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All-In [31891]
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Nice to see some degree of justice for Alex Jones...
Oct 13, 2022, 6:26 AM
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Ordered to pay $1BB to Sandy Hook families.
The damage his lies have done to this country is incalculable. He's a major player in the Post-Truth Society.
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No way, man.
Oct 13, 2022, 6:51 AM
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He should be allowed to say whatever he wants, regardless of the damage it does to people. This is America!
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Re: No way, man.
Oct 13, 2022, 7:58 AM
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If we aren't allowed to make up lies about innocent people and destroy their lives while profiting off of it, are we really a free nation?!
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As I learned in the Lounge yesterday,
Oct 13, 2022, 8:27 AM
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if you really, really believe something, then it's not a lie, and you should be allowed harm whoever you like by virtue of being 100% certain that you're right.
And we'll ignore the fact that Alex Jones doesn't actually believe his own tripe and is merely separating simpletons from their cash, to the tune of hundreds of millions of dollars.
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Never forget...
Oct 13, 2022, 9:55 AM
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That Jones's lawyer argue, in his 2017 divorce trial, that Jones is just playing a character on his show and doesn't actually believe what he says.
Hey, I think criticism of Jones triggered SOLOS® yesterday. He's been getting angry on here lately. You know, since Jones is one of the biggest pushers of the 9/11 conspiracy.
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17 Arabs w/boxcutters is the only 9/11 conspiracy. Total BS.***
Oct 13, 2022, 11:27 AM
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What other Alex Jones conspiracies do you believe?***
Oct 13, 2022, 11:31 AM
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I have never been to the Infowars website... ever. Heard of
Oct 13, 2022, 11:36 AM
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it, obviously... but again, carry on with your attempted associative BS.
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Well...
Oct 13, 2022, 11:38 AM
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Alex Jones pushes 9/11 conspiracies just like you do, so I guess y'all at least have that in common.
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9/11 is not a conspiracy... It was Coordinated neoCon Coup.***
Oct 13, 2022, 11:57 AM
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Re: 9/11 is not a conspiracy... It was Coordinated neoCon Coup.***
Oct 13, 2022, 12:38 PM
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Funny how our federal government suddenly becomes this coordinated, massively organized machine with absolutely no leaks or partisan investigations as they orchestrate the greatest terrorist attack in American history while blaming it on nationals from one of our oil buddies.
But, you know, everything else is incompetent, wasteful, partisan, and full of leaks to the media.
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First off, it wasn't one of "our oil buddies". Do research.
Oct 13, 2022, 12:50 PM
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Physics alone disproves the currently conceived narrative. COULDN'T HAPPEN...
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Oh, the kind of research...
Oct 13, 2022, 12:53 PM
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That only supports your side since you've been so dismissive of the countless experts who have analyzed it and said it could and did happen?
But we're not supposed to listen to those guys.
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The ONLY thing NIST ever supposedly explained was the
Oct 13, 2022, 12:59 PM
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"initiation of the collapse"... They NEVER explained any of the subsequent physics necessary for the remainder of the collapses.
Likewise, they have never explained WTC7.
But go ahead, tell what Popular Mechanics had to say... What a frickin' joke.
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Welp, FEMA said it was due to fire but...
Oct 13, 2022, 1:10 PM
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I guess they're in on it too.
If it's an investigation that disagrees with my view, they're in on it!
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Jet fuel or office fires are NOT hot enough to melt steel.
Oct 13, 2022, 4:39 PM
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Even so, there were pools of molten steel below ground that were STILL molten TWO MONTHS after the implosions...
FEMA was basically insignificant till after 9/11 when it was subsequently absorbed under DHS and Chertoff...
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Didn't need to melt it. Just warp the structural integrity
Oct 13, 2022, 5:08 PM
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Even you know this.
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No. That's the non-physics based BS storyline... They didn't
Oct 13, 2022, 5:15 PM
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bother with the rest because they couldn't...
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What bent the 47 massive interior columns that came down
Oct 13, 2022, 5:32 PM
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mostly in 30' lengths for easy transport...
Angry Blacksmith or numerous Drs. of Physics with extensive research...?
Little crap like this makes me really question what I had thought was intelligence (yours).
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Just bothered to watch that crap... How totally devoid of
Oct 13, 2022, 5:40 PM
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comparison can anyone get with that BS...?
I have a rebar bender in my tool trailer that doesn't even require any heat at all for 1/2"...
That dumbaxx's little presentation isn't pertinent to chit.
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Re: Nice to see some degree of justice for Alex Jones...
Oct 13, 2022, 7:04 AM
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Does he really have that big of a following?
It's always been odd to me that people would believe a conspiracy theory where 100s or 1000s of people would have to be lying in order for the conspiracy to be true.
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His website attracts millions every year
Oct 13, 2022, 7:57 AM
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He's got enough of an audience that it's a problem. We've gotta have at least one follower here. Probably SOLOs.
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NO... but carry on with your petty ad hominem.***
Oct 13, 2022, 11:29 AM
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Aren't we the little hypocrite today?***
Oct 13, 2022, 11:31 AM
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There's no hypocrisy in recognizing an angry little elf...***
Oct 13, 2022, 11:39 AM
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Don't drag Jeff Sessions into this.***
Oct 13, 2022, 12:01 PM
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This is more about "what the Cat dragged in"...***
Oct 13, 2022, 12:42 PM
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Sure...
Oct 13, 2022, 12:34 PM
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You pound your little fists and scream into the void any time 9/11 is brought up, and everyone thinks it's nutty. Except RememberTheDanny, but there ya go. But however you want to read it.
You actually used to post some pretty good stuff until all that started up.
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"Everyone" will learn one day but you brought it up, not me.
Oct 13, 2022, 12:45 PM
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All three WTCs were imploded... Most of the world knows it.
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"Most of the world knows it."
Oct 13, 2022, 12:52 PM
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Wanna know what's callous?
Oct 13, 2022, 2:54 PM
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Spouting absurd conspiracy theories to people who lost friends and family that day or survived it. Digging up old wounds to clamor on about some half-assed idea that our government somehow concocted the attack to justify a war.
I know one former NY firefighter who dug body parts out of the wreckage who would lay you out flat if you said it to him.
Those people don't want to hear any of that conspiracy ####.
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Precisely why we need to find out exactly who did it...
Oct 13, 2022, 4:53 PM
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I want justice for all those people, obviously more than you... Looking the other way is nothing but convenient cognitive dissonance.
Do some research about all the firefighters that heard the explosions, saw the molten steel "like a foundry", and take the time to read the almost 500 post-9/11 firefighter debrief interviews... I DID!
Don't jump in here like some protector of morality... I had a very good friend who worked that cleanup and died of cancer 10 years later.
It's easy to spout the 'company line' but it takes some effort and research to expose the BS...
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Hey man. Jones or no jones. The Vegas mass shooting was
Oct 13, 2022, 10:19 AM
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weird. Everything about it was weird. I don't think it was necessarily a false flag or something, but it was weird.
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Re: Nice to see some degree of justice for Alex Jones...
Oct 13, 2022, 7:46 AM
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What damage has he done? So, the penalty for calling Sandy Hook a hoax is exponentially greater than say....murdering your wife and friend Ron Goldman? That seems weird.
As mentioned above, what is his impact on America? I listen to talk radio often and have never heard of this guy until this trial. How did the parents hear what he was saying without seeking it out for themselves? If he "incited" others to harass them, when is their trial? Where are the guilty parties that broke laws to ruin these lives?
Is he a POS, yes; are 98% of people with a microphone a POS, also yes.
There is a guy on Coast to Coast that gives a weekly UFO report. Maybe I can get $1T.
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He ruined the lives and reputations of the victims' families
Oct 13, 2022, 7:54 AM
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That's the literal damage the jury assessed when making the ruling, and hence the dollar figure.
EDIT: Your OJ example is intentionally absurd. OJ went to a criminal trial and found not guilty. Jones had a civil case and was found guilty.
Message was edited by: Catahoula®
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Re: He ruined the lives and reputations of the victims' families
Oct 13, 2022, 10:03 AM
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ummmm O.J. had a civil lawsuit as well.
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Re: He ruined the lives and reputations of the victims' families
Oct 13, 2022, 10:54 AM
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Yeah, and you know different juries in different suits will award different amounts of money and they don't all compare notes, right?
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Re: Nice to see some degree of justice for Alex Jones...
Oct 13, 2022, 7:59 AM
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I dunno. Is this guy on Coast to Coast claiming that you personally are one of the aliens as well, and that you like to anally probe young boys in Secret Alien Experiments, causing the people in the town in which you live to screech that you're a child molester, threaten to kill you and your kids because they've been told a pack of lies about you? Are you now afraid to show your face in public? Are the graves of your family being defaced and urinated upon because everyone thinks you're actually an alien and there's nobody in that grave?
How are you feeling about all this now? Feeling like there's a massive injustice that's been done to you? Feeling the urge to go grab your shootin' iron and go sort out once and for all that lying Coast to Coast MF'er who's literally ruining your life?
That's actually not even as serious as what Jones did, since the people he was targeting had literally had their children murdered the day before he starting defaming them. How not one of them blew the guy away is beyond me. I'll admit I'd have gone after him...and his end would not have been quick. I don't have many stops past a certain point.
That's what "defamation" means...and why the law exists, so there's an alternate source of justice beyond sorting it out yourself. It isn't just about lies. It isn't just the loss of reputation. It's a loss of reputation that causes you real, lasting, substantial harm and suffering, real consequences in the real world.
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Re: Nice to see some degree of justice for Alex Jones...
Oct 13, 2022, 10:16 AM
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Were the people that "urinated on graves" charged?
Were the people that "threatened to kill them and their kids" charged?
So people lost their reputation in the eyes of a couple of hundred wackos?
Where are all the people that broke the law (not including AJ) in the harassments of these folks? It's $1Billion dollars of harassment, there had to be thousands involved.
Anyway, as far as UFO's go. The weekly UFO report caused me to denounce my religion and give up eternity in heaven. That has to be worth at least an Amazon gift card.
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Re: You never heard of ####### Alex Jones before the trial?
Oct 13, 2022, 8:52 AM
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There's probably a lot more people than you might think that have never heard of him. I've heard of him. I know he had some sort of Sandy Hook conspiracy, but beyond that, I don't know anything about him.
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I have heard of him, and have heard he is a wacko conspiracy
Oct 13, 2022, 8:56 AM
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guy, and have read some headlines about him, and maybe enough of an article hear or there to get a sense of what he's about. But I have never listened to him or paid any attention to what he says.
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But that's much different from others on here that are like,
Oct 13, 2022, 8:59 AM
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"I haven't heard of him."
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Yep. Everyone here has heard of him before this trial.***
Oct 13, 2022, 9:30 AM
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Re: Yep. Everyone here has heard of him before this trial.***
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I will guarantee you there are people I know that have never heard of him. Just asked a young man in my office if he had ever heard of Alex Jones. He looked at me and shook his head and said no. Appears you don't know everyone.
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Re: I thought the real point there was that people here who
Oct 13, 2022, 10:45 AM
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Well, I think some are pretending they haven't heard of him (while then offering an awkward, silly defense of him) because they think it's a bad look.
BUT... I wager the overwhelming majority of conservatives don't follow or listen to him.
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So what does that say about them?
Oct 13, 2022, 9:10 AM
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To me, it says they would rather turn a blind eye than admit that something is wrong within their political party. Keep in mind that Donald Trump and many politicians who piggy packed off Trump sometimes quote Jones verbatim. Why not just denounce all the conspiracy theory bs and hold those people accountable? Oh right, they need the far right votes.
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Re: So what does that say about them?
Oct 13, 2022, 9:13 AM
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It probably says they have a life outside the internet.
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That's mutually exclusive with visiting P&R.***
Oct 13, 2022, 9:17 AM
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Re: That's mutually exclusive with visiting P&R.***
Oct 13, 2022, 9:26 AM
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No it's not. One can occasionally visit P&R and have a life outside the internet.
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Do they?
Oct 13, 2022, 9:17 AM
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I just find it hard to believe that some of the most prolific posters on here that seem to have a handle on every policy/political issue under the sun, somehow never got around to hearing Jones' name and have at least a semblance of an idea about his schtick?
Granted, I am biased because by nature of work I tend to have to know what's going on politically...but Jones is by no means a niche player, especially if you've heard of Charlie Kirk, Candace Owen, Cernovich, etc.
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Re: Do they?
Oct 13, 2022, 9:25 AM
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Not necessarily talking about the people posting here. Given the fact that I follow politics and know very little about this man and have never heard a talk show or read any of his words (that I know of), leads me to believe that there are most likely a lot of people who have never heard of him.
I just didn't realize he was some sort of major political figure.
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I'm sure there are.
Oct 13, 2022, 9:32 AM
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But, if people are posting link/content from the plethora of other talking heads on the right, but claim they've never heard of Jones, I don't buy it.
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Re: I'm sure there are.
Oct 13, 2022, 9:55 AM
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I guess he doesn't come up with Hoover Institute YouTube searches  .
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I'm hesitant to lump Jones in with conservatives
Oct 13, 2022, 9:33 AM
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He's not really conservative... he's a con man conspiracy nut who knows that the Trumpist-type people are very gullible. I wouldn't expect Mitch McConnell or a Bush or any traditional GOP voter to be a Jones fan. You're not going to see Flow or Obed jamming out to InfoWars, but you'll see the likes of NC_Tiger or Chem or Miura or T3 gobbling that up.
I mean, the man's basically teased the idea that lizard aliens have infiltrated our government...
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He's a populist huckster, which means he doesn't fit into
Oct 13, 2022, 9:39 AM
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any traditional quad, but has mass appeal to people -- left or right -- who live in constant fear of the "elite cabals." Particularly if those cabals are Jewish.
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Re: So what does that say about them?
Oct 13, 2022, 5:27 PM
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I have no issue with holding people accountable for telling lies. There is a ### FKN TN of people that need to pay for Russian Collusion lies..I know our courts will bring justice to the Trump family, I'm sure of it.
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Re: So what does that say about them?
Oct 13, 2022, 10:14 AM
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If that is so, why are judges throwing his defamation cases out of court? He isn't even getting to the phase where he can bring them to trial, much less actually winning them.
Could it be you have no idea what you're talking about, and even the term "Russian Collusion Hoax" is all based on a pile of lies that in an actual courtroom - where truth and evidence matter above all else - is meaningless?
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/09/09/trump-hillary-clinton-lawsuit-2016-election/
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Re: So what does that say about them?
Oct 13, 2022, 10:19 AM
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So the Russian lies were the truth?
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I don't know how else to get this through your head
Oct 13, 2022, 10:50 AM
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If a person is a celebrity AND/OR has already had their reputation ruined, that person can't sue for defamation like an ordinary citizen (for a celebrity, you'd have to prove they have a good reputation AND there was actual malice, like the Johnny Depp case).
Trump ruined his reputation long before he ran for office. Thus, he can't sue for any lies told about him for the rest of his life.
This isn't hard. Research libel/slander law.
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I'm no law talking guy
Oct 13, 2022, 7:02 PM
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but it's worth pointing out that Jones really shot himself in the foot by not cooperating. Normally, it's pretty tough to prove that someone knowingly lied, but with him not turning over important info there's an assumption that there was damning evidence in there.
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If you're asking "What damage has he done?" to the reality
Oct 13, 2022, 8:58 AM
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that because of him, and him alone, many, many families have not been allowed to move past the death of their young child and have it, every day, thrown back in their faces with death/rape threats, then you need to hit up your pastor.
If I lie about a business, and people stop going to that business because of the lie, the damages aren't calculated by just the business they lost from me alone. They are calculated by the impact that lie had as it spread. Yeah. Jones didn't stalk these people personally, but his [repeated] lie caused others to do so. Should those other people be prosecuted? Absolutely, but a lack of action against the other people does not absolve Jones of his responsibility.
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Re: If you're asking "What damage has he done?" to the reality
Oct 13, 2022, 10:09 AM
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who made the death threats? Have they been in court?
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I think some have. Or at least one guy that I've seen come
Oct 13, 2022, 10:20 AM
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up before. But that's a separate issue. Whether they've been prosecuted or not is irrelevant to Jones.
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"But muh free speech!"
Oct 13, 2022, 7:53 AM
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-Signed,
All the people who secretly listen to him and believe his crap
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It doesn't bother me one bit to see an idiot like Alex Jones
Oct 13, 2022, 8:05 AM
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get cornholed, but what I (and all of us should) fear much, much more, is a government truth squad that censors our speech based on what they determine to be true and false. If that turns out to be the ultimate response to the "post truth society", then we are all truly cornholed.
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Do you feel that applied in this case?***
Oct 13, 2022, 8:16 AM
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No, not necessarily. I have not followed the case closely at
Oct 13, 2022, 8:49 AM
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all, so I really don't have a valid opinion one way or the other, but I believe this: Alex Jones is a wacko nutjob POS, and there is also an increasing expectation for somebody to silence and punish people who we percieve as being mean or just saying things we disagree with by claiming their doing so causes harm.
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Re: No, not necessarily. I have not followed the case closely at
Oct 13, 2022, 8:54 AM
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And when we get to one of those cases we should be extremely leery of just rubberstamping a negative judgment on through. Agree.
This one was straight defamation, and one of the most repugnant and pathological liars in American media history trying to hide behind "free speech". Jones literally made hundreds of millions of dollars defaming and tormenting the parents of murdered children.
We let people like that run around saying whatever they want, about whoever they want, without consequence, there's no hope for us as a country or a culture.
Again, justice occurs one case at a time or it's useless.
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Not defending AJ in any way, nor am I questioning the
Oct 13, 2022, 9:23 AM
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legitimacy of the trial. It just makes me wonder about the legitimate limits of free speech, however, and I think it's a worthy conversation, regardless of this trial. That's all.
Just for discussion, and for understanding, is AJ not free to say, or suggest that the Sandy Hook shooting was staged? And again, I think that is absurd, and I realize it was hurtful to the families of the victims, and disgusting all the way around ... but does absurd, hurtful, and disgusting make it illlegal and beyond the bounds of free speech?
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Re: Not defending AJ in any way, nor am I questioning the
Oct 13, 2022, 9:35 AM
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I believe it is. If we let people spread lies like that we'd be murdering one another in the streets. I would have absolutely gone after Jones, personally.
I would urge you to watch the parents as the verdict was being read. They weren't celebrating. It should give you some idea of the level of distress and harm he inflicted on these people. They were just...gutted.
This was hard for me to watch. You can see how badly these people were destroyed by what Jones did.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vvn-y1IvL40
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I saw that, and I realize it was excruciating for those
Oct 13, 2022, 9:44 AM
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families, and if I understand you correctly, you are saying that speech should be limited if it causes that degree of pain? Or only if it's false and causes pain? What is the criteria?
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Not if it causes pain alone.
Oct 13, 2022, 9:50 AM
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But if you know something is a lie, see there are consequences to the lie*, and continue to push that lie -- yeah. That's fair game for civil suits.
*I do very much like the distinction between public and private figures set in Sullivan.
I have a buddy in Atlanta who currently is being digitally stalked by a former client with some clear mental issues, claiming he's a player in sex trafficking among other illegal activity. Should she be allowed to post these things without consequence, when it could potentially cost him business or tank it altogether?
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I can see in the case you described, that seems to me to be
Oct 13, 2022, 10:03 AM
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a clear case of libel. The lies were intended to damage your friend, and potentially his reputation, thus his buisness and livelihood. I think that's different. Saying "Yo mama is a ho" may cause some people tremendous pain. Is that prohibited? Not comparing that to what Jones did, just trying to figure out where the line is. People can sue for anything.
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People can sue for anything. And a successful defamation
Oct 13, 2022, 10:17 AM
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case is very difficult to achieve. What happened to Jones is a relative rarity, and is a reflection of just how bad what he did was.
But the reason it is so difficult is because we do have an incredibly broad freedom of speech in the U.S. And, it is less a line between free speech and defamation than a wall; one that is hard to climb. That's good.
Plus, nothing is prohibited. Jones was sued, not prosecuted. And, moreover, just because he was sued doesn't mean it would be successful, or if successful, that damages would be significant. It's believed that Sandman was successful in eliciting a settlement, but that he received nuisance money because establishing damages was going to be a futile effort for him.
This is good, too.
I'm neither qualified nor have the energy to break down the full nuances of defamation, but the two big elements are actual malice, and whether the speech represented a provable fact (not that it is true or false, but it is a "fact" not an opinion). "Yo mama is a ho" is an opinion, and mostly, in the common usage, a term of art. It is not a provable fact. If you said, "Yo mama is a ho who bangs underage boys," that is a provable fact.
Actual malice is knowing what you said is a lie, and you said it anyways because you wanted to do harm. If you reasonably suspect that someone's mom is banging kids, the mama would have a hard time proving actual malice. For instance, maybe she's got a reputation for being real handsy with boys when her milkshake brings them to the yard. She's probably made herself "defamation proof" on that issue (see Trump).
So, if Jones said Sandy Hook was a false flag and left it at that, I seriously doubt he would be on the hook for a billion dollars. Would Jones have reasonable suspicions to believe the government is behind a plot? It's ridiculous, but he'd be safe and his opinion protected because in addition to the lack of actual malice, it's not a provable fact. Nor does that opinion implicate the parents in the alleged rouse.
But he went after the parents directly, establishing they themselves were in on the hoax. It is a provable fact. They were private citizens, not public figures. And there is unquestionably damages associated with his speech.
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Thanks - as I said earlier, I have not followed this case
Oct 13, 2022, 10:26 AM
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very closely at all, and did not pretend to have a valid opinion one way or the other.
I did not realize that he had gone after the parents and accuse them of being in on the hoax. That is a key piece of information I was missing, and makes all of the difference in the world.
Also, I fully understand the difference between civil court and criminal court. No confusion for me there.
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Re: I saw that, and I realize it was excruciating for those
Oct 13, 2022, 10:04 AM
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Well, in this case, it's honestly just about the law.
The legal threshold for defamation is pretty high. You have to be able to prove that the person knowingly told a lie, and that the lie caused loss of reputation such that it caused life-altering consequences.
I actually think we're going to see more and more defamation cases, mostly because there's more and more platforms and they often aren't acting with prudence. Jones certainly wasn't. In the old days, "civility" happened because the only platforms were owned by three major networks in America - CBS/NBC/ABC - and their legal departments were well-aware of the legal consequences of committing perjury, and made certain they curated their content and presentation to avoid legal exposure.
Then along came the Internet, and anybody with a webcam could suddenly call themselves a journalist, and as always, there was a race to the bottom as every shock-jock cretin with a microphone realized that scum sold. And prudence and civility went right out the window, and defamation started happening en masse. It's really been a product of the last decade. Jones really broke with this Sandy Hook stuff in about 2013-2014. The legal system is just now starting to catch onto this but the legal backlash is assuredly coming. But the laws against defamation have always been the same:
https://www.kppblaw.com/what-are-the-5-elements-of-defamation/
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Re: I saw that, and I realize it was excruciating for those
Oct 13, 2022, 10:05 AM
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EDIT: Sorry, meant "committing defamation", not perjury. Slow down, quoz. Sorry.
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Re: It doesn't bother me one bit to see an idiot like Alex Jones
Oct 13, 2022, 8:23 AM
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This wasn't a "government truth squad", though.
It was a defamation trial, and that was a jury of We The People who didn't just convict Jones and throw the book at him, they then picked the book back up and all took turns whumping him with it some more, they were that peeved at him.
Which was a just result in this case, IMHO. The next result should be judged on its own merits.
Justice happens one case at a time, or it's useless.
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I don't disagree.***
Oct 13, 2022, 8:51 AM
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Re: Nice to see some degree of justice for Alex Jones...
Oct 13, 2022, 8:25 AM
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Aww! Give it up!
Jones is not even breaking a sweat. $965 million is an unrealistic joke ... and it will be appealed. If it gets to the SCOTUS, the verdicts ... and the crazy awards ... will be struck down on the basis of FOS, just like the baker who wouldn't bake a cake celebrating a same-sex marriage.
What were the jurors thinking? If the total reward had been, say $25 million, after the ho's got their 30% share, the plaintiffs could have gotten about $1 million each, and Jones's insurance probably would have paid out just to make the whole matter go away. Very stupid jurors!
Speaking of ho's, is there one human being on the planet who has not heard about the Camp Lejeune set-aside? GOD! Please stop these commercials!
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Re: Nice to see some degree of justice for Alex Jones...
Oct 13, 2022, 8:30 AM
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You think there will be any sympathy out there for Jones?
Who would overturn this judgment? I very much doubt he's going to get any kind of relief on appeal. Not many judges will willingly burn their own credibility on a cretin like Jones.
Also, the Supreme Court wouldn't touch this one with a fork. You think they're unpopular and people are questioning their legitimacy now....
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Re: Nice to see some degree of justice for Alex Jones...
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Speaking of ho's, is there one human being on the planet who has not heard about the Camp Lejeune set-aside? GOD! Please stop these commercials!
I gave you a TU just for this line. Yes, Jesus, please make it stop.
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Re: Nice to see some degree of justice for Alex Jones...
Oct 13, 2022, 8:44 AM
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"If the total reward had been, say $25 million, after the ho's got their 30% share, the plaintiffs could have gotten about $1 million each, and Jones's insurance probably would have paid out just to make the whole matter go away."
I do kinda agree with this small part of your post. I could see the plaintiffs receiving this and it being done with.
No way Jones doesn't file appeal after appeal and it drag on for years before anyone sees a dime.
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I didn't see the breakdown of the awards, but I'm assuming
Oct 13, 2022, 9:02 AM
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the bulk of the ratio is on the punitive side, which is intended to be severe if the actions are so reprehensible they warrant such a crushing punishment to deter their continuance. And, they likely would not have been so high if Jones didn't spend the entirety of the trial dragging the court, judge, and jury as "fake."
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The plaintiffs will immediatly offer to reduce the amount
Oct 13, 2022, 10:25 AM
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to around 100 million or so, they know 1 billion won't stick on appeal and they won't be able to collect anyway.
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Why would the plaintiffs offer to reduce the amount?
Oct 13, 2022, 10:27 AM
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If they think they'll get $100 million, they'd still be getting that with a judgement of $1 billion.
Jones is going to fight them whether it is $1 or $1 billion. The only way this gets knocked down is on appeal, and I highly doubt that happens due to Jones' behavior throughout the trial.
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Re: Why would the plaintiffs offer to reduce the amount?
Oct 13, 2022, 10:47 AM
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Those parents are not about to reduce the amount and "settle." Ever.
I don't know where people get that. Nor do I see any divine power springing into action and magically waving a magic wand to reduce Jones' liability on appeal. The jury had the power to rule; it did so, and there would have to be some inherent process error - and it would have to be egregious - for a judge to reverse their judgment. This case is massively politically charged, no judge is going to want to go near it.
People screaming "the damages were excessive!" are missing the point. What Jones did was excessive. And not only did he show absolutely no remorse, he called the whole proceeding a "kangaroo court" and literally livestreamed himself in realtime mocking the judgement and the families as it happened, just to aggressively show he has no respect for the legal system, and no remorse whatsoever about what he did.
And people think the legal system is now going to step in and save him? I, uhm, do not agree.
The families won't get a billion, certainly, because Jones definitely doesn't have that, but they'll get every penny he owns in the end, too, and if Jones tries to cheat or buck the process he's going to wind up in jail for perjury, contempt, or fraud...or considering the judgment Jones has shown thus far, all three. His obvious attempts to hide his own assets are not going to go over well.
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Besides, now that the judgements are in, the rest is on
Oct 13, 2022, 10:55 AM
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autopilot with their legal teams in pursuing the awards. I am sure some of those parents would have no issue with Jones spending the rest of his waking life fighting those judgements even if they never see a penny of it.
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That's just what lawyers do in similar cases
Oct 13, 2022, 4:53 PM
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To keep it out of appeals court if they can. Lawyers don't like to lose, they like to settle so that they can claim they won.
I'm sure they think that their reputation is worth a billion dollars, but it isn't. If there pain or lives are worth a billion then people would have a billion dollars in insurance money.
Some people only keep minimum liability on their cars others may only have a 1 million umbrella or maybe 2 million, but I doubt you will find many insurance companies that will give you more than 5 million and none would give you a billion. Same with general liability insurance.
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