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Nancee State. Still Somewhat a Mystery to me.
Sep 26, 2022, 1:37 PM
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Seen a lot of people post how N.C.State is the best team we've played in a few years and based on their returning starters; that may be so.
But, I am not going to sit here and say the same thing. Zero for them is very impressive! The QB Leary is good and calm under pressure.
But.
They have played 1 game away from Carter-Finley and they probably should have lost that one. The best team they have played is Texas Tech who they beat 27-14. Texas Tech gave them some absolute gifts in that game though; so watch the game 100% before being overly impressed. Since some people will do SEC math and go: TT beat Texas and Texas pushed Alabama so therefore they must be pretty good, LOL! < - - - - kind of silly; but some people do that.
Leary had 121 yards in that game vs. the Red Raiders. Thayer Thomas is a WR but has thrown 3 or 4 career TD's and he threw one against the red raiders on a trick play.
As the title of this thread says, "I don't know exactly how good they are"! I know they have an experienced team that needed OT to beat Clemson when we were reeling last year "at their place"!
I know, they struggled to win(East Carolina I believe missed a fg or they would have lost I believe) on the road.
They miss Emeka Emezie and Ikkie Ekwonu a lot and the dudes that took their place aren't as good at this point in their career.
Nancy doesn't run a slow mesh offense like Wake and even if they did their WR's don't scare me like the WR's Wake had done. They are more conventional on offense - which is going to be a bad thing for them. Especially given the fact our defense will want to come out and show the country they still are a top unit in college football.
In short, even at their place last year with a loaded team we still had a chance to win that game! I think we are better and they are "the same" as last year! ---> my thoughts not the law < - - - - We will find out soon enough won't we.
Nancy has played East Carolina on the road and struggled to win 21-20. Charleston Southern 55-3, Texas Tech 27-14 and last weekend UCONN 41-10. You can critique our schedule like that until you get to Wake. GT is also, at least a conference game that we played "ON THE ROAD" on a Monday night.
Far more fires so far for the Tigers at the least i.m.o. It's hard to gauge how good they are exactly; but I'm not overly "wowed" by them! Is all I am saying!
https://www.espn.com/college-football/team/schedule/_/id/152
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Don't leave hate out of the equation.
Sep 26, 2022, 1:44 PM
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Nancy's Tate hates us.
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Re: Nancee State. Still Somewhat a Mystery to me.
Sep 26, 2022, 1:45 PM
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Hillrock, based on just about every team's schedules thus far, it's hard to be impressed. Most of the power fives have played cupcakes at home. The conference games will be more telling.
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Re: Nancee State. Still Somewhat a Mystery to me.
Sep 26, 2022, 2:03 PM
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ddclemson I get that and you are correct.
My thing is adversity faced to date I think you would have to give the edge to Clemson.
1. Two Road games including 1 against a ranked opponent. The other was against a conference opponent on a Monday night where they had all off-season to focus on you.
2. The one road game nancy's tate had they struggled in. If they had trouble communicating in Greenville, NC wait until they come to Clemson, SC in other words.
But, like I said, "it's hard to tell"! I have to give them credit for beating TT after looking through it. Texas Tech had beaten ranked Houston and they also beat ranked Texas.
They were put in a great position by their defense in that game and had a defensive TD and another trick play TD( which I know all count ). But, we'll see, won't we. I just think the narrative around Clemson would be different if we had basically been lucky to have one our one and an only road game against a team that has been below average for years in East Carolina. Rivalry game maybe you give them a pass. The other cupcakes are just like most teams as you said - you can't judge much by. But, against a decent defense in TT Leary has only 121 yards and their top rusher had 53 yards.
Just saying; I don't think that bodes well for them.
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By all accounts, last year was a down year for Clemson...
Sep 26, 2022, 1:49 PM
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and Nancy State still needed OT (even after running 96 plays to Clemson's 49) to beat Clemson in Raleigh, and they got a good bit of help from Clemson in so doing (i.e., three turnovers, a few starters out with injuries) not to mention a couple of bad calls that went against Clemson. The final play in the end zone was a PI on Nancy State
As a reminder, Nancy State has lost 8 of the last 9 meetings and 15 of the last 17 meetings to the Tigers. There is a reason for that.
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Re: Nancee State. Still Somewhat a Mystery to me.
Sep 26, 2022, 1:59 PM
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TT seems to be a pretty good team having beaten Texas on Saturday, who should have beaten ALA. I think Saturday will be our toughest game so far and might even be the toughest one in our regular season when it all plays out.
TT plays Kansas State this week so the 2 teams who upset TX and OK last weekend should be a fun game.
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TT turned the ball over four times...
Sep 26, 2022, 2:05 PM
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but still outgained the WussPack 353 to 270. They also turned the ball over on downs inside their own 35 yard line which gave Nancy State an easy score.
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Re: TT turned the ball over four times...
Sep 26, 2022, 2:12 PM
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The TT QB had more passing touchdowns for NCSU than Leary....
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Re: TT turned the ball over four times...
Sep 26, 2022, 2:18 PM
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but still outgained the WussPack 353 to 270. They also turned the ball over on downs inside their own 35 yard line which gave Nancy State an easy score.
Texas Tech gained 105 yards the last several minutes in garbage time while State was trying to run the clock out and playing prevent on defense and letting TT get chunks of yards. State shut TT down and could have won by 4 scores but shot themselves as much as TT shot themselves
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Re: TT turned the ball over four times...
Sep 26, 2022, 2:49 PM
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but still outgained the WussPack 353 to 270. They also turned the ball over on downs inside their own 35 yard line which gave Nancy State an easy score.
BigCUFan® Exactly! That's what I saw too.
Without the fortuitous turnovers, we are talking about an entirely different outcome for that game. They even resorted to a trick play from their WR. This is something he has done multiple times; so our defense will have to be on alert for that and stay disciplined in coverage.
Again though, this game was at home in the friendly confines of C-F-Stadium. They almost didn't survive their one-road game so far against an average team. Clemson is well above average and I think we show CFB we are back in a big way Saturday.
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Re: TT turned the ball over four times...
Sep 26, 2022, 5:15 PM
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I am cautiously optimistic about the Tigers game against NC State. I still worry about the offensive play calling and State's defense is likely to be better than Wake's. Not a worried about the Tiger defense if the starters in the defensive backfield are back in the lineup. Also hoping our punter can sort himself out...
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Re: TT turned the ball over four times...
Sep 26, 2022, 5:40 PM
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Wake had a bunch of starters back as well; which is why they are still ranked even after a loss. Their defense is senior-laden/experienced.
But, I wish every game was looked at with this much anxiety. I think given that Nastee Taint in their hearts/minds knowing they caught Clemson when they were down will play a factor. Doubt will set in. Especially if Clemson gets up early! Anybody who saw Clemson early last year could tell you it was going to be a struggle going in. I am not of that mindset now!
Not just because of the performance vs. Wake - but also because it takes a few games to get settled. This is their 1st conference game versus our 3rd. Including of course against a ranked opponent.
We'll see.
Clemson would have to help them in my opinion for Nastee Taint to win!
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This one will be huge for our division.
Sep 26, 2022, 2:08 PM
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even tho FSU is still a contender as well. Gotta have this game.
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Re: Nancee State. Still Somewhat a Mystery to me.
Sep 26, 2022, 3:26 PM
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I think we are better and they are "the same" as last year! ---> my thoughts not the law < - - - - We will find out soon enough won't we.
I do not agree with this. I am fairly certain we _will_ be better, but to date, I don’t think you can say that. The offense has been much better, but the defense has been much worse. Assuming we get a few of the DBs back this weekend, I think we will be improved, if not much improved, over Sat, but that is just conjecture.
Your final line here is soon on, though. We will find out soon.
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Re: Nancee State. Still Somewhat a Mystery to me.
Sep 26, 2022, 4:31 PM
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TigerByWater
Please note: "I did state in the line you quoted - it's just one fan's opinion"!
1. I can give you my reasoning if that helps though: looking at the fact we have already played two conference games versus this being their 1st.
2. Their one-road game - they struggled to win against a team that wasn't ranked in the top 25 in the country. Remember, Wake beat State last year, not the other way around. Wake also had a bunch of starters back and an offensive system that's hard to simulate. Nastee Taint doesn't have that.
3. The game versus Texas Tech was defined more by Texas Tech errors than what Nastee Taint did! I give them credit and am glad they won that game though.
4. Emeka Emezie and Ikki Ekwonu were huge factors in their run last year! They are gone.
5. It took some very fortuitous plays for them to beat the Tigers at Carter-Finley last year and even with all our adversity - we had a chance to win that game. I.E. in their best year in probably decades, they needed Clemson to be a shell of itself to get the win.
There is more - but just to name a few as to why I typed that and mean it! I respect your right to disagree!
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Re: Nancee State. Still Somewhat a Mystery to me.
Sep 26, 2022, 5:49 PM
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HRT, I wasn’t disagreeing with the totality of your post, only that I don’t think we are better, or more accurately that we have been better. In actuality, I think you were generous to say NCSt is about the same. What they have put on film I would say has been a little worse - for many of the reasons you detailed.
At the moment, I think to say we are better is a projection. We are indisputably better on offense. At the same time, we have been indisputably worse on defense. The defensive starters may all return Sat and we might concede 10 points and win by 28. That is certainly possible. It is also possible we continue to defend as we have pretty much all season and give up 300+ in the air, making this game a too close for comfort affair. We will just have to wait and see.
My guess is it will be somewhere in the middle. Our defense will be significantly better than this past weekend, but still far from elite, while the offense continues to play well and we win by 7-10.
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Re: Nancee State. Still Somewhat a Mystery to me.
Sep 26, 2022, 5:51 PM
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+1 TigerByWater
I can get with that. Makes sense!
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Please Refer To Them As NASTEE TAINT***
Sep 26, 2022, 3:31 PM
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Re: Please Refer To Them As NASTEE TAINT***
Sep 26, 2022, 4:22 PM
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morbidtiger® LOL! Got it! It is a very fitting name I must admit for that crowd.
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Re: Nancee State. Still Somewhat a Mystery to me.
Sep 26, 2022, 4:35 PM
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Agreed. The Wake game was good for us and I'm glad we played it BEFORE State.
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Re: Nancee State. Still Somewhat a Mystery to me.
Sep 26, 2022, 4:51 PM
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I know teams get better including Clemson(people forget that doesn't just apply to the opposing team). So, yes Nastee Taint might be better now than they were against ECU; but they were gifted that win. The QB for ECU also outplayed Leary in this game ending with 2 TD passes and 267 yards (but 2 int's) compared to 211 1 td and 1 int.
Note still: they are good enough that I can't do something crazy like guarantee a win. All I am saying is, "I think if Clemson doesn't beat Clemson we blast Nastee Taint"! Simple! If we gift them with penalty yards and turnovers they are good enough to beat us!
https://www.espn.com/watch/player/_/id/34517043
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Going into Wake Forrest. 14.3 PPG by D given up
Sep 26, 2022, 6:16 PM
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Lots of post about basically overhauling the whole thing! Getting Wes out of there(not many but some are questioning him pretty hard).
My thing about that is: "not every team runs an offense as unique as Wake's and it's not something you can have your scout team simulate"! Much of the reason some of those service academies often give much better teams fits and almost beat them. You can't prepare for it!
The defense game up 10 and then 12 points through the 1st two games averaging giving up 11 ppg. Furman got a bunch of yards because of the screen game. Wes admitted to not adjusting to that sooner, but again there was no film on Furman as they had a new OC.
La Tech has an Air Raid coach who is going to move the ball they scored 20 pts - yes! But, how were our rotations in those games prior to Wake? How many young players saw action? In fact, they tightened the game up a little too much and the starters came back in and extended the lead for good!
If people aren't considering that - I don't know how much football they have seen in their lives. Playing backups the way Dabo and staff does isn't what a lot of other programs do. They leave their starters in and pound teams! Look at the box score at the 1st 3 games and see how many players played.
Against Wake, it tightened up, but you have to against an offense that is so unique and senior-laden. Accurate QB plus dynamic WRs = explosive offense. They also boast the most experienced OL in all of college football.
Think about playing the option all those years before BV arrived and how much trouble it gave us! "Fits"! Because you can't simulate it! I think with a tightened rotation plus the embarrassment of last week plus playing a more conventional offense we are going to see a dominant defensive effort.
I would be disappointed if anything else happens.
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