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Elliott should probably beg David Cutcliffe to come out of
Oct 13, 2022, 9:11 AM
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retirement.
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Re: Elliott should probably beg David Cutcliffe to come out of
Oct 13, 2022, 9:36 AM
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I love Coach Elliott and wish him success for many reasons, and comparisons like this are unfair due to many factors on both sides of the equation. But the numbers do stand out even if coincidental.
Hope TE proves his new team is on a journey that may take a step back to push even further forward.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 9:23 AM
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It is fair.
Trevor should have a Heisman and 3 Nattys. Tony Elliot was a terrible OC.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 9:27 AM
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Another racist ignorant post, thank you.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 9:36 AM
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 9:44 AM
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Racist? Do you just walk around trying to get offended?
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 10:08 AM
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racist? what was racist about his post? you must be a liberal.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 11:30 AM
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What in the world was racist about that comment? I think TE was a fine coach, play calling a little suspect but what fan doesnt think that about the OC when they arent scoring 50 a game. To jump to your conclusion about the poster's intent is just crazy.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 8:53 PM
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Tony E- Great man. Really good recruiter. Obviously a Clemson guy so we always pull for him.
As an OC, he was not great at Clemson. The “joes” made him look really good at times, but his calling and scheme left allot to be desired. And this was during the TL years.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 11:37 AM
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Is every opinion racist that you don’t agree with?
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 11:53 AM
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What the hell does racism have to do with this? Oh that's right when a person of color is not successful it's always racism. Personal accountability are words that don't fit into your vocabulary.
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I agree. Surely comments like that deserve a ban***
Oct 13, 2022, 2:09 PM
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Wow, what lamesauce . . .
Oct 13, 2022, 2:18 PM
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From the "I can't stand being disagreed with, so YOU'RE RACIST," Department. Weaksauce. Dishonest. Hyper-accusatory. Unsubstantiated horsecrap - and we all know it.
Whatever one thinks of Coach Elliot's job performance is beside the point. I think he was less than great but better than terrible.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 5:12 PM
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I'm assuming you are joking?
Or do you believe anything negative said about a black person (even if not mentioning race) is racist?
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I don't think Elliott is a particularly good OC
Oct 13, 2022, 9:45 AM
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But our defense also gave up 42 to LSU (28 in the 1st half) and 49 to Ohio State (35 in the 1st half). Oh and even if we had beaten OSU in 2020 we still would've faced an even better team with an even more devastating offense in Bama.
So, while our offense might not have been up to snuff in those games, the defense played just as big of a role, and probably a bigger one, in our losing.
And just in general, saying anyone "shouldve" won 3 titles in a row is ridiculous. When's the last time anyone has done yet? Was it Oklahoma like 60 years ago? Saban hasn't even managed that feat.
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Re: I don't think Elliott is a particularly good OC
Oct 13, 2022, 9:59 AM
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That's why both coaches are gone. Clemson defense was good before all of Brent's kids joined the team and their friends were starters.
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Re: I don't think Elliott is a particularly good OC
Oct 13, 2022, 10:03 AM
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Pretty sure the coordinators are gone because they got HC offers...but don't let facts get in the way of your ridiculously inaccurate rant.
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Re: I don't think Elliott is a particularly good OC
Oct 13, 2022, 11:55 AM
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Last time I checked the defense was better after they joined the team. Way to go Mr %26! You have failed yet once again coot.
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Re: I don't think Elliott is a particularly good OC
Oct 13, 2022, 10:04 AM
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I'm still bitter that Clemson had it's best recruiting classes of all time ... and couldn't beat LSU or Ohio State.
Like just watch the play when Skalski got targeting against LSU and little BV's kid went in as linebacker and was absolutely TRUCKED at the 10 or 15 yd line.
He just stood there and got laid out. He would then go on the be the LB over Barrett Carter, Trenton, Mike Jones, etc
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He was the most successful tenured OC
Oct 13, 2022, 5:05 PM
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In America, in spite of one bad season where the issue was a barely functional QB. The stats, wins, playoff wins, ranked wins, natty appearances, and national championships back that up.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 14, 2022, 4:15 PM
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It is fair.
Trevor should have a Heisman and 3 Nattys. Tony Elliot was a terrible OC.
He's better than any of your coot OC's....
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 9:26 AM
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Then why did you post it?
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Because he’s a former Clemson player and coach
Oct 13, 2022, 9:38 AM
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who is not even one year removed from our staff. HTH
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 11:56 AM
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Newsflash Malcom,everything ain't racist but you are a race hustler so get the eff outta here you grifter.
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I looked at this last week and thought hmm....
Oct 13, 2022, 9:28 AM
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Hard to objectively compare two programs/rosters as different as Clemson and UVA BUT the offensive trend where Elliot has now spent his last two years does raise an eyebrow.
Listening to Elliott the other day it sounds like he is fighting a "that's not the way we did it with Bronco" problem at UVA. Not saying that Bronco's culture was bad but it appears to be hindering buy-in to what Elliott is trying to do. I wish Elliott all the success in the world and hope he can pull it together at UVA.
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Re: I looked at this last week and thought hmm....
Oct 13, 2022, 9:58 AM
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Begs the question: does Elliott have the will (and admin support) to clean house if necessary? Could turn the rebuild into a 5-year project.
Also, is he serving as the OC or just the HC?
Hope he rebounds fast for his sake. Couldn’t care less about UVA beyond his own success.
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Re: Compare O-Lines 2022 vs 2021 for UVA and for Clemson
Oct 13, 2022, 9:38 AM
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A better comparison (but not as easy nor as fun as comparing Yr. vs. Yr. QB play) is that of the 2021 vs. 2022 O-Line play for UVA and Clemson.
2021: UVA had an excellent O-line, led by their super-stud Center Olusegun Oluwatimi. This is the guy who portal'd out of UVA after 2021 season and ended up as Michigan's starting C for 2022. (This is one of the very few guys that Dabo went after in the portal.)
Ryan Nelson - 2021 OL starter for entire season
Chris Glaser - 2021 OL starter for entire season
Ryan Swoboda - 2021 OL starter for entire season
Bobby Haskins - started 2nd half of 2021
Every single one of these guys are gone from UVA's 2022 roster.
No wonder that UVA QB Brennan Armstrong's 2022 stats are pathetic when compared to 2021.
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For DJU, the opposite happened (OK, our OL wasn't as terrible in 2021 as UVA's is in 2022, but you get the general idea). Our OL play is far far better this year than it was in 2021.
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Re: Compare O-Lines 2022 vs 2021 for UVA and for Clemson
Oct 13, 2022, 11:54 AM
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^ This
Current image of the UVA offensive line
https://dp4g669tqdae4.cloudfront.net/content/uploads/2020/11/Multi-ethnic-group-of-students-in-class-1168223009_1258x838.jpeg
That oline trickles. Their yardage per attempt is way down (shows they have to get it out quickly) and their efficiency is way down.
But here is the funny part. They are just as good as Cuse for getting a first down. They ain't bad on that front - middling, yeah but that says something. But as the field gets condensed, they struggle more and more and that is where you see the oline issues form as now there is less space for openings to develop. They are also struggling to run the ball which just makes it worse too.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 10:14 AM
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He is putting in a system that doesn't fit for the athletes they have.
Trying to run the same system he ran at Clemson w/o the deep ball threat for those 50/50 plays.
Armstrong was one of the top QBs in the league last season
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not fair to SOLELY blame TE, but he wasn't a great OC
Oct 13, 2022, 10:14 AM
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once the key ingredient of Jeff Scott left........as Co-Coordinators they made a good team
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 11:07 AM
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The OL situation is left out of that equation.
Clemson's 2021 OL wasnt great much of the season but got better at run blocking later in the season.
UVAs 2021 OL was pretty good.
Clemson's 2022 OL has great pass pro
UVA's 2022 OL is not good
Easy to just draw a line through TE for this and it may play out that way as time goes but definitely more variables here that a tweet pic doesnt cover.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 12:00 PM
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Oh I think it’s the mass majority
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 12:14 PM
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I think it should be mandated that no one be allowed to post on a message board until they can successfully describe the term "spurious correlation."
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 12:57 PM
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One thing we have this year that we didn't last year...
Oct 13, 2022, 1:17 PM
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was a trimmed down playcalling. DJ is limited to obeying the calls rather than choosing between pass, run or handoff or any combination thereof.
I can't say it's all on TE but a lack of TE brought these decisions forward. At some point one just has to say, 'dance with the one that brung you,' and leave the options out. DJ is doing fine with that recent limitation.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 2:34 PM
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Armstrong could have left and helped a good program be much better. Now he is saddled with the same vanilla offense he ran at Clemson last year. i think Elliot is a great person that truly wants to do what is best for the player and the school. I think he has a chance to be a fine head coach just stay out of the play calling
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 2:50 PM
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Pretty obvious we are a much better offensive team without Elliott calling the plays. Been saying that since day one....
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 5:01 PM
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Really? Based on what?
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 3:00 PM
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I was happy when Elliott left. Wish him well but we got to win games...
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During Elliot's tenure we were the 2nd winningest team in
Oct 13, 2022, 5:07 PM
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the country. So it's Tony's fault we weren't #1??
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 5:48 PM
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TE fired last years OC at UVA and now he’s lighting it up a Syracuse.
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He didn't "fire" him. He brought in his own staff, like most
Oct 14, 2022, 2:53 PM
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coaches do. He is in his first year as a head coach... maybe some of you jump-the-gunners could step back and truly look at what Tony did for Clemson?
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Product of play calling? I think its a fair point***
Oct 13, 2022, 5:57 PM
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What about the other 6 years he was here???
Oct 14, 2022, 2:51 PM
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Statistics much?
Yet again, we were hampered last year by four things:
1. (7) different lineups on the OL (due to injuries)
2. WR injuries and inexperience.
3. RB inexperience
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3. We STRUGGLED MIGHTILY at the most important position the field. DJ.
There are no magic play calls you can run when the four things above are in bad shape.
To say Tony was a poor playcaller is absurd. He led us to a the most explosive offenses and greatest accomplishments in Clemson history. Please have some common sense.
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 13, 2022, 8:22 PM
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T.E. is a great guy. He is not a great player developer. He is a great recruiter. He is not a great O.C.
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Nonsense. The proof is in his resume.***
Oct 14, 2022, 2:52 PM
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Re: Not fair to Tony Elliot
Oct 14, 2022, 4:16 PM
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It is his first year as head coach just give him a little time to adjust same with Venables.
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