my fav posters.
$$ is talking. Colleges (at least for now ) can buy players. Hopefully this will ~~~ over time, if not CFB is on thin ice.
The deal at Clemson lately has been getting some guys with potential and coaching them up.
Tigers have hit on some, missed on some.
Last two seasons have been a joke. Players were there, just not healthy. OHS has more *****, but the cupboard at Clemson is not bare. I don't think that will be a weak point for us.
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Re: Leon
Jun 21, 2022, 3:36 PM
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Nah. I posted below. NIL wasn't there in 2020. Scott left and imho, a little roster mismanagement, coupled with the injuries.
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May I ask why he is a favorite?***
Jun 21, 2022, 3:58 PM
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Re: May I ask why he is a favorite?***
Jun 21, 2022, 4:09 PM
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It’s probably because of my dialectics.
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why
Jun 21, 2022, 5:26 PM
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His name and ava is a Russian-Ukrainian Marxist revolutionary, political theorist and politician.
I don't know why he chose that, but find it interesting.
He often posts his thinking as to football. His thinking is always valid.
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Oculus Spirit [76763]
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He’s the Bugs Bunny of T-net.***
Jun 21, 2022, 5:31 PM
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Re: why
Jun 21, 2022, 7:06 PM
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I was in the process of writing a paper on the Bolshevik Revolution. Trotsky played an important role in the Bolsheviks seizing the failed Russian state. So I just used his name for this page since he was fresh in my mind. There’s no deeper meaning for why I chose him.
Maybe I wanted to be controversial and a communist seemed like an easy way to ruffle some feathers.
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Re: why
Jun 21, 2022, 7:14 PM
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Mission accomplished you #### commie!!
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Re: why
Jun 21, 2022, 7:23 PM
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I can take my bow
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I guess that’s fair as it
Jun 21, 2022, 7:38 PM
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goes along with your post style. Controversy aka trolling seems to come naturally to you. Congerts! I love a good troll as long as I don’t take offense.
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Well, that was a disappointing origin story, should delete and fabricate....
Jun 22, 2022, 3:52 AM
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A more entertaining & imaginative one.
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Re: Well, that was a disappointing origin story, should delete and fabricate....
Jun 22, 2022, 9:04 AM
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Fidel Castro?
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 3:32 PM
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Adam Randall seems like the next great one at Clemson. Ngata is solid, after that? I have not been paying much attention.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 3:36 PM
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The Collins twins aint done yet -
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Exactly. There were only two 5-star WRs
Jun 21, 2022, 8:17 PM
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in the country in the last signing class. As it was, we signed #10 Beaux Collins, #16 Troy Stellato, and #36 Dacari Collins. That's a TREMENDOUS wide receiver class. I'm not sure what the gnashing of teeth is all about - typical TNet, I guess.
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Re: Exactly. There were only two 5-star WRs
Jun 21, 2022, 9:00 PM
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Beaux was actually 12 and Stellato 32 and their development is tbd. Stellato should have been instant impact but can't grasp the playbook. Anyway, not shabby but not wru title worthy.
No doubt in my mind had Jeff still been our recruiter/wr we'd have hauled in either Fleming or egbuka and kept us a flow going. Scott brought in Ladson and Ngata - no one could foresee the injuries. That said, we had tee, Amari, and Ross so we weren't bringing in the 98, 99 talent and have them sit for what appeared to be 2 years. Again, no one could predict the Ross situation.
So, it's not gnashing of teeth, nor Tnet as usual. The original post was merely an observation that we've lost our wru title. No denying at this moment that OSU is both developing and recruiting more WR talent than us. We lost with Scott leaving. And yes, I do agree Leon has a point on our simple route tree. It is.
Tnet has a lot of smart posters that know their stuff. Some may even be part of Clemson and maybe Dabo's staff.
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So Beaux Collins didn't look like a future star?
Jun 21, 2022, 10:12 PM
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, working as a true freshman.... in THAT offense ? He was one of the most "developed" guys on the field as the season progressed. He looked like a 5-star, when you consider the difficulties of the offense.
Dacari Collins developed. He definitely flashed his skillset... in *that* offense.
You can't say EJ didn't develop, because he was hurt.
Stellato needs to get healthy and get on the field.
Spector will improve for sure.
Ngata, banged up. He could have a great year, obviously.
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Re: So Beaux Collins didn't look like a future star?
Jun 22, 2022, 4:02 AM
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OSU WR pos group is significantly
more talented than other in the DivI-FBS.
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That's true, but has always been so.
Jun 22, 2022, 11:16 AM
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It was production in college and performance in the NFL that earned us the moniker. Again, we had one off year - last year with the struggling QB position. Ohio State has always signed more talent than us. We have not been sucking up consensus 5-stars.
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Exactly. There were only two 5-star WRs
Jun 21, 2022, 8:20 PM
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in the country in the last signing class. As it was, we signed #10 Beaux Collins, #16 Troy Stellato, and #36 Dacari Collins. That's a TREMENDOUS wide receiver class. I'm not sure what the gnashing of teeth is all about - typical TNet, I guess.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 4:08 PM
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Ngata has 1st round talent but injuries will prevent that from happening. EJ Williams will get drafted but not in the 1st round. Beaux and Dacari look like future NFL WRs but probably not 1st rounders. We have to wait and see with Randall and Antonio. It’s obviously too early to judge them.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 8:49 PM
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Ngata has 1st round talent but injuries will prevent that from happening. EJ Williams will get drafted but not in the 1st round. Beaux and Dacari look like future NFL WRs but probably not 1st rounders. We have to wait and see with Randall and Antonio. It’s obviously too early to judge them.
Obviously peanut.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 3:33 PM
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Thanks. I brought up something similar in another thread but I had no idea it'd been 2017. Ouch. Wonder what happened in and around 17. Hmmm ?? , well we signed only one receiver in 18 - Ross. Then in the huge 19 class we brought in two studs in Ladson and Ngata, along with Spec. Then Scott left that season.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 4:12 PM
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Our WRs have been knocked for not having a developed route running tree when going to through the draft process. They had that knock when Jeff Scott was the WR coach too. Since we don’t run an NFL system, our WRs aren’t asked to run NFL route combinations. This is to say that our WRs are bad route runners, they just have more to learn than other WRs. Nuk is arguably a top 3 route runner in the league today.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 5:30 PM
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Does the fact the QB has had less time to let a route run inter in?
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 5:31 PM
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Renfrow may be the best route runner in the league …
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 7:08 PM
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I forgot to mention Renfrow. He’s probably in the top 10 for route running. He’s only used in the slot though. Nuk is used in the field, boundary, and slot. So I’d put his route running ability ahead of Renfrow.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 5:40 PM
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Lmao no one says that about Clemson's receivers. In fact many teams have said former Clemson receivers were well coached and game ready. Almost no college teams run NFL offenses or have NFL level route trees installed in their offense. Clemson has as complex route concepts as just about any other college team and more complex than many.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 7:22 PM
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There are plenty of articles on Google that you can find with concerns about our WRs. And you’re wrong about teams not running pro-style systems. A lot of teams have one form of a pro-style offense. Especially the great teams. Alabama under Bill O’Brien. Georgia under Todd Monken, former OC for the Browns. Ohio State under Ryan Day, former QB coach for the 49ers and Eagles. Notre Adams under Tommy Rees, former coach for the Chargers. Michigan under Jim Harbaugh. Texas A&M under Jimbo Fisher. LSU had Joe Brady.
I’ll just stop there since all of those teams have HCs/OCs that run pro-style offenses. The vast majority of those coaches have NFL coaching experience as well.
Now, correct your statement, sir.
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True, but all apply spread concepts w/ regularity****
Jun 22, 2022, 4:07 AM
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Re: True, but all apply spread concepts w/ regularity****
Jun 22, 2022, 9:06 AM
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Same as NFL teams now. Most of them spread the ball out in pass heavy offenses. Rule changes sort of dictated that. It’s more friendly for QBs and WRs, which is why passing numbers are off the charts.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 22, 2022, 5:33 PM
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All of those teams use a mix of spread and pro concepts, as does Clemson. How about provider links to all of these articles of NFL personnel criticizing Clemson receivers. I haven't seen any. In fact I've seen the opposite. Pretty sure you're just making that up
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The only "experts" who said that were on TNet.
Jun 21, 2022, 8:37 PM
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In 2021 we barely had a functional QB and a plethora of WR injuries. In 2020 (same coach) we had the most productive passing game in Clemson history.
There's nothing wrong with our WRs. We need a QB who can get them the ball.
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And yet...
Jun 21, 2022, 3:38 PM
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they are still in Ohio, lol.
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Re: And yet...
Jun 21, 2022, 4:01 PM
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they have a branch location in Hilton Head. Easily riled.
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Swamp Guy
Jun 21, 2022, 5:38 PM
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FM will get more TU than Leon just because he posted and has friends. That is not fair, just as-sholes sucking up to a celebrity.
Your post implies that Ohio and all as to that state are cr ap.
I agree 100%. and can back that up.
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And I thought it was mildly funny.
Jun 21, 2022, 6:40 PM
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Re: And I thought it was mildly funny.
Jun 21, 2022, 7:07 PM
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Would you think it funny if your angry Mother-In-law was from there?
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Oh the irony.***
Jun 22, 2022, 11:29 AM
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cool. they can have it.. and i'll throw in
Jun 21, 2022, 3:47 PM
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Myrtle beach if they stay out of the rest of South Carolina
and there in we will have the peace.
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Re: cool. they can have it.. and i'll throw in
Jun 21, 2022, 5:42 PM
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Don't get me started -- the most wonderful place in the world for me was Myrtle.
That is lost.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 3:52 PM
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Brian Hartline is their Jeff Scott. Young guy. Former player. Great recruiter and position coach. Been a thorn in our WR recruiting for sure.
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Re: Young guy. Former player
Jun 21, 2022, 5:29 PM
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That is a great deal of why it's happening at OSU, plus he develops them. This was happening before any NIL$, so maybe there's other reasons he can get a stacked wr unit.
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Again, we had ONE off year for WRs
Jun 21, 2022, 8:45 PM
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and that was with a barely functional QB and a ton of injuries. With the same coach in the year prior we had the most productive passing attack in Clemson history.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 3:56 PM
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According to some Tnet Fans you cant sign a highly rated player if you already have highly rated players on the roster. Guess they were ill informed...
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Re: Yet...
Jun 21, 2022, 4:36 PM
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We have 2 National Championships over that era to their none
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Re: Ohio State / J.Ngata was a Rivals 5* in 2019 class
Jun 21, 2022, 4:47 PM
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Joseph Ngata was a Rivals 5* in our 2019 class.
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Re: Ohio State / J.Ngata was a Rivals 5* in 2019 class
Jun 21, 2022, 7:25 PM
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I only pay attention to the 247 composite rankings since it’s a collection of all recruiting analysts’ opinion.
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There were TWO 5-star WRs in the 2021
Jun 21, 2022, 8:53 PM
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class. We didn't recruit either one of them.
Can you tell me of any (247) 5-star receivers we tried to get since 2019 that spurned us? I think the number is zero.
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Re: There were TWO 5-star WRs in the 2021
Jun 22, 2022, 9:10 AM
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Julian Fleming and Rakim Jarrett in 2020
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Fleming got an offer in 2020 (from Jeff Scott)
Jun 22, 2022, 11:58 AM
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And we never offerred Jarrett.
Soo, one (consensus) 5-star miss? Again, we haven't been swinging and missing on 5-star WRs, and there's nothing wrong with our roster of WRs. Their ability was not the reason we *only* won 10 games last year. We need a QB who can get them the ball.
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Re: Fleming got an offer in 2020 (from Jeff Scott)
Jun 22, 2022, 12:35 PM
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According to 247, we offered three 5 star WRs in 2022: Fleming, Demas, and Jarrett
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 5:24 PM
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One more reason why this year is huge. We are falling out of favor with the big name guys. Not only are we not getting them, if you go down the list on 247 we aren't even being considered by the top 50 give or so take a few like say Joseph and that looks shaky. Happy with the guys we have but if it continues this way ( we are seeing the same thing in regards to landing a top tier RB ) Clemson fans , myself included are going to need to temper expectations. Dabo and Co likely can't continue to compete for national championships , nor should he be expected to. There is some level of comfort in that we are still landing the top most critical piece of the offense ( QB ) but will that continue if we are no longer in the hunt ?
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Ladson was a 5 star***
Jun 21, 2022, 7:17 PM
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Re: Ladson was a 5 star***
Jun 21, 2022, 7:25 PM
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I only pay attention to the 247 composite rankings since it’s a collection of all recruiting analysts’ opinion. He was a composite 4 star.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 7:43 PM
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I guess we'll just have to be DLU.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 21, 2022, 7:44 PM
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Who would you want throwing to you? Their guy or DJ….
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How many have we recruited?
Jun 21, 2022, 8:39 PM
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Any?
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Hell, you were paying attention...
Jun 22, 2022, 3:45 AM
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Don't sugarcoat it, you know they took it last year. They are stacked 3 deep w/ superior talent than us at the WR position; the talent of their WR pos group is unmatched in the FBS.
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Hell, you were paying attention...
Jun 22, 2022, 3:45 AM
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Don't sugarcoat it, you know they took it last year. They are stacked 3 deep w/ superior talent than us at the WR position; the talent of their WR pos group is unmatched in the FBS.
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OSU has always had more depth and talent.
Jun 22, 2022, 11:34 AM
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The moniker wasn't a measure of number of stars. We've never led OSU in that regard. Actual output, showing up on the big stage, and productive NFL players are what earned the title. It's not like we've relinquished a trophy for most 5-stars.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 22, 2022, 6:36 PM
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Noah Rogers to Ohio State. Sick.
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Re: Ohio State
Jun 22, 2022, 7:01 PM
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As long as we continue to recruit good players regardless of how many stars they have we will get excellent results. I am not one to argue that "stars" do not mean anything, but teams we play all have good receivers .... NC State, Pitt (or used to anyway) Boston College, UNC, VT, and they are certainly not signing 5 stars .... other once in a blue moon. If we can get the ball to our guys they will be very effective. I am not worried!
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