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NIL should scare NFL
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Jan 19, 2023, 8:59 AM

we're going to have every University that has a football team paying athletes for their services. Many states, including Alabama Oregon Kentucky South Carolina and Arkansas don't have pro teams. We have, in turn, fell in love with our Universitys of choice football programs.

Who out there really feels more of an allegiance to the Carolina Panthers than Clemson or South Carolina in this state? Even the scrubs next door i'm sure like their pups and bugs more than Falcons.


Get ready, NFL, keep screwing with your fanbase. We've finally got a way to get ya

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:04 AM

What's crazy will be the number of athletes that forego their NFL futures to stay in college for the NIL money. Right now, a lot of these kids can make more money in college than 1st round draft picks.

The NFL will probably have to do something about that. But if they increase the salaries for rookies, they will have to increase them for everyone else as well.

That's a whole lot of money for these franchises to be spending on contracts now.

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:24 AM

Wrong. The top NIL deal this year was Bryce Young, who got $3.2 million. George Karlaftis, drafted at the bottom of last year's first round, made the same (most of that guaranteed), and that's before any sponsorship deals or NIL money, which they can make by being an NFL player. NFL players make far more money than college athletes.

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:29 AM

Late-round NFL picks make around $750k. That’s where college NIL can compete. But, you aren’t likely going to pay a college kid that much if he’s only a 6th rounder. The kids getting the large deals are projected first-day picks.

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Re: NIL should scare NFL

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:34 AM



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Re: NIL should scare NFL


Jan 19, 2023, 9:31 AM [ in reply to Re: NIL should scare NFL ]

Spencer Rattler is making 1.5 million. He is likely a 3rd round pick

That is what the OP is referencing. You are looking at it all wrong. The 32 round 1 selections....sure I get what you are saying.

For everyone else rounds 2-finish they are now saying no to the NFL because they are making more money in college.

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Tell 'em coot. No one knows losing better than you.


Jan 19, 2023, 9:50 AM

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But he's probably the biggest "name" in that market.***


Jan 19, 2023, 2:03 PM [ in reply to Re: NIL should scare NFL ]



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Jan 19, 2023, 10:04 AM [ in reply to Re: NIL should scare NFL ]

Jaden Rashada had a $13 million NIL deal at Florida.

The money is coming. It will surpass NFL rookies.

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:13 AM

That deal fell through. And it was a 4-year deal, not a 1-year deal.

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:51 AM

That's worth the exact same amount as George Karlaftis, even though it fell through.

Would you agree that these NIL deals are going to get more lucrative in the future? Or do you think we'll reverse course and pay less?

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Jan 19, 2023, 11:15 AM

I don’t think they will get more lucrative. At least for a while. I think what happened at Texas A&M last year and the crazy volume of transfers going on is really gonna give people pause to hand out these big dollar deals to 17 and 18-year-old kids. They are not loyal, they can bounce from school to school anytime they want, and so far the spending does not seem to be directly connected to winning on the field.

I do think we will continue to see NIL used more to retain a proven asset, like Rattler and Mafah, instead up to a recruit who hasn’t achieved anything yet. Those high dollar deals to recruits will happen, but they will be rare.

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Jan 19, 2023, 2:06 PM [ in reply to Re: NIL should scare NFL ]

First, again, you're comparing apples to oranges. Your comparing Karlaftis's base salary, without any endorsement deals, to this player's endorsement deals (who has no salary). Karlaftis has sponsors too, though we don't know what they are.

I think we'll reverse course for the most part. As the big spenders see their "investments" fail to pay off, they'll become more skeptical about who to offer money too and how much. I think the market will correct itself. I still could see superstars making $2-3 million, which is nothing compared to first-rounder compensation all in, but I don't see recruits getting the same, unless they're like QB 5 stars to premier programs with a ton of hype (ie: Arch or Trevor or Fields).

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year 2 of NIL


Jan 19, 2023, 1:28 PM [ in reply to Re: NIL should scare NFL ]

year 50 of NFL


NFL is salary and rookie caps


NIL is money and hoes and whatever else goes


but.. i disagree with the OP. THe NFL owners are in full control over their league. They don't have anything to fear as long as they can keep using the NCAA as their development league.

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The goal for these kids is not the 1st contract, it's the

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Jan 19, 2023, 12:35 PM [ in reply to Re: NIL should scare NFL ]

2nd and 3rd contract, NIL won't change that

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Not more than first rounders....


Jan 20, 2023, 3:51 PM [ in reply to Re: NIL should scare NFL ]

.... but what about the kids who are 3-7 round picks?

Would you rather be a 3rd round pick and not be sure you will make the team, and if so probably spend most of yur time playing special teams, or get 200K to play in college another year and try to improve your draft status?

What would it take to convince a 5th round pick to stay and play another year?

(FSU had several players in the 2-7 round status who decided to take the NIL money rather than go to NFL. Jared Verse, Jordan Travis, Johnny Wilson, Fabian Lovett, Mycah Pittman, and a couple of others. They didn't get 5 million bucks, but they got enough to stay at FSU.)

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Re: NIL should scare NFL

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:20 AM

You came to the exact wrong conclusion. This logically doesn't add up at all, and you don't explain how this "gets" the NFL.

NIL is just not going to equal NFL money for athletes. And the NCAA is well within its rights to limit eligibility to four years maximum. Maybe for borderline NFL players, those would be drafted in the fourth or fifth round, they might delay coming to the NFL for a year. First and second rounders are still going to leave. It's going to make no difference to the NFL.

Also, right now, the NFL is like 4 times more popular than college football, when there was true amateurism. How would the fact that athletes get paid in college cause people to not watch the NFL? I think you're going to get far MORE people watching the NFL as compared to college.

I felt allegiance to Clemson football because I was a Clemson student/alumni and I wanted to support my fellow students, who chose Clemson to be part of the culture of the school. Now, that's no longer the case. They don't choose Clemson for the same reason. They're now professional athletes/employees, and they go wherever the money takes them. Combine that with the fact that they're not students in any real sense of the word (they never were (I had a Clemson player in one of my classes and he could barely read), but it's even worse now with non-existent admission standards and majors designed for athletes to skate through).

I think it's far more likely, that as NIL takes hold, I will view them as a professional team that just happens to wear orange, and also happens to be less talented than an NFL team. Every college fan I've seen feels the same.

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:23 AM



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Jan 19, 2023, 9:35 AM

You're right. There are a handful of NIL packages more than base NFL salaries for those players. But you're missing a couple things.

1. NIL drops off dramatically. There are VERY few $1 million dollar NIL packages out there. Those deals go to the best of the best. You can't equate Bryce Young with a third round pick, because he'd be drafted top 5. The NIL people with the large deals are the proven winners who will be more comparable with first rounders.

2. NIL is a thing in the NFL too. You can think of football compensation as two factors: salary + endorsements. At the moment, college players have 0 salary + NIL as their endorsements. So using Bryce Young. He got $0 in salary, and about $3.2 million in NIL money. Total compensation of $3.2 million. Compare that to Dak Prescott, a very good QB, but not at the very top in compensation. His salary was $27.4 million. His NIL was $12 million. So he made $40 million this last year.

College players receive no salary and make less NIL than NFL starters. That's why it's only going to impact those college players who aren't good enough to start day 1 (or at all). And at the end of the day, we're talking about maybe their delaying entering the NFL by a year. It doesn't get the NFL because they can't actively choose to forego the NFL to be college players their whole life. That's not going to impact the NFL's bottom line.

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:48 AM

Yes but Dak is on his second contract. If you want a better comparison, you need to use rookie contract salaries.

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:03 AM

It's hard to track endorsements for rookies, but okay. Tua. He signed a 4 year 30 million dollar contract. I'm seeing about $7.5 million in endorsements from Bose, Adidas, Wingstop, and Muscle Milk. So $37.5 million.

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:13 AM

Well now you are comparing 4 years of context to one year of NIL. Tua makes an average of $7.5M per year in salary. I’m not sure the length of those endorsement deals you mentioned.

I’m not disagreeing with your points, but compare apples to apples to support them.

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Jan 19, 2023, 2:00 PM

Sorry, you're right. I was sloppy because I was on my way to work. The salary was 4 years, the NIL was 1 year.

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:31 AM [ in reply to Re: NIL should scare NFL ]

Won't apply to everyone but these fourth and fifth year QBs, who will get drafted at the end of the draft if at all, could definitely make more money staying in college. Some of these guys are supposedly making half a million or more to go to a different school. Guys like Hartman or Leary are going to making far more than if they didn't get drafted and had to go into the real world for work.

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:39 AM

I think that's fair. Maybe not Hartman. I could see Hartman being a possible early NFL pick like Daniel Jones was. But Leary is a good example for us. I absolutely could see him getting more NIL money in college than he'd get being the third string QB for some random NFL team. But he's not a factor that's going to change viewership. How many people do you think would say, "Oh my God, I have to watch NC State this weekend, Devin Leary is playing?" No one. The NFL isn't going to miss Devin Leary, because he wouldn't see the field in the first place.

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The NFL average 17.1M viewers in the regular season in 2021

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Jan 19, 2023, 9:22 AM

And accounted for 48 of the top 50 televised shows during that period. The highest regular season game had 40.8M viewers while the CFP title game across all platforms was 12.1M. They gone be aight. Also I think guys going back to school who might have been first rounders could benefit them as well. A lot of first rounders are potential guys who need a few years of seasoning before they’re really producers. Now a few of those guys will get another year of experience in CFB and a team won’t have to pay that guy millions just to be a practice player.

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Re: NIL should scare NFL


Jan 19, 2023, 9:30 AM

College football is nothing compared to the NFL. Try watching the Playoff games this weekend.

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heres the thing


Jan 19, 2023, 10:20 AM

I haven't watched the playoff games other than Jags Chargers bc of TL and ET. When they lose, i'm done. The only reason I watch ANY team in the NFL is bc of a former Clemson player on the roster to see THEM play.

Even as a child, I was crazy about football, but had no interest in role modeling these guys or following them at all. I'm not a paparazzi. If I don't know anything about the players why do I care if they're good or bad at it. Just doesn't interest me. Now, they annoy me.

NFL, mark my words, your doom is here

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No chance


Jan 19, 2023, 10:48 AM

Zero zip zilch nada nyet No Si. Millions of people love football and the NFL is football in it’s highest form. Those who are easily triggered can opt out if they wish, but that still leaves tens of millions of people who are gonna watch a big game; even if their teams or favorite players aren’t playing. The NFL is 3 to 4 times more popular than CFB.

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Jan 19, 2023, 11:13 AM [ in reply to heres the thing ]

Lol. The NFL is thriving. It’s not going anywhere.

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Jan 19, 2023, 2:09 PM

agreed

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Re: NIL should scare NFL


Jan 19, 2023, 9:45 AM

The nil dollars will probably wane somewhat as big supporters fail to get their moneys worth. Probably already taking a hit at places like Texas a&m. Some of the people who have reached deep to buy players can’t, or won’t maintain that on a continual basis.
You already have to be somewhat successful to travel with the team (especially to playoffs), and those who have blundered their wealth on nil will unable to fill the stands for regular playoff teams.
Hopefully eventually the bulk of the money will dwindle down or be regulated to money made from sale of products, and interviews.
Nil as it is now stinks.

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:08 AM

All they would have to do is adjust the CBA by 1% and they could easily out pay the NIL deals.

But isn't kids staying in school longer a good thing? Kinda the point of being a student athlete? Even if they have a sham of a degree and invest much into their education they still will have a degree to fall back on.

I am missing your point of concern...

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Jan 19, 2023, 10:13 AM

What’s going to get them us these kids aren’t going to like having to stay on a team that they don’t like when they were allowed to transfer every week in college. Going to see a lot of sitting out and bad PR campaigns against teams.

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Not really


Jan 19, 2023, 10:24 AM

First, everyone isn't getting a million dollar deal it's just the top recruits. Secondly, college is and will always be temporary. They can't stay more than five years, but they can play in the NFL as long as any team will have them.

If you look at the past couple years, most of the juniors who get a good draft grade still leave.

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Jan 19, 2023, 2:08 PM

that's because a lot of them will NOT be drafted but are good college players

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Jan 20, 2023, 2:48 PM

Actually I would take Clemson or Alabama over Carolina Panthers. NCAA and NIL will eventually have to set up salary caps for players or college football over in 10 years. If player making millions on NIL deals NCAA need make them pay for the tuition. It's not right for schools to pay tuition if they are taking in big money NIL wise. The other athletic programs will suffer at the school and hopefully TITLE IX will have Supreme Court case

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