Re: Never thought I'd say this, but I feel bad for Ivanka!

The 1/6 Committee sent an interesting letter to Ivanka yesterday. You can find it online if you wish but I thought the part on page 2 was most interesting. As January 6th approached, President Trump attempted on multiple occasions to persuade Vice President Pence to participate in his plan. The panel wrote that Keith Kellogg -- Pence's national security adviser who was with Trump in the White House when the riot was happening -- testified about how the former President attempted to coerce Pence during a phone call the morning of January 6. Ivanka Trump was present for Trump's end of the call. In testimony to the committee, Kellogg reiterated that the former President told Pence, "You're not tough enough to make the call." "Mike, it's not right. You can do this. I'm counting on you to do it. If you don't do it, I picked the wrong man four years ago. You're going to wimp out," read the transcript of the interview that Kellogg confirmed.

Kellogg also revealed in his testimony to the committee that after the phone call ended, Ivanka Trump turned to him and said, "Mike Pence is a good man," to which Kellogg affirmed, "Yes, he is." Wow, to put your daughter in that situation where she knows the true villain is her dad. And then he would not listen to her later in the day about calling off the attack. And then you have the regular Trump business stuff in NYC where she is implicated in the alleged wrongdoing on the overvaluation of their assets. I wonder how much she really had to do with that?

Of course, there is this also this ...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DP7yf8-Lk80

So, yep, there a'int enough money in the world that would make it worth having to deal with this INSANITY. Anyway, flame away Trumpers.

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Jan 21, 2022, 9:24 AM

I do not feel bad for Ivanka. Those family members who have spoken out, like Mary Trump, and those close to the family, say Ivanka is a mini-Trump and the most like her father in his narcissism and selfishness and immorality of any of them. Among other things, she owned a sweat shop in Indonesia for her fashion line that was awful even by Asian standards.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jun/13/revealed-reality-of-a-life-working-in-an-ivanka-trump-clothing-factory

Revealed: reality of life working in an Ivanka Trump clothing factory

Workers complain of verbal abuse, impossible targets and ‘poverty pay’ so bad they have to live away from their children

I do think the fundamental difference between Ivanka and her father, though, is in their relationship with society. It has been commented more than once that Donald is a "poor man's idea of what a rich man looks like." He's a clod. Uncultured, coarse, brash, utterly disruptive and indifferent to social niceties and graces. He's a bull in a China shop, an outsider, the virtual definition of "new money" even though he inherited millions from his own father. He spent years searching for validation and acceptance into New York society, never achieved it, and late in life seems determined to burn it all down in retaliation.

Ivanka is the complete opposite in that regard. She's a Society princess, who has achieved the social mastery that her father always obviously craved. She's cultured, graceful, painstakingly manicured, an almost idealized (if manufactured) beauty, utterly at ease in any social situation and innately dominant in any social hierarchy. And she's calculating. She doesn't want to burn the world down because she owns it and dominates it. Whereas her father's root reflex is to smash everything, she goes completely the opposite way. She doesn't like messes.

You can also see the man she married is not much like her father in that regard either. Jared Kushner is a whole lot more like her than he is like Donald.

That peasant revolt Donald started in the Capitol would have been repugnant to her. It was...messy. On the other hand, she's a calculating social climber and is clearly is not willing to stray too far from her father's graces, either, because it creates business opportunities and access for her. So she absolutely will not testify against her father until he's outlived his usefulness to her.

Her and Jared do crave acceptance back into high cultured society, though, and they've found themselves increasingly unwelcome in the old New York society circles where they used to live. Mary Trump thinks Ivanka's the most likely of any of the children to turn and turn publicly on her father eventually, for exactly that reason. It's a way back in, for them. But they're going to profit as much as they can first.

I think it's coming, eventually. But now is almost certainly not the time. She won't cooperate, not now.

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Never thought I'd say this, but I feel bad for Ivanka!

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