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Orange Blooded [2669]
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No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 1:55 PM
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Continue to hear this bs from sad, annoying posters. Players don't develop under brownell and brownell hasn't improved this program during his tenure.
Quick question...... which roster do you think is better?
Pg: Andre young - sr
SG: Tanner Smith - Jr
SF: Bryan narcisse - sr
PF: Milton Jennings - Jr
C: Devin booker - Sr
Bench: rod hall fr, catelin baciu sr, kj mcdaniels fr.
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PG: Chase Hunter - super senior
SG: Joe Girard
SF: Jack Clark or rj godfrey
PF: Ian schef
C: PJ Hall
Bench: Alex Hemenway super senior, rj godfrey soph, Chauncey Wiggins soph, Dillon hunter soph, josh beadle soph, bas Leyte super senior.
I would argue that every single one of our starters for this year is better than starters in brownell's year 2. The bench is significantly better as well.
Yet posters choose to ignore facts and spew bs.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 2:00 PM
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What fact are we ignoring. This is literally an opinion post. And is totally irrelevant to his 2/12 performance making the NCAA tournament when not saddled with the team Purnell left him with which you obviously think was terrible. You realize we are 13 years removed from Purnell and yet you are still making an argument that held no water then and is completely irrelevant now. Oh, Fire Brad!
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 2:05 PM
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I knew you wouldn't answer the question. In your opinion, which roster is better?
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 3:43 PM
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It’s irrelevant so I won’t indulge.
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 8:13 PM
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Lmao.
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110%er [7972]
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 9:40 PM
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Ole Vis, clinging to a failed narrative even after everyone else with half a brain has moved past it. I salute your winning to embarrass yourself for the cause!
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 2:01 PM
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I know you will thumb me down, but I think the year 2 group is better in a time when the ACC was still a top 2 conference.
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 2:09 PM
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Explain.....
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 2:02 PM
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So you're saying he can't win #### with or without talent??
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 3:32 PM
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Are you saying brownell cannot win basketball games? Another delusional poster.
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110%er [5964]
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: He didn't win the last one
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May 8, 2023, 5:04 PM
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Yes I know. Does not winning his last game mean he can't win games?
Are you a child?
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Re: He didn't win the last one
May 8, 2023, 7:05 PM
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JK please stop. You are not pleading your case well.
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: He didn't win the last one
May 8, 2023, 8:14 PM
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Imagine thinking you are the normal and sane one. You are accusing me of being a JK burner account. Wow.
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All-TigerNet [13693]
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Re: He didn't win the last one
May 8, 2023, 8:24 PM
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I’m defense, all those guys mountaineer mentions weren’t yet Super Seniors yet.
They’re super now like all those weird orphan kids in Shazam.
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All-TigerNet [13693]
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Re: He didn't win the last one
May 8, 2023, 8:24 PM
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In defense
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Objective: 3 NCAAT appearances in 13 years
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May 8, 2023, 2:02 PM
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Subjective: what you said
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2 in the last 12.***
May 8, 2023, 6:47 PM
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I'm also sick of hearing CBB doesn't develop players...
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May 8, 2023, 2:03 PM
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they conveniently overlook the fact that PJ Hall declared for the NBA draft this season, and he's not even a senior. That's good coaching. I wish him the best.
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You’re in good company.
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May 8, 2023, 4:42 PM
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 2:08 PM
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You seriously using transfers as a development argument?
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Orange Blooded [4086]
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 2:08 PM
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Cool, Bro!
Now tell us about losing to quad 4 teams and not making the NCAAs.
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 2:12 PM
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Yes that sucked.
I can't tell if posters like you are serious, or mentally challenged.
You do realize 2 things can be true at once right? Losing to morehead state to end the year really sucked. Alternatively brownell has improved the talent on our roster.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 2:42 PM
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Winning is the point at the end of the day. Coaches are judged by wins and loses. This isn’t little league where as long as everyone is having fun then we are all winners. No one cares about the talent on paper because we are still losing to teams we have no business and we aren’t making the NCAA tournament.
Also it wouldn’t be like this if this was BB 5th year, but it’s been 13 years. By now we know who the man is. He’s a mediocre coach who will never get us to be more than mediocre with an occasional good season.
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Wins matter, until we mention 23 wins last year
May 8, 2023, 8:16 PM
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and you and others start trying to move the goalposts. All of a sudden, it isn’t about wins because the ACC is awful, our non-conference schedule was awful, and we lost in the first round of the NIT.
Just admit it, some of you will do everything you can to criticize Brownell and undermine the program. You can’t acknowledge a good year last year, an improved team, or a successful offseason. That’s really sad.
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Re: Wins matter, until we mention 23 wins last year
May 8, 2023, 8:18 PM
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Dude it’s baseball season can we just enjoy that instead of all this basketball nonsense?
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 8:20 PM
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You're right. No coach at Clemson has had as many acc wins in a single season. Why don't you judge him on those wins and losses? Nope, you are picking and choosing which games to judge.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 8:26 PM
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He also has the most loses as head coach too.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 6:51 PM
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Improvement without consistently making the Big Dance isn't really much improvement at all, particularly when you've had 13 years to try and figure it out.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 2:45 PM
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Fire Brad. The roster differences are insignificant in the face of the fact he has had 13 years to do something significant.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!***
May 8, 2023, 3:09 PM
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 3:10 PM
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Lol you are right. Athletic directors shouldn't look at the current state and trajectory.
They should only look at the past with 0 context.
I'm glad that our AD's aren't as
Crazy as a lot of our posters. We wouldn't have Dabo!
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CU Medallion [64575]
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So basically...
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May 8, 2023, 3:26 PM
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he has a better team but still loses games to Quad 3 and 4 opponents, including a blow-out loss in the NIT to a team that was a 25-point underdog, and fails to make the NCAAT?
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110%er [5964]
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Makes argument about player development...
May 8, 2023, 3:29 PM
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Uses transfers as evidence.
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: Makes argument about player development...
May 8, 2023, 5:06 PM
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Really, you take one sentence out of my entire post and assume that's what the entire thread is about? Maybe learn to read?
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Oculus Spirit [80224]
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2 of the 5 players you listed are transfers so he didn't
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May 8, 2023, 3:31 PM
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develop them.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 3:33 PM
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Now he has to prove he can do it, because all we have to go on at Clemson is the last 13 years & Wilmington before that.
I hope that he can coach these guys to the NCAA and win some games.
The proof is in the pudding!
I will be cheering Brad and this team on 100%!
I wouldn’t have made the same decision the board & Neff made but they get paid more than I so I’ll trust their “judge” Ment- K.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 3:35 PM
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10+ posts in and only one poster answered the question.
The haters won't answer it because they don't want to admit brownell has improved our roster.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 3:48 PM
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I’ll admit no such thing but won’t indulge because you complained about a lack of facts then made a purely opinionated post. It’s cognitive dissonance at its finest. You’re fundamentally unserious. 2/12. 3/13. Zero players in the NBA. These are facts. Another fact is that, as measured by SRS or RPI (net hasn’t been around long enough), we are not on an upward trajectory. His entire tenure is virtually a flat line with two outlier data points.
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You mentioned annoying in your op. I’m sure
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May 8, 2023, 4:10 PM
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That majority of tiger net thinks your posts are annoying. You have your head so far up Brads butt I’m not sure you know where he ends and you begin. Once again 3 NCAAT appearances in 13 years is not good
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Legend [16240]
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Your second roster hasn't won a single game together,
May 8, 2023, 3:45 PM
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with its potential being pure conjecture, so I'm going with the first group until I see different.
How did Brownell improve upon the 3-straight NCAA appearances he inherited? He's made 3 in 13 years since.
Show us your big brains here, boss.
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Legend [16240]
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Where you at, home slice?
May 8, 2023, 7:03 PM
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Clemson mountaineers
I fed you an honest answer to your query. Where's the goods?
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Orange Blooded [2669]
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Re: Your second roster hasn't won a single game together,
May 8, 2023, 8:18 PM
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You know, you are right. Brownell should have made the tourney in year 2 with Brian narcisse as a starter and catelin baciu coming off the bench. Do you really think Purnell would have won with that roster?
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Re: Your second roster hasn't won a single game together,
May 8, 2023, 8:32 PM
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How far did we make it the NIT that year?
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 4:26 PM
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Last year's team was great, until they weren't. First place in the ACC, all alone...until the final third of the schedule. You made the mistake of thinking they reached the promised land much too early in the season. Now you're projecting a great team before a game is played. Brad's history says otherwise.
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Legend [15800]
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you're absolutely right...NO improvement under Brownell...
May 8, 2023, 4:26 PM
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13 years is about 4 years too many. Who cares about an "improved roster" if you can't win the games you are supposed to win? And it's not the roster btw...it's the coaching.
Moorehead St. says hello.
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Re: you're absolutely right...NO improvement under Brownell...
May 8, 2023, 5:07 PM
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So you are saying he can't win the games we are supposed to win.
Are you arguing that we should never get upset? Anytime we lose a game we are favored in, it's brownell's fault?
Lmao.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 4:41 PM
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Sad posters are the ones that are always negative reflecting their lives. I will pray for you and the others.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
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May 8, 2023, 5:44 PM
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Whatever coot!!!!!!!!!
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 5:24 PM
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I'll play
I think an argument can be made for Young, but it's close.
Tanner Smith was a hard nosed guy. I expect Girard to be better from what I've heard, but I'd like to see him in our system and see how he plays D.
Again, I liked ol' goggles over Clark, but I hope Godfrey proves to be better than both.
Milton over Ian even though he never met our expectations. I do like Ian's hustle and knack around the basket. I hope that's who he is and not something that gets shutdown with more film
I love PJ, but Booker was good as well. Two different styles. I think PJ definitely translates better in the current style of play with the importance of the 3 point shot.
All that being said, I can pick many other years that clearly show a digression from previous years, but it's counterproductive.
I want Clemson basketball to be successful. It is not impossible to be better, but it will be difficult if we don't make some changes. Whether that's a new coach is above my pay grade.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 9:28 PM
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Thank you for answering.
- I like chase hunter more than Andre young. Young was undersized, but he could shoot the 3
- Joe Girard is an upgrade over Tanner smith. Tanner was an inconsistent shooter.
- Jack Clark is a HUGE upgrade over narcisse. It's not even close
- Milton Jennings vs Schef is a tough one. I do think Schef has a higher ceiling and better basketball iq. I'll call this one a wash.
- pj hall is an upgrade over booker.
The bench isn't even close. We have a WAY better bench on this year's team that year 2
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And STILL can't make the NCAAs...***
May 8, 2023, 6:46 PM
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 7:33 PM
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That top team (even though your class years are wrong unless you’re doing a mix-and-match) returned 3 starters from an NCAA tournament team, but also lost 6 games before ACC player. That’s pretty hard to play yourself out of tournament contention that quickly.
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Re: No improvement under brownell!!!
May 8, 2023, 9:52 PM
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I would say the second roster, our current roster, is much better. Which proves Brownell is a terrible coach.
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